UK general election 2019, voting day today (prediction thread, news, whatever)

[fskimospy]

It's already been debunked that Republicans are "far far right". In fact, it's just the opposite - Democrats have moved to the extreme left. Maybe you are viewing everyone who doesn't agree with you as "right wing nuts"? Ever consider that? Read the Pew study that shows what reality is:
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/pew-research-center-study-shows-that-democrats-have-shifted-to-the-extreme-left/
"This can be seen in dramatic fashion when you look at where the center of each party was in 1994, and where it is today. Pew used a 10-item scale of political values to determine ideological purity among those who claim affiliation with the two parties. The results show that while the Republican center moved only slightly to the right over the past 23 years, the center of Democratic part shifted far to the left. "

Lol, IBD editorial. Yes though, let’s consult actual empirical research and see who has moved where:

https://legacy.voteview.com/images/png/house_party_means_1879-2015.png

As anyone with eyeballs can see Republicans have become incredibly radicalized over the last four decades. One thing that is interesting in the last few years though is they have become a bit more economically moderate in rhetoric as they have shifted to a white nationalist grievance party under Trump.

Please note they haven’t become any more moderate in POLICY, as shown by Trump’s giant tax cut for rich people that raised taxes long term on the middle class, but now they at least pretend better.

 

[SP33Demon]

I thought those were ivory tower leftists? Do you trust them now? Or only when convenient?

I don't trust them, but the point is that you do. The Left's own Gods have warned them and yet they're still too stupid to put down the netflix, video games, pr0n, etc (hedonism) to reproduce and actually sacrifice for once in their lives. Go look up what Teddy Roosevelt said about people who don't have kids when they have the resources to raise do it. Words like traitors and prostitutes are spoken.

 

[brycejones]

Lol, IBD editorial. Yes though, let’s consult actual empirical research and see who has moved where:

https://legacy.voteview.com/images/png/house_party_means_1879-2015.png

As anyone with eyeballs can see Republicans have become incredibly radicalized over the last four decades. One thing that is interesting in the last few years though is they have become a bit more economically moderate in rhetoric as they have shifted to a white nationalist grievance party under Trump.

Please note they haven’t become any more moderate in POLICY, as shown by Trump’s giant tax cut for rich people that raised taxes long term on the middle class, but now they at least pretend better.

speedy will quote zerohedge next.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don't trust them, but the point is that you do. The Left's own Gods have warned them and yet they're still too stupid to put down the netflix, video games, pr0n, etc (hedonism) to reproduce and actually sacrifice for once in their lives. Go look up what Teddy Roosevelt said about people who don't have kids when they have the resources to raise do it. Words like traitors and prostitutes are spoken.

If you don't trust them, why would you use them as a source to prove your point? That's completely illogical.

Oh and I'm atheist, so that's not really applicable. You consider entertainment to be hedonism? Aren't you partaking in hedonistic tendencies by even being here? You clearly enjoy it.

 

[SP33Demon]

Lol, IBD editorial. Yes though, let’s consult actual empirical research and see who has moved where:

https://legacy.voteview.com/images/png/house_party_means_1879-2015.png

As anyone with eyeballs can see Republicans have become incredibly radicalized over the last four decades. One thing that is interesting in the last few years though is they have become a bit more economically moderate in rhetoric as they have shifted to a white nationalist grievance party under Trump.

Please note they haven’t become any more moderate in POLICY, as shown by Trump’s giant tax cut for rich people that raised taxes long term on the middle class, but now they at least pretend better.

Yes, slam "IBD" when they're quoting Pew. Do you have a problem with Pew because we can bring up hundreds of your posts quoting Pew studies. Sorry bro, Pew shows the left has shifted DRAMATICALLY and the result is Trump and Boris. Democrats created this mess and they're not reproducing fast enough to get out of it. Illegal immigration ain't gonna save you.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/05162647/10-05-2017-Political-landscape-release.pdf

 

[fskimospy]

Trump wasn't the catalyst for the Dems' small House win in 2018, it was actually moderates. Just as it was in Virginia. Guess which party is promising free healthcare to illegals? Trump is salivating to pound them on this blatant, communistic misstep that goes directly against America First. Moderates will punish them appropriately at the polls. Democrats are blatantly stupid for saying that publicly.

