UF student gets tasered at John Kerrys speech while asking a question

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Lifer
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alkemyst is doing a good job trolling the taser/flailing issue

the flailing can be viewed as a threat, even if it isnt. why? because the appendage motions are very similar to those of someone who has the intent to hurt. dont believe me? have someone try to subdue you, then flail your arms around trying to break free. afterwards, have the same person subdue u again, except this time u try to hit him with your arms at every opportunity.

but in any case, im not sure why everyone is arguing with you. your perspective is clearly one-sided and to argue against you is like yelling at a brick wall.
 

lupi

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I love how those saying the cops were undertrained/incompetent in their handling of the situation are being bashed while half the douches here wanted the guy to get tazed as soon as he went up to the mic. Talk about a nice grouping of people with their heads firmly planted up each other's ass.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: lupi
I love how those saying the cops were undertrained/incompetent in their handling of the situation are being bashed while half the douches here wanted the guy to get tazed as soon as he went up to the mic. Talk about a nice grouping of people with their heads firmly planted up each other's ass.

Of course, you don't consider that he barged into the auditorium ran past the other folks waiting patiently in line to ask a question and just grabbed the mic.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: lupi
I love how those saying the cops were undertrained/incompetent in their handling of the situation are being bashed while half the douches here wanted the guy to get tazed as soon as he went up to the mic. Talk about a nice grouping of people with their heads firmly planted up each other's ass.

tazing him early is bad. but in this case the cops were fine. they gave him plenty of warning and he continued to struggle.

Its not like other case's (one where the lady was tazed 10 times and died). they used it for a split second to get him under control.

 

classy

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Originally posted by: waggy
damn right he deserved it.


He did? He asked a question, that was all. They should have made him leave, but he broke no laws and did nothing wrong that I could see.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
if this was a republican speech you know the lefty blogs would be ranting about civil rights and free speech right now.

plus i guess he's just unlucky he's not black in this situation


Huh? Can you clarify what you mean he's unlucky he's not black.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: waggy
damn right he deserved it.


He did? He asked a question, that was all. They should have made him leave, but he broke no laws and did nothing wrong that I could see.

yes he did and its been said multible times. read the thread you are not stupid and i am sure you can understand it.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: waggy
damn right he deserved it.


He did? He asked a question, that was all. They should have made him leave, but he broke no laws and did nothing wrong that I could see.

They did. He refused.
 

moshquerade

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Some interesting info on this UF Student, and "victim" Andrew Meyer.

Was the Tasered student asking for it?

After my post yesterday on naive campus cops who keep Tasering kids despite repeated caught-on-YouTube imbroglios, I got an e-mail from Tyler Antar, a University of Florida junior, who was in the auditorium Monday when campus police Tasered 21-year-old Andrew Meyer during a forum with Sen. John Kerry.

I spoke to Antar this morning about what happened before the video snapped on. Together with details from Florida newspapers, from the police report and from Meyer's own Web site, another side of Kerry's heckler emerged today. His jerky side. More important, there's also some suggestion that Meyer went into the forum looking for trouble. The cops overreacted, but was Meyer egging them on for the camera?

Antar says that he was standing about 15 feet away from Meyer during the confrontation, and that the YouTube video tells only half the story. What you don't see is what happened before Meyer began to speak.

Someone else was asking Kerry a question, and then, while that person was speaking, Meyer came bounding out of the aisle and grabbed a mike. "He began shouting that Sen. Kerry needs to answer his question because he's been waiting in line for the longest time," Antar told me.

After Meyer caused the disturbance, two officers who'd been standing to the side of the room moved closer to him, Antar said. At that point, Antar told me, Meyer began taunting the officers. "He turned to the cops and said, 'What, are you going to Taser me? Are you going to arrest me?'"

In the police report, Nicole Mallo -- one of the two officers who used the Taser on Meyer -- writes that after Meyer asked his question, he turned to a "friend" carrying a camera and asked, "Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?" (The PDF of the report is here.)

The woman with the camera was Clarissa Jessup. It turns out she was not Meyer's friend but someone he'd met during the speech. He handed her his own video camera just before going up to ask his question.

This seems a little suspicious, doesn't it? That Meyer brought his own camera to the speech would suggest he'd been planning to make a scene. (The most widely circulated YouTube video was captured with his camera.)

Jessup, for her part, doesn't think that was Meyer's plan. "He was so nonchalant about it," she told CNN. "I think if he was planning it he would have been concerned with who I was and how he could reach me after the fact to get his camera back."

Still, Meyer does have a history of putting on stunts to get attention. Several outlets reported yesterday that just after the last Harry Potter book was released, Meyer made a video of himself standing on a street carrying a sign bearing the words "Harry Dies." In another video he "acts like a drunk while trying to pick up a woman in a bar," the Associated Press reported. Here's Meyer's Web site and his YouTube channel -- neither one seems to contain those videos anymore.

A couple of Meyer's friends told the Gainesville Sun that they didn't believe he'd gone to the Kerry event to make a scene. "He is a funny person, but he is a funny person who really wants political change. He went there to ask some tough questions," a student named Jon Levy said.

