UFC 117: SILVA vs Sonnen 8/7/10 @10pm EST

[AznAnarchy99]

Have you guys ever trained Jujitsu? When I tap once, Im sure as hell in pain and want to get the fuck out. Especially with the adrenaline of the fight, Im willing to bet Silva wasnt going slow until he tapped so he wouldnt break his arm.

 

[stlcardinals]

Does anyone have a link to the unified MMA rules and regulations?

 

[her209]

Amazing fights all around...

 

[OCGuy]

Silva won, but he better prepare for the rematch.

 

[JEDI]

if anyone cares, here's the technical breakdown leading to the tap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQyHqg3NDg

holy.. Rorion Gracie (Royce's brother) co-founded UFC?!

But he sold his share after UFC 5.

 

[Ns1]

Silva won, but he better prepare for the rematch.

let's hope it comes ASAP

 

[QueBert]

The problem with this outcome is it sucks for all the fighters who had a submission locked on, the person tapped once, but went on to reverse the submission and win because the ref didn't stop it. All I'm saying is the rule here needs to be clear cut, it should not be an "up to the ref" judgement call. If it's 1 tap, fine but it has to be 1 tap across the board. If not then all the dudes who had somebody tap once and went on to lose to them should get an automatic rematch.

 

[RPD]

Wow, that's original. Least it's one less moron taking up a seat at the bar for the real fans of the sport. Maybe you can spend your time researching how NASA faked the moon landing.

Who needs to be original when it's true? The moon you say, isn't that made of cheese? Stop trolling.. back on topic.

I'm glad you're agreeing to the fact that Chael was going to lose it. My issue here is that Chael has been anything but quiet leading up. If this really was TapGate and he truly didn't tap, he would have said it by now, on a blog, a radio show, etc. He couldn't give two shits about the "final word"...we would have heard about it. Period. One can make the argument that he knows how to make the sale - he did a FANTASTIC job to sell a card no one otherwise would have bought. (On a side note - it was an overall excellent card - one of the better all year) It makes no sense even if it was a sale job that suddenly he's Mr. Respectful of Silva. Silva had him, Chael tapped, the end. He's not going to be Mr. Shy and Bashful afterthefact if there was any doubt.

If you took my advice and changed that tampon, you'd realize, as I've already posted why he hasn't said anything after the ref has made the call AND he did in fact protest it.

Again already posted it, but here's proof, but what would I know, I don't "follow" the sport as closely, like someone like yourself.

This is coming from not Chael, but Ed Soares. Get your facts right before you try spouting off nonsense.

http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2010/0809/530724/anderson-silva/

The part that is important from the link:

The ending of the fight was controversial at first as Sonnen seemed to be protesting the stoppage after he tapped out. Confused over whether or not the fight was over Silva continued fighting off of his back as the referee intervened causing a very tense moment inside the Octagon. Fueled by that, the tension created by the fight itself and spurred on by one of Sonnen's cornermen, Soares had a minor verbal altercation inside the Octagon post-fight with Sonnen's team. Soares explained the fracas to Helwani.

"What happened was, number one, I was upset that Chael was...trying to deny at first that he tapped," said Soares. "I went through that scenario once before with Chael myself, with Paulo Filho. Chael has been known to do that once in a while. I don't think Chael is a dirty fighter. I don't think any of that. But when I walked in the ring, I can remember looking over towards Chael's corner and I saw his boxing trainer kind of look at me and put the thumbs down towards Anderson. And you know what? I lost my cool. I can tell you that if I could take it back, I would, but my emotions got the best of me at that moment and definitely some words were said."

 

[RPD]

The problem with this outcome is it sucks for all the fighters who had a submission locked on, the person tapped once, but went on to reverse the submission and win because the ref didn't stop it. All I'm saying is the rule here needs to be clear cut, it should not be an "up to the ref" judgement call. If it's 1 tap, fine but it has to be 1 tap across the board. If not then all the dudes who had somebody tap once and went on to lose to them should get an automatic rematch.

