UF student gets tasered at John Kerrys speech while asking a question

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: Marinski
I think we should be more concerned by the fact that six cops can't take this guy down, cuff him, and take out of there without having to use a taser on him. 6 human beings against 1, you do the math, they shouldn't have had to use a taser. Oh wait I forgot, they are bitch cops.

Have you ever tried to arrest/physically take down a person that does NOT want to go to jail?

No?

Then STFU. You have no idea what people are capable of if you threaten to take away their liberty/freedom. Quit talking out of your ass.

Dude if you are there to take away one's freedom/liberty I hope the whole place goes off.

That is not the role of a police officer.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TallBill
I cant believe so many people are so upset about this. They were politely escorting him out and he started flailing his arms and jumping around. I am suprised that it took so many cops, but whatever.

Just because he was shouting "why are you arresting me, help, help, help" didn't mean that they were arresting him. Once he started fighting cops and disturbing the peace then it was time to arrest him. When he started resisting arrest then it was time to escalate the level of force.

That part made it look to me like he was playing for the crowd. I didn't see any indication that they were arresting him, it looked like they wanted to escort him peacefully from the building. He got out his Jump to Conclusions Mat and started flipping out.

that and a few sites make it look like a setup. H knew what he was doing and was planning on getting arrested.

 

[FreshPrince]

saw the video in the news and I gotta say...I didn't think he deserve to be tasered either...

I mean, he went in, asked the question rudely and as soon as he stopped all hell broke lose, which was initiated by the cops. They could've just asked him to step down and escorted him down, but they went overboard. not to mention that fact that with 5-6 cops surrounding him, was there really a need for taser? In all the time that he was pinned down and surrounded, they could've easily slapped cuffs on him, but instead, they wasted all the time and then in the end tasered him anyways. that was cowardly. yes, they were rent-a-cops, not real ones, but that does not excuse them to be completely incompetent.

how could kerry say he didn't know he was being tasered when in the video, he clearly screamed "dude, don't taser me"

I do question 1 thing though....what kind of sh1tty weak taser were those rent-a-cops using? I thought all it takes is to be tasered once and you should be shaking on the floor with no ability to speak or move? yet, with every taser, it just looked like he was poked than tasered. was this staged? now I have never been tasered so I can't really say real or fake, but all the videos I've seen of people being tasered, they didn't act as normally as that student did...

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: lupi
Now on the front page of CNN.

"The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen," Machen said. "That's fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn't happen is what we're trying to sort out."

Meyer had about a minute and a half at the microphone before police stepped in to haul him away. As he tried to escape their grip, Kerry protested, "That's all right, let me answer his question." But as Meyer repeatedly questioned why he was being arrested, officers dragged him to the back of the auditorium and then used a Taser on him when he continued to struggle.[/]

In a statement issued Tuesday, Kerry said he didn't know a Taser had been used on the student until after he left the event, and said he hoped no one was injured.
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," he said.

Now we get to see if the university is fully pussyfied or does the right thing.

Maybe, you should read an eyewitness's account which has already been posted in the thread - http://michellemalkin.com/2007...d-at-john-kerry-forum/

edit - interesting to see that this kid has a pattern of doing this shit

He is actually well known. He is a telecommunications senior at UF.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Um, maybe you missed the part where he broke free and rushed back towards the auditorium ramming several officers in the process. :roll: Also, resisting arrest IS combative.

Also, it doesn't matter if he took a swing. This isn't a UFC match here. The officers are responsible for more than their own safety they have to make sure he isn't going to injur any bystanders.

Anyway, it's always the same three or four of you who come trolling every time there's an incident with the cops. Look, I'm sorry that mean cop snapped your skateboard in half when you were 12 and skating at the library. And when you were blind drunk at that party and stumbling around naked simulating sex acts with the garden gnomes, I too wish the officer would have picked out cooler clothes to wrap you in before hauling you off to the city jail for an hour and half. But you don't need to hold that against them. Really. Let the healing begin.

hmmm interesting...have you seen a doctor about your delusions?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TallBill
I cant believe so many people are so upset about this. They were politely escorting him out and he started flailing his arms and jumping around. I am suprised that it took so many cops, but whatever.

