Of course he tapped... The proof is in the fact that NOBODY from Sonnen's camp has protested the stoppage. If he truly did not tap, trust me, Chael would be screaming from the rooftops.
And for the others who claim this is staged. Perhaps watching MMA is not for you.
And for the others who claim this is staged. Perhaps watching MMA is not for you.
Fingolfin269
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I think that's supposed to be the general reaction when one guy totally owns another for 4.5 rounds and then chokes it all away by getting submitted.
There is no conspiracy here. The ref did not screw up, in fact he did his job. If anything the ref was probably thinking "oh shit, now Quebert and others on the internet will think I f'd up by stopping it after one tap instead of the expected three tap standard!"
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hm.. from what i've read, Belfort was next in line to fight Silva for the belt back in Jan. Silva postphoned due to injury. then Belfort postphoned due to injury in April.
Why wasnt Belfort fighting in UFC 117 instead of Sonnen? was he still injured 4 months after the april postphonement?
Now Belfort is scheduled to fight for the belt in Nov?!
sigh.. and i was hoping Silva would fight light heavy weight, or hell even go down in weight class and fight GSP next.
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if anyone cares, here's the technical breakdown leading to the tap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQyHqg3NDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQyHqg3NDg
Miramonti
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He's going to be kicking himself for a LONG time.
He had that match in the bag, all he had to do was play it safe in the last 2 minutes. Instead he got cocky and went for the submission on Silva.....big mistake. Silva sprang like a coiled snake the moment the opportunity presented itself and capitalized. It's why he's the best, mad respect for Silva after that match. To take a beating like he did, and still not give up shows just how much confidence Silva has in himself and it's what separates him from the rest of the competitors.
He had that match in the bag, all he had to do was play it safe in the last 2 minutes. Instead he got cocky and went for the submission on Silva.....big mistake. Silva sprang like a coiled snake the moment the opportunity presented itself and capitalized. It's why he's the best, mad respect for Silva after that match. To take a beating like he did, and still not give up shows just how much confidence Silva has in himself and it's what separates him from the rest of the competitors.
RPD
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That .gif is worthless.
FYI Sonnen did dispute the tap, ask Ed Soares. The reason behind not mentioning it after all the dust cleared? It would be pointless. Never in the history of MMA has someone complaining about an early stoppage has had their case over turned.
That said, I had a few beers in me but the fact even the ref didn't know what to do makes it a case that it wasn't a clear cut oh he definitely tapped.
What's done is done, Silva is still the champ, however what irks me is how when Fedor lost in the first round it was just dumb luck for the other guy. Silva takes 5 rounds and somehow it's skill. Hmm riiiight. If he was so skillful, he would have done it sooner. It's one or the other but you can't have it both ways.
I don't see how you can make the case that Silva is anywhere near the top for P4P fighters now, top P4P fighters don't get beat on and have someone else's will imposed on them for 23min's of a fight.
FYI Sonnen did dispute the tap, ask Ed Soares. The reason behind not mentioning it after all the dust cleared? It would be pointless. Never in the history of MMA has someone complaining about an early stoppage has had their case over turned.
That said, I had a few beers in me but the fact even the ref didn't know what to do makes it a case that it wasn't a clear cut oh he definitely tapped.
What's done is done, Silva is still the champ, however what irks me is how when Fedor lost in the first round it was just dumb luck for the other guy. Silva takes 5 rounds and somehow it's skill. Hmm riiiight. If he was so skillful, he would have done it sooner. It's one or the other but you can't have it both ways.
I don't see how you can make the case that Silva is anywhere near the top for P4P fighters now, top P4P fighters don't get beat on and have someone else's will imposed on them for 23min's of a fight.
RPD
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RPD
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But back to my raging, a lot of beers watching that fight I just couldn't believe it. My thought process was it was the perfect way to legitimize Sonnen so he wouldn't look like an ass and become a shell that didn't back up his talk and and the same time keeping Silva's reign intact.
Sid59 Thanks for the vid!
Sid59 Thanks for the vid!
Cool. I figured these guys would have to do this, after seeing their Fedor-Werdum and Lesnar-Carwin breakdowns. Pretty interesting.