Not into weightlifting as much since I got a family to care for. Family > everything. Though I did just finish my home gym and set up bands the other day. I'm working on having more kids.

Wrong again. About 2/3rds of people said Trump influenced their desire to vote and those broke very strongly against him. It led to one of the largest popular vote landslides in modern times. Even worse for Trump is Republicans can’t blame low turnout for the defeat. It looked a lot like a presidential election in terms of turnout and it was a blowout.

Exit polls show Trump a major factor in 2018 midterm election voting

Nearly two-thirds of voters said President Trump was a factor in their vote, and a majority do not approve of his job performance

www.cbsnews.com

Even worse for Trump the percentage of Americans who say they ‘strongly disapprove’ of him is often close to double that of those who say they strongly approve. It’s not just that Trump is unpopular, it’s that the majority of America that dislikes him absolutely loathes him.

It’s always funny to see what people in the Trump bubble have convinced themselves of to explain away his failures.

 

[SP33Demon]

If you don't trust them, why would you use them as a source to prove your point? That's completely illogical.

Oh and I'm atheist, so that's not really applicable. You consider entertainment to be hedonism? Aren't you partaking in hedonistic tendencies by even being here? You clearly enjoy it.

I pop in every now and then, sure. But I don't spend my life online debating in an echo chamber. I'm mainly here to rebuke your party's (assuming you're a leftist) poisonous hedonistic ideals and tell you told-you-so when the people wake up. Britain has been awake since the first time they wanted Brexit. America has been awake since 2016.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I pop in every now and then, sure. But I don't spend my life online debating in an echo chamber. I'm mainly here to rebuke your party's (assuming you're a leftist) poisonous hedonistic ideals and tell you told-you-so when the people wake up. Britain has been awake since the first time they wanted Brexit. America has been awake since 2016.

You shouldn't assume things, and you're really concerning me with your basically non-stop mental stream concerned with reproduction and 'hedonism'. I feel sorry for you.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, slam "IBD" when they're quoting Pew. Do you have a problem with Pew because we can bring up hundreds of your posts quoting Pew studies. Sorry bro, Pew shows the left has shifted DRAMATICALLY and the result is Trump and Boris. Democrats created this mess and they're not reproducing fast enough to get out of it. Illegal immigration ain't gonna save you.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/05162647/10-05-2017-Political-landscape-release.pdf

They are not quoting Pew, they are putting their own interpretation on Pew’s results and to put it charitably their interpretation is creative.

IBD editorials are there to make conservatives feel better emotionally. That’s it. I’m sure you know they are lying to you the same as anyone else but I guess so long as it makes you feel better that’s fine.

All that being said how do you feel about my empirical, peer reviewed evidence of how Republicans are the ones who have become more radical? Let me guess, it doesn’t count because reasons.

 

[IronWing]

What's an Irish nationalist to do? On one hand, Brexit is really bad policy for western democracy. On the other, it might precipitate Irish unification. Of course, more likely it will trigger renewed violence in Ulster. I'm glad the deft hand of Boris Johnson is on the rudder.

 

[cytg111]

And the fascism comes out. So you want to grant special privileges to certain age groups because of... their age? Get real.

First. Fascism doesnt mean what you think it does. Actually I dont know what you think facsism means, but I know its not the definition the rest of the world uses ... well perhaps minus you and trump.
Read a book. Turn off Fox and read a book (even Triggered, anything will be an improvement).

But yea! Indeed thats what I want... and dig big empty holes in the ground.. you know, for purposes, who knows when you are going to need big deep wide holes in the ground. Just in case. And barbed wire. And some processing plants.
On an unrelated note, what was your personal security number again? - (Its for the lottery.)

/JOKING. so easily triggered, jeeebus.

 

[SP33Demon]

Wrong again. About 2/3rds of people said Trump influenced their desire to vote and those broke very strongly against him. It led to one of the largest popular vote landslides in modern times. Even worse for Trump is Republicans can’t blame low turnout for the defeat. It looked a lot like a presidential election in terms of turnout and it was a blowout.

Exit polls show Trump a major factor in 2018 midterm election voting

Nearly two-thirds of voters said President Trump was a factor in their vote, and a majority do not approve of his job performance

www.cbsnews.com

Even worse for Trump the percentage of Americans who say they ‘strongly disapprove’ of him is often close to double that of those who say they strongly approve. It’s not just that Trump is unpopular, it’s that the majority of America that dislikes him absolutely loathes him.

