No arguments here, like I said, I don't think I agree with the previous poster's point. I'm just making sure you understood what it was. That's why these threads usually de-generate into unreadable flaming, because people completely misinterpret other people's points (either intentionally or unintentionally)
No arguments here, like I said, I don't think I agree with the previous poster's point. I'm just making sure you understood what it was. That's why these threads usually de-generate into unreadable flaming, because people completely misinterpret other people's points (either intentionally or unintentionally)
Strange how no one said that cops could do no wrong and yet you were able to extrapolate that from, "police were justified in this case." And your argument that unwarranted tazing is unwarranted tazing doesn't even apply since the entire debate at hand is whether or not the tazing was warranted.
waggy
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please point out where i have said that?
you are right unwarranted tazing is wrong. in the case of the kid from florida i twas warranted. he was fighting and not allowing them to handcuff him. he had hold of a chair and kicking with his legs. they also only tazed him once wich allowed them to cuff him.
on the short tape we see of the drunk and fat cop. the cop could have got her cuffed anytime. instead he chose to kick her in the ass and continue to taz her for fun.
in short it is two diffrent situations.
Lots of word is going around campus that this whole thing was a joke and he just wanted his 15 minutes of fame. It just got out of hand when the cops used the taser. Being obnoxious to Kerry at the speech seemed to be planned out but the taser thing wasn't
(I go to the UF and was at the Kerry speech Monday night)
(I go to the UF and was at the Kerry speech Monday night)
Capt Caveman
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It got out of hand when the police put their hands on the person. Kerry said he would answer the question so the police had no reason to try and remove him.
John Kerry isn't responsible for the safety and well-being of the people inside that auditorium. The cops were. Therefore it's not up to Kerry whether the kid stays or goes, regardless of whether he'd answer the question. The kid was acting unstable and needed to go.
edit:
Wow, hadn't seen that before. It has nothing to do with this precise situation, but this video is yet more evidence of why the "When a cop says 'Jump', you say 'How high?'" attitude a lot of ATOT seems to have is retarded. They're not an institution above scrutiny. In ANY situation.
TallBill
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And its a retarded point. They were not telling him to jump. They rightfully told him to leave, he didn't, so they escorted him out. Then when he started doing goofy shit and they were arresting him they told him to put his hand behind his back and they didn't, and he got tased.
Stop being a retard.
Solitarity 
"He's probably thinking something like, I wish they would stop tasering this guy, so I can go home and watch this guy getting tasered on youtube."
"He's probably thinking something like, I wish they would stop tasering this guy, so I can go home and watch this guy getting tasered on youtube."
Oh, Skippy, you and aren't on the same page at all. You're on your own in this thread.
Jesus Christ, are you people serious? I am DEFENDING these cops!!
With this kid, the cops were 100%, totally, completely in the right. Which is what I said, and which is what you'd have understood, if basic reading skills were a requirement around here.
If you say the police are responsible for decided who can and can not be at the event then you run smack into the first amendement trying to throw him out. If the government is in charge it must be a public place and he can run around being as big of jerk as he likes and the police can't ask him to leave until he breaks the law.
If it is not a public place it is up to the host to decided when to ask someone to leave. In this case it would be the Kerry. The police of course could arrest him if he broke a law, but they are not empowered to ask people to leave.
Being unstable is not a crime. The police should never have gotten involved.
Capt Caveman
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He was arrested for disturbing the peace in a public place. There goes your first amendment argument.
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