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UFC 117: SILVA vs Sonnen 8/7/10 @10pm EST

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That looked like a tap to me. It was more like a tap, and silva let go but Sonen all of a sudden wanted to fight again.

Anyone notice how even though Silva was gettin hammered the entire fight, but Sonen looked more fucked up? Silva was landing good hits from the bottom as well, although not many, but he was. He cut him in the face early on and gashed it open again later. Sonnen unleashed a fury of hits but silva took them all and came back for a victory.
 
AznAnarchy99 said:
That looked like a tap to me. It was more like a tap, and silva let go but Sonen all of a sudden wanted to fight again.

Anyone notice how even though Silva was gettin hammered the entire fight, but Sonen looked more fucked up? Silva was landing good hits from the bottom as well, although not many, but he was. He cut him in the face early on and gashed it open again later. Sonnen unleashed a fury of hits but silva took them all and came back for a victory.
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yeah.

if you looked at the end of round 4, sonnen's face is all bloodied and silva looks unhurt.

spindoctor recap:
show 1st 30 sec or so of each round where silva is on his feet.
show end of round 4 where sonnen walks to his corner all bloodied
(by now you would have thought silva was waaaay ahead.)
show last few sec of round 5 where sonnen taps

w/that spindoctor recap, you would have thought "wow sonnen lasted 5 rounds"

🙂
 
for a guy w/a black belt in bjj, it looked like silva has NO CLUE what to do when he was on his back.

he didnt even try to get back up.

well, he better learn fast since all future opponents are now going to take him down seeing how weak he is on his back.
 
RPD said:
I didn't see the Fedor/Werdum fight, however logic would dictate that if a single tap means I give up, that a lot of random touching could be construed as "tapping out".

It just reeks of script, the ref is even baffled and is barely doing anything to separate the fighters.
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He was caught in a triangle AND an arm bar. He tapped, and he tapped because his arm was being hyper extended. Silva felt the tap, that is why he let go of the hold.
 
JEDI said:
for a guy w/a black belt in bjj, it looked like silva has NO CLUE what to do when he was on his back.

he didnt even try to get back up.

well, he better learn fast since all future opponents are now going to take him down seeing how weak he is on his back.
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Thats pretty much what BJJ is.
 
He raised his right arm up, and then tapped.....its a tap..dont matter if it was once or twice or for 30 minutes.
 
After watching the replay several times it looked like a tap to me. Ref might have been a bit quick on the draw but Sonnen was in serious trouble. This is why Sonnen didn't argue at all either. His mistake. He had it won.
 
Sonnen did not protest at all after the fight did he? I turned it off pretty quickly after it was done. How anyone can say it wasn't a tap is beyond me. As far as someone above talking about the one tap thing: definitely watch Fedor v. Werdum and you will see a ref stop a fight after one tap. These refs know full well when a guy is in trouble and can differentiate a tap from a normal hand gesture. Dude was all twisted up and it looked like his arm would have snapped if left to go on any more.


Peace

Lounatik
 
JEDI said:
for a guy w/a black belt in bjj, it looked like silva has NO CLUE what to do when he was on his back.

he didnt even try to get back up.

well, he better learn fast since all future opponents are now going to take him down seeing how weak he is on his back.
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What you're talking about? If you've watched any of his previous fights, Silva is just as comfortable on his back. Lutter/Henderson ring a bell? Especially Lutter...he was in the EXACT same position as this fight, minus it being a non-title fight since Lutter didn't make weight. And guess what? Lutter made the same mistake. Lutter exposed the gameplan needed to put Silva in a bad position, but Sonnen was the first to try to capitalize on it. But just like the man who came up with the gameplan, he got submitted because he thought he had Silva. If Silva wanted to hip escape and get up he could have, but instead waste precious time when Sonnen would take him down again. Why not wait for the opening?
 
RPD said:
I didn't see the Fedor/Werdum fight, however logic would dictate that if a single tap means I give up, that a lot of random touching could be construed as "tapping out".

It just reeks of script, the ref is even baffled and is barely doing anything to separate the fighters.
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Wow, then stop watching moron.
 
That was definitely a tap... And, I'll admit, thoughts of 'staged' entered my mind, as although Sonnen looked exhausted, he really fell into that one. Waiting on a replay to finish buffering now.

I'm a Silva fan, so the first three rounds were very disappointing. The last two, though, were the most exciting I've seen in some time. It was somewhat surprising how well Silva took blows throughout the fight, and he didn't take nearly as much damage as he could have just by dodging and moving with punches when he was on the ground. He needs to figure out how to either pass or get back to standup from guard against a guy like Sonnen, though, as he looked helpless (never thought I would say that) through half the fight.