OILFIELDTRASH
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Silva's done. Don't know what it is but he's lost something. Barely got out of the Maia fight and got pounded on for 4 3/4 rounds before Sonnen tired out and got caught. If Sonnen gets a rematch you can go ahead and hand him the belt. This reminds me of Mir vs Lesnar. You knew it was a dumb mistake on the part of Lesnar getting caught and if Lesnar got a rematch he'd just stay cautious and GNP Mir. I see the same thing for a Sonnen v Silva rematch. Just stay on top of Silva and punch him in the face.
I can't believe all the comments "Silva just was waiting for the right moment". So I guess Silva's plan was to tire Sonnen out by taking punches to the head.
I can't believe all the comments "Silva just was waiting for the right moment". So I guess Silva's plan was to tire Sonnen out by taking punches to the head.
meltdown75
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a tap is a tap
a win is a win
big props to Silva.. he got dominated for the entire fight and pulled out the W. crazy
a win is a win
big props to Silva.. he got dominated for the entire fight and pulled out the W. crazy
meltdown75
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waggy
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So, either:
A) He did tap, intending to tap out
or
B) He did tap, not intending to tap out, hoping to fake silva out and make him release, knowing that he was in a lost position.
I don't see any other option here. Is anyone seriously arguing he didn't intend to make it look like a tap out?
A) He did tap, intending to tap out
or
B) He did tap, not intending to tap out, hoping to fake silva out and make him release, knowing that he was in a lost position.
I don't see any other option here. Is anyone seriously arguing he didn't intend to make it look like a tap out?
QueBert
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He definitely was either tapping or about to tap, but I've seen every UFC and a majority of the Pride/SF events and outside of the Fedor Vs Werdum fight a few months ago, I don't recall a ref ever stopping it on the 1st tap. The unwritten rule is 3 taps then the ref stops. While I'm sure it's happened other than the 2 times I mentioned, I don't remember it. I do remember hundreds of tap outs with 3 taps. It was clear as day he tapped, but Josh shouldn't have stopped it that fast. And for everyone saying "but his arm would have been broken!" If Chael intended to tap again it would have happened literally a half a second after the 1st tap and his arm would have been fine. Sonnen and his people haven't spoke out about this because there's nothing that can be done. The ref's final word is his final word, I mean Anthony Johnson was poked in the eye so hard he was in the hospital for a week. And the ref awarded his opponent a TKO victory. Chael didn't have anything to stand on here even if he did want to bitch about it. But the athletic commission needs to re-tool this rule and make it 2-3 taps, at least give the fighter a second to change his mind and try to come back and win.
Or maybe have Regis ask "Is that your final tap?"
Look... 1 tap, 3 taps, 84 taps... It doesn't matter, Chael submitted. Chael hasn't spoken out, only because he lost fair and square.
QueBert, I agree about 2-3 taps being the norm and probably should be a rule. What I don't understand is whether anyone is saying / how anyone could say that he didn't at least intend to make it look like he tapped to trick Silva into releasing. It didn't seem like an ambiguous move to me (i.e. didn't look like he just accidentally palmed Silva nor did it look like he changed his mind). At the very least, it was meant as a desperation trick to fool Silva.
M0oG0oGaiPan
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when you're training you tap your partner to let him know you've had enough because you can't breathe or that shit's working. you only have to tap him once. going around making ambigious taps trying to trick your opponent is a dick move. you can't change your mind after a tap. you're already at the point where you feel you're in danger. one tap is enough. you require 2/3/5 taps and then you get guys crying wolf doing single/double taps. You call the fight and then you get a bunch of ufc 2 shamrocks claiming they didn't tap and then you get royce gracies trying to break everyone's arm so they can't call bs.
I'm glad you're agreeing to the fact that Chael was going to lose it. My issue here is that Chael has been anything but quiet leading up. If this really was TapGate and he truly didn't tap, he would have said it by now, on a blog, a radio show, etc. He couldn't give two shits about the "final word"...we would have heard about it. Period. One can make the argument that he knows how to make the sale - he did a FANTASTIC job to sell a card no one otherwise would have bought. (On a side note - it was an overall excellent card - one of the better all year) It makes no sense even if it was a sale job that suddenly he's Mr. Respectful of Silva. Silva had him, Chael tapped, the end. He's not going to be Mr. Shy and Bashful afterthefact if there was any doubt.
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