But the police report documents further self-aggrandizing behavior. To identify himself, Meyer handed the officers a business card (It read: TheANDREWMEYER.com Speak my mind.) Officer Mallo also adds this nugget:

Meyer was transported to the Alachua County Detention Center by my [sic] myself and Officer Vinson. Meyer stated he just wanted Senator Kerry to hear what he had to say and that he was upset when he ended the questions without being heard. Meyer stated, on the way to the jail, "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job." Meyer was laughing and being lighthearted in the car, his demeanor completely changed once the cameras were not in sight. Meyer did ask, at one point, if the cameras were going to be at the jail.

So the guy is all laughs when the cameras are off, but plays it up for the media? Hmm.

Caveats, of course: The cops are under fire; two of them have already been placed on paid leave. So you're certainly right to question their veracity. (USA Today says it's trying to get a recording of Meyer's quotes from the cop car.)

Plus, obviously, even if Meyer had gone in there to create a scene and even if he was acting like a big jerk, that doesn't mean the cops were right to pull out their Tasers. In the report, several of the officers seem to suggest that they were most ticked off by Meyer's use of the term "blow job" (he was talking about Bill Clinton, naturally). Come on -- what's the point of going to college in Florida if you can't say "blow job"?
http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/09/19/meyer_jerk/
 

waggy

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yeap they are not finding out about the guy. now more stories are saying how he set it up and provoked the cops.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Of course, you don't consider that he barged into the auditorium ran past the other folks waiting patiently in line to ask a question and just grabbed the mic.

I'll remember that the next time I'm at Disney, Busch Gardens, the Movies, .....
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Of course, you don't consider that he barged into the auditorium ran past the other folks waiting patiently in line to ask a question and just grabbed the mic.

I'll remember that the next time I'm at Disney, Busch Gardens, the Movies, .....

Yes and when the police ask you to leave, you refuse, they attempt to escort you out but you refuse, when they attempt to arrest you but you still fight back and finally get tazered, you'll maybe get a clue.
 

Syringer

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I took the vid seriously until the guy started shouting "BRO! BRO! Dont' tase me BRO!"

Then I started laughing uncontrollably.
 

Laminator

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That was the real reason they tased him. I mean, after a guy yells something like that, you can't not tase him. It had to be done.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: waggy
i spent a few years in hapkido wich is pretty rough. BUT i also started wrestling at 5 until i was in my 20's. so yeah i know a little about trying to control someone.

IT is NOT as easy as you are trying to make it out.

Yes there are moves that will take someone down and keep them down. BUT there are ways around that. And if someoone has a hold of a chair and fighting it makes it very hard to do without hurting them or maybe yourself.

but yeah its fucking sad how out of shape a lot of cops are. its also rather scary. i know a few cops. they are in awesome shape (heh knew one from wrestling camps). they are county sheriff and not city cops. so maybe that has something to do with it.

Like this cop? For some reason, not too many people resist with him. :)

holly shit.

err heh i woiuldnt mess with him.

I think he choke slams people with one hand when they resist. :)

He's Arlington, TX PD, well ex-PD. I think he left the force a few years ago. My brother got a chance to meet him at a local Chilli's here (we live very close to Arlington). My brother had been working out for a quite a few years, and he said, he felt like he looked like he never worked out in his life standing next to him. The guy is a monster!

Ronnie Coleman was an ex-pro bodybuilder. #1. He is a bit extreme, but if more cops were fit first they'd be more effective and not have to worry about someone's flailing hurting their girlish complexion. Losing eyes and getting your nose broken no less.

Are you saying you can work out your eyes and nose for extra strength and protection from injury?
 

Agentbolt

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Are you saying you can work out your eyes and nose for extra strength and protection from injury?

You can't be THAT stupid, Glutenberg. He's not saying they should have bulked up their noses and eyes, he's saying that if they were in better shape they'd have been able to subdue him more quickly so that he couldn't strike at them at all.

I'm not sure I agree with that point, but that's clearly the point he was making.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Are you saying you can work out your eyes and nose for extra strength and protection from injury?

You can't be THAT stupid, Glutenberg. He's not saying they should have bulked up their noses and eyes, he's saying that if they were in better shape they'd have been able to subdue him more quickly so that he couldn't strike at them at all.

I'm not sure I agree with that point, but that's clearly the point he was making.

The point is that no matter how well trained, how strong you are, etc, flailing arms by a person who refuses to be subdued can likely injure areas of your body that are difficult to protect.
 

lupi

Lifer
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: lupi
Can't wait for the idiot gallery to defend this.

diffrent situation.

he tazed her more then once. also he kicked her while she was down.

Unwarranted tazing is unwarranted tazing. Besides, I thought the cops could do no wrong?
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: lupi
Can't wait for the idiot gallery to defend this.

diffrent situation.

he tazed her more then once. also he kicked her while she was down.

Unwarranted tazing is unwarranted tazing. Besides, I thought the cops could do no wrong?

Oh hey, nice strawman.