Edit: Gawd, that submission was beautiful.
 
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Chael was right there was a Karma kick back for behaving like a d-bag.

The way he lost was pretty common though. The fight was basically like Leben V. Akiyama except Leben couldn't see that he got pummeled otherwise.
 
RPD said:
I didn't see the Fedor/Werdum fight, however logic would dictate that if a single tap means I give up, that a lot of random touching could be construed as "tapping out".

It just reeks of script, the ref is even baffled and is barely doing anything to separate the fighters.
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Random touching eh? Is this the first time you've watched mma? Must be since you didn't even bother watching fedor/werdum.

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It wasn't random. Looked like a solid tap. The ref saw it and went in to save him. But, then he decided to continue to fight and protest which is why there was confusion. He would have been choked out or got his arm damaged if he didn't tap.

Despite all the punches, Silva didn't look all that hurt and wasn't cut. He probably got stun a couple of times but that was it. Sonnen looked like he took more damage after the fight.
 
Just caught the replay of the fight from having it spoiled last night. All the way through I couldn't believe Sonnen loses it. I figured it must have been a last minute submission and it turned out that way. 🙁

Silva got dominated that whole fight, but as everyone knows as long as you are breathing you have a chance. Can't believe Sonnen threw a punch when Silva went for the triangle instead of pulling out. Silva held onto that right arm the entire fight on the ground and the only times he let go was when he was trying to escape or trying for a submission and Sonnen got caught.
 
it was a great fight, anything can happen in a fight and it did. i dont understand how all that punishment and not one cut on silva.
 
Either Sonnen is the worst GnPer ever or that was a staged fight. I suppose it's possible Silva has kevlar skin, but after 3 rounds I didn't see a single cut on his face or by then end of the fight for that matter. Lots of baby punches and knees by Sonnen. Silva just standing there in the first round letting him punch him.
 
Outstanding card, one of the best in a long time.

BTW, the single tap tactic is a ploy used by most of team quest, sometimes it even works. No way do you let go of a hold against one of their guys, until the ref makes you.

Sonnen is also a sucker for the triangle, it is amazing he managed to avoid it as long as he did.

I predict if they fight again, Silva wins on the feet. He was obviously not himself, regardless of what the reason for it was. His footwork, body, and head movement were all missing. He looked lethargic or hampered, and both my wife and I commented on it within a couple minutes of the first round.

And for those that call shens, I just do not understand your perspective. Chael hit Silva with a shot, while his head was on the mat, that was so hard you could easily hear it. I have seen many fighters KO'd from exactly that kind of shot, and Silva took it like a true champ. No way, no how, was that not a serious attempt to end the fight.

The elbow Chael ate was another example of a potential fight ender. I thought Silva was out of his mind for not standing up and forcing Chael to stand with him ASAP. Instead he ended up getting reversed and being on his back again. Clearly not the Spider I am accustomed to watching. Something was definitely wrong with him, rib, peaked too soon? whatever was wrong, he was certainly not his usual self. And that is beside the obvious difficulties the style match up presented him with.
 
All of the fights FAR exceeded my expectations with the exception of the Fitch/Alves fight which was about par for the course.

I really hope they queue up a rematch as fast as they did for Edgar and Penn. Make Vitor fight Marquardt.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
Outstanding card, one of the best in a long time.

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The elbow Chael ate was another example of a potential fight ender. I thought Silva was out of his mind for not standing up and forcing Chael to stand with him ASAP. Instead he ended up getting reversed and being on his back again. Clearly not the Spider I am accustomed to watching. Something was definitely wrong with him, rib, peaked too soon? whatever was wrong, he was certainly not his usual self. And that is beside the obvious difficulties the style match up presented him with.
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Wasn't that reverse just completely sick? I was thoroughly impressed that Sonnen was able to wrap him up and get him back down again, considering he did it from his knees.

Also, I would put aside his previous losses and realize that this guy is a world class wrestler who was an Olympic alternate, so he does have skills.


Peace

Lounatik
 
WOW silvia was given the win. Sonnen DID NOT TAP. what fuck thats bullshit

it was a hell of a card.
 
Somebody please point me to another UFC fight that was stopped after 1 tap, I have VHS or DVD's of every single UFC PPV. Not saying it hasn't happened before, I just don't recall ever seeing it. I thought the official rule was 3 taps in a row = tapping out. But 1 tap = stop is new to me. I am not saying Chale would have came back, but I think the stoppage was utter bullshit. It doesn't matter if that was where it was headed, Chale should have been given the chance to either make a magical escape or tap a proper amount of times. And yes, I've seen more miraculous comebacks from submissions before, so it is possible.
 
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