I'd also agree with your posts QueBert, it seems like an unspoken rule. Granted not every submission is going to allow someone to tap multiple quick times, but even a single tap and a verbal or something more definitive would work for these extreme cases.

 

[Wingznut]

RPD... What people are referring to, is that if Chael truly did NOT intend to submit, then he would still be screaming about it. Nobody is talking about at the moment.

It's not unprecedented. Fights have ended prematurely because of a ref's mistake, and the discussion always continues long after the fight is over.

 

[meltdown75]

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrp

 

[RPD]

RPD... What people are referring to, is that if Chael truly did NOT intend to submit, then he would still be screaming about it. Nobody is talking about at the moment.

It's not unprecedented. Fights have ended prematurely because of a ref's mistake, and the discussion always continues long after the fight is over.

You might be referring to that, but what was typed wasn't clearly conveyed by others. Saying he "never" protested it is a lie, as he did, thats pretty cut and dry.

Another fighter might still be "screaming" about it, however I'd rate Chael smarter then your average fighter and realized making a public dispute of this in the press would do him zero favors as it would have no bearing on the result because protests never do.

 

[Udgnim]

The problem with this outcome is it sucks for all the fighters who had a submission locked on, the person tapped once, but went on to reverse the submission and win because the ref didn't stop it.

MMA fighters should be coached to never let go of a submission until there is a ref stoppage anyways

 

[scott916]

He clearly tapped, and even if he didn't tap at that moment there's no fuckin way he could've gotten out of that triangle choke.

 

[Miramonti]

You might be referring to that, but what was typed wasn't clearly conveyed by others. Saying he "never" protested it is a lie, as he did, thats pretty cut and dry.

Another fighter might still be "screaming" about it, however I'd rate Chael smarter then your average fighter and realized making a public dispute of this in the press would do him zero favors as it would have no bearing on the result because protests never do.

What a load of excrement.

He can do an interview any day of the week. And if he protests his tap, he has absolutely no integrity. To try and pull a bullsh!t move like that and then throw the ref under the bus when he doesn't get away with it would be a pussy move, more pussy than pulling the weak move in the first place.

I don't think that's who he is, and that's why he's not saying sh!t.

 

[RPD]

What a load of excrement.

He can do an interview any day of the week. And if he protests his tap, he has absolutely no integrity. To try and pull a bullsh!t move like that and then throw the ref under the bus when he doesn't get away with it would be a pussy move, more pussy than pulling the weak move in the first place.

I don't think that's who he is, and that's why he's not saying sh!t.

Or you could just not read anything.

 

[QueBert]

He clearly tapped, and even if he didn't tap at that moment there's no fuckin way he could've gotten out of that triangle choke.

Lyoto Machida got out of a triangle that was just as deep. Likely? Nope, but it's been done. Hell Matt Hughes got out of a text book RNC where he was about 3 seconds away from being asleep. And he went on to win less than a minute later with his own RNC.

 

[Miramonti]

Lyoto Machida got out of a triangle that was just as deep. Likely? Nope, but it's been done. Hell Matt Hughes got out of a text book RNC where he was about 3 seconds away from being asleep. And he went on to win less than a minute later with his own RNC.

He obviously didn't have enough confidence he'd get out to avoid playing tapping games instead.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Looks like Silva had a cracked rib for the majority of the fight:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...on-silva-out-until-early-2011-with-rib-injury

That helps to explain things a bit.

 

[JEDI]

Looks like Silva had a cracked rib for the majority of the fight:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...on-silva-out-until-early-2011-with-rib-injury

That helps to explain things a bit.

so thats how you slow down mr silky smooth.. by breaking his bones.


i guess he next guy that faces him should come armed w/a .50 Desert Eagle w/depleted uranium rounds since Silva has shown he has kevlar skin.

even after taking a beating for 4 straight rounds, Sonnen's busted up face made it look like Silva was pwning him the whole match.
i dont think there was a single cut on Silvas face even after 20 min of fists hitting it