It’s always funny to see what people in the Trump bubble have convinced themselves of to explain away his failures.

Disapproval had very little to do with Trump if you look at who actually won in 2018 and Virginia and KY. It was centrists, CBS is brainwashing you with their "CBS Exit Poll" because that's what they want you to think. Do not believe it, look at the data of what the winners' platforms actually are. Centrism wins, not Orange Man Bad.

Centrist Democrats seize on state election wins to rail against Warren’s agenda

A group of Senate Democrats are arguing that big wins in state and local elections this week show why the party needs to nominate a moderate.

thehill.com

Virginia is a harbinger of what's to come:
<<"Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), who is up for reelection next year, said the candidates who won “ran on more moderate issues” and emphasized a “Virginia-centric” platform.

He said he was not aware of any winners touting universal health coverage, for example.

Warner added the success of centrists this past week is part of a larger trend in Virginia, where candidates who run on centrist, fiscally responsible platforms do well.

“This is not just a message to come from 2019,” he said, noting that when Virginia Democrats picked up 15 seats in 2017 “there was arguably one, maybe two candidates that were super progressive.”
>>

Run a moderate and appeal to centrists like Biden does and Dems have a small chance. Run Warren or Sanders? It's over.

 

[SP33Demon]

First. Fascism doesnt mean what you think it does. Actually I dont know what you think facsism means, but I know its not the definition the rest of the world uses ... well perhaps minus you and trump.
Read a book. Turn off Fox and read a book (even Triggered, anything will be an improvement).

But yea! Indeed thats what I want... and dig big empty holes in the ground.. you know, for purposes, who knows when you are going to need big deep wide holes in the ground. Just in case. And barbed wire. And some processing plants.
On an unrelated note, what was your personal security number again? - (Its for the lottery.)

/JOKING. so easily triggered, jeeebus.

Yes, please enlighten us on the definition of fascism please. I'll save you some time:
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

And you want to suppress opposition based on age, we get it.

 

[fskimospy]

Disapproval had very little to do with Trump if you look at who actually won in 2018 and Virginia and KY. It was centrists, CBS is brainwashing you with their "CBS Exit Poll" because that's what they want you to think. Do not believe it, look at the data of what the winners' platforms actually are. Centrism wins, not Orange Man Bad.

Centrist Democrats seize on state election wins to rail against Warren’s agenda

A group of Senate Democrats are arguing that big wins in state and local elections this week show why the party needs to nominate a moderate.

thehill.com

Virginia is a harbinger of what's to come:
<<"Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), who is up for reelection next year, said the candidates who won “ran on more moderate issues” and emphasized a “Virginia-centric” platform.

He said he was not aware of any winners touting universal health coverage, for example.

Warner added the success of centrists this past week is part of a larger trend in Virginia, where candidates who run on centrist, fiscally responsible platforms do well.

“This is not just a message to come from 2019,” he said, noting that when Virginia Democrats picked up 15 seats in 2017 “there was arguably one, maybe two candidates that were super progressive.”
>>

Run a moderate and appeal to centrists like Biden does and Dems have a small chance. Run Warren or Sanders? It's over.

Haha the guy who just quoted a public opinion poll as support for his opinion now says not to believe public opinion polls. If you don’t want to believe it that’s up to you. Honestly I hope you guys don’t believe it because that means you will lose again.

There is no need for Democrats to focus on Trump because everyone has already made up their mind on him and overall people dislike him....a lot. The thing is they hate his policies too, so that’s just a bonus. If I were a Democrat I would open every speech by reminding the public that the first thing Trump tried to do in office was take away your health care in order to give money to rich people.

 

[cytg111]

Run a moderate and appeal to centrists like Biden does and Dems have a small chance. Run Warren or Sanders? It's over.

Cause will of the people or will of Rupert Murdoch?

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, please enlighten us on the definition of fascism please. I'll save you some time:
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

And you want to suppress opposition based on age, we get it.

