This is so weird, I don't usually find myself on the Cop's side 
They didn't do anything wrong from what the video shows. They had every indication the kid was unstable, they warned him a bunch of times, and he WAS actively resisting arrest. It's not like they billy clubbed him, tasers hurt but they're not exactly the most brutal form of crowd control. He was warned over and over to stop resisting, he could've talked calmly with the cops outside the building where he was absolutely sure not to be a danger to a packed building of people, and if the cops wouldn't answer him he could've used his same videotaped footage of being dragged out to make his case a lot more convincingly.
The only place the police dropped the ball is trying to convict him of a felony now. The DA is going to ignore their request, correctly, but they embarassed themselves even recommending the charge in the first place.
They didn't do anything wrong from what the video shows. They had every indication the kid was unstable, they warned him a bunch of times, and he WAS actively resisting arrest. It's not like they billy clubbed him, tasers hurt but they're not exactly the most brutal form of crowd control. He was warned over and over to stop resisting, he could've talked calmly with the cops outside the building where he was absolutely sure not to be a danger to a packed building of people, and if the cops wouldn't answer him he could've used his same videotaped footage of being dragged out to make his case a lot more convincingly.
The only place the police dropped the ball is trying to convict him of a felony now. The DA is going to ignore their request, correctly, but they embarassed themselves even recommending the charge in the first place.
MartyMcFly3
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Keep making assumptions and generalizations about me and why I do what I do. They are really entertaining.
moshquerade
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moshquerade
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moshquerade
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lupi
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There are a lot of videos out there now, and a couple run through the entire affair.
Just after they cut the mic he turns and starts walking for the aisle when the rent-a-cops walk up to him. You can hear him at another point say just let go of me and I'll walk out of here. And then there is the portion where one of the cops picks him up and carries him from about half way up the aisle to the top of the aisle where the tazer scene takes place. For one guy to carry him that distance, doesn't look like he's resisting much. Or why stop carrying him once you've got him that far to then worry about cuffing and tazing; can't you just be content to remove him from the scene.
Have you tried carrying someone while they're struggling and especially when the person you're carrying is as large as the student in the video?
MartyMcFly3
Lifer
I watched the videos and at first it seems he wasn't so much being carried but jumping while the big officer pushed forward but once in the back of the room the guy planted himself and decided he didn't want to be removed. Then it looked like he tried to break free from the officers and that's when they took him to the ground at which point he still didn't cease his struggle. Can't really see where people are getting the idea that he was restrained especially for a guy his size.
alkemyst
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This was my problem with the video, not to mention Kerry himself told everyone to wait anyway and that he'd answer the question. The dude was leaving, then the cops get in and the taser is out. I think he knew he was getting tasered no matter what and panicked.
Those cops seriously though had him so outnumbered there should not have been a need to go to a weapon. The dude wasn't exactly the pillar of strength.
What mostly is driving this is people hate the outspoken guy. There is no crime in being one and more often than not, it's these guys making the changes we need.
The guys private life and joke vids are now up for leverage that the guy had this coming as well. I don't know what some of you did / are doing in college...but pranks seem to go with the territory as well as having fun. Some people here seem more 60ish than 20ish.
The main thing though is mostly all the people that weren't there have the opposite opinion as most of the people that were there.
jlee
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alkemyst
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Basic arm bar or come along hold should have worked. The guy doesn't cooperate you bring him to the ground or let him let you break his arm.
Also for the life of me (I was never a cop, but I have worked security at events in my 20's when I was active in martial arts daily...I was able to remove many guys larger than myself and only had to physically fight a handful. Those were quickly subdued when others on staff assisted) cannot understand how a lot of cops today don't know the basics for controlling a suspect.
The first error they make is usually coming up as confrontational rather than cautious and questioning. A lot of situations turn out a lot different once you get a few questions out of the way. All of the sudden the guy that was reported to be the antagonist is found out to be the guy that actually got jumped or the person with the purse in his hand is actually a third party that got it away from the actual criminal. They either go for the pepper spray, taser or another weapon. For one, once you have a weapon out the average Joe is having a practical breakdown figuring somehow they will be dead or in the hospital by the end of the night. Fight or flight kicks in. Most of the people in this situation are already a little off balance/stressed/intoxicated and not thinking clearly. A cop should be trying to calm rather than escalate and this is a difficult thing to do. Once the cop starts yelling and the other guy is now scared and trying to talk over the cop to explain it wasn't him utter pandemonium results. I have seen and been part of these incidents first hand. Meanwhile the real loser ends up getting away by just ducking out with all the commotion.
mugs
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He was well past the point of being allowed to walk out on his own then. After flipping out and having to be restrained by 3 cops, do you really think they're going to just let him go because he says he'll be good?
Are you watching the same video I'm watching? He was resisting the whole way, and he nearly broke free near the exit, that's why he ended up on the ground there.
Edit: And did some student who was sitting in the back seriously claim that he was cuffed when they tazed him? His hands are in front of him when he's tazed, and then when they pick him up his hands are cuffed behind his back. You can see them pull his left arm behind his back while he's being tazed. After viewing the video again, I'm actually impressed by how quickly and effectively the tazer helped end the situation.
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