So wait did you mean fascist as a compliment then? After all you support a guy who says the Constitution lets him do whatever he wants.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

There is no need for Democrats to focus on Trump because everyone has already made up their mind on him and overall people dislike him....a lot. The thing is they hate his policies too, so that’s just a bonus. If I were a Democrat I would open every speech by reminding the public that the first thing Trump tried to do in office was take away your health care in order to give money to rich people.

Yup. I'd run the same thing, over and over and over again. Everyone's starting to give a damn about healthcare, even entrenched Republicans, which is fantastic.

Also worth pointing out, Trump barely squeaked by on the 2016 election, and his numbers have dropped a *lot* since then. People are taking note of the fact he isn't getting a goddamned thing done.

The worst part of this whole thing is that the economy will probably bottom out right around the the 2020 election, so the Republicans will get to crow again about how bad the economy is under a Democrat, as the new D president has to recover the whole damned thing, yet again.

 

[Luna1968]

The socialist Brits aren’t taking this well.

and neither are the socialist in this thread. a thread about the election in the UK had been derailed to be all about trump. SMH.

 

[cytg111]

Yes, please enlighten us on the definition of fascism please. I'll save you some time:
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

And you want to suppress opposition based on age, we get it.

OR it would be like opening your border to, say, Afghanistan and say, hey, you guys not liking islamic sharia taliban rule, you could come hang out with us sane people.
Dude, your reading buds are busted. Even your cherry picked one liner doesnt apply.

 

[cytg111]

The youth of UK could simple move to Scottland .. Scottland will be EU shortly.

 

[SP33Demon]

European stocks hit record highs after US-China trade deal, UK election

• Global stocks surged to all-time highs Friday after US President Donald Trump offered to scrap tariffs on Chinese goods set to go live Sunday and slash existing tariffs.
• On Thursday, Boris Johnson's Conservatives delivered a landslide victory in Britain's general election that paved the way for Brexit.
• Britain's FTSE 250 hit a new high Friday, and the Euro Stoxx 600 soared to a record as well, while futures signaled the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq would rally from record levels.
• Domestic-focused UK stocks including Royal Bank of Scotland, Lloyds Banking Group, and easyJet rallied by 10% or more.
• "Some investors will see today as Christmas come early, as we see a convergence of two critical political risks coming to some resolve," one economist said.

Global stocks and the pound soar as euphoric traders cheer a US-China trade deal and a landslide UK election result

Britain's FTSE 250 hit a new high on Friday, and Europe's Stoxx 600 broke its intraday record. The pound held onto big gains. US futures are set to rally.

markets.businessinsider.com

Holy crap, I bet the Dow will hit another record high today. I'm 90% S&P, can't wait to cash out some of this haul today! Thank you Trump and Boris!

 

[fskimospy]

It does seem to be a significant possibility that this election leads to the dissolution of the U.K., which is kind of amazing when you think about it.

Looks like there’s a good chance that the UK Boomer generation ends their run of unprecedented selfishness by overseeing the demolition of their own country that’s existed for centuries. Kind of a fitting end.

 

[Greenman]

The polls before the election were all pointing to a Tory win, and so it seems. I'm not surprised.

Seems the Lib Dems did badly as well - Swinson lost her seat (can't say I'm sad about that - treacherous splitter).

It's not just a defeat for Labour but for the 'remain' cause as a whole. Brexit looks pretty certain now. The Tory party itself has been purged of dissent and stuffed full of hard right Brexiters. The Lib Dems 'cancel Brexit' policy didn't do them any good at all.

And at first glance it's looking as if it was a pro-Brexit vote that did for Labour - being in favour of a second referendum cost them badly. Rather than Corbyn being insufficiently pro-remain, it would have gone better if he'd openly been pro-leave. Kind of weird given the country is fairly evenly split, but I suppose it's the way the Brexit issue intereacted with all the other political divisions, and the geographical spread of support. The 'remain' vote was split every-which-way.

Well, the slow march to Putinism continues.

Is it generally accepted that this was a brexit referendum? Or will there still be calls for another vote?

 

[IronWing]

What's the Tory plan for healthcare? Are they going the American route with socialized medicine for seniors and a free market shark tank for productive citizens? Is everybody getting dumped on the free market?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What's the Tory plan for healthcare? Are they going the American route with socialized medicine for seniors and a free market shark tank for productive citizens? Is everybody getting dumped on the free market?

Decimation, every group of 10 people will be expected to beat the sickest among them to death.