Just because he was shouting "why are you arresting me, help, help, help" didn't mean that they were arresting him. Once he started fighting cops and disturbing the peace then it was time to arrest him. When he started resisting arrest then it was time to escalate the level of force.

That part made it look to me like he was playing for the crowd. I didn't see any indication that they were arresting him, it looked like they wanted to escort him peacefully from the building. He got out his Jump to Conclusions Mat and started flipping out.

Exactly. And I'm guessing that the cops didn't want to be super violent with him to detain him as that would have looked worse, since they didn't appear to want to arrest him for quite a while.

This guy is a drama queen. Hopefully he enjoys prison. I think the video will actually be helpfull for the police department's case. If someone spun around quickly like that failing their arms I would consider it a swing.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Expulsion, prison and a good ass raping will do him some good.

 

[hiromizu]

What a barbarous piece of baggage. They should've thrown him out the window and practice clay shooting.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
saw the video in the news and I gotta say...I didn't think he deserve to be tasered either...

I mean, he went in, asked the question rudely and as soon as he stopped all hell broke lose, which was initiated by the cops. They could've just asked him to step down and escorted him down, but they went overboard. not to mention that fact that with 5-6 cops surrounding him, was there really a need for taser? In all the time that he was pinned down and surrounded, they could've easily slapped cuffs on him, but instead, they wasted all the time and then in the end tasered him anyways. that was cowardly. yes, they were rent-a-cops, not real ones, but that does not excuse them to be completely incompetent.

how could kerry say he didn't know he was being tasered when in the video, he clearly screamed "dude, don't taser me"

I do question 1 thing though....what kind of sh1tty weak taser were those rent-a-cops using? I thought all it takes is to be tasered once and you should be shaking on the floor with no ability to speak or move? yet, with every taser, it just looked like he was poked than tasered. was this staged? now I have never been tasered so I can't really say real or fake, but all the videos I've seen of people being tasered, they didn't act as normally as that student did...

Come on man, get real. They were asking him to leave and he started jumping around. He wasn't just going to walk out, that was his plan all along. And he wasn't pinned down. He wasn't giving up his arms when he was on the ground. Its not like they suprised him with the taser. If he would have just put his arms behind his back, then it wouldn't have led to him being tazed.

They also held the taze on him for a very short duration (~ 1 second). I've seen dozens of people being tazed, and no its not that horrible where you need to cry afterwards. Once again, looking for a reaction.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Marinski

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: Marinski
I think we should be more concerned by the fact that six cops can't take this guy down, cuff him, and take out of there without having to use a taser on him. 6 human beings against 1, you do the math, they shouldn't have had to use a taser. Oh wait I forgot, they are bitch cops.

Have you ever tried to arrest/physically take down a person that does NOT want to go to jail?

No?

Then STFU. You have no idea what people are capable of if you threaten to take away their liberty/freedom. Quit talking out of your ass.

I've never arrested anybody because I'm not a cop you idiot. I have been in physical confrontations with multiple people but thats besides the point. What I do know is that its not tht hard for 6 people to take down 1 person if they know what the hell they are doing.

I beg to differ. Every circumstance is different, and this guy was pulling away HARD and in the process throwing elbows, that is a threat.

You usually like to have one person for each arm, each leg, torso/head. How do you know they don't have a weapon? You don't.

He was being an ass and got tasered. He was like one of the protesting activists that yells excessive force when they get taken down, but it's OK when they are throwing bottles or rocks. "But He wasn't throwing rocks, he was talking and yelling..." save it.

Unless you have ever been on the street (or auditorium in this case) and had to take somebody into custody, you don't have a leg to stand on. It's really easy to armchair these cases, but unless you've been there you have no clue.

Well, if we change the word "custody" to "restrain", then yes, I have had to do this, many, many times. Did you happen to notice the people who were attempting to restrain this individual - they have uniforms on. Know what that means? It means they're police. I used to believe that it also meant that they're trained in restraining someone. What do they do? Hire these people off the street, hand them a badge and a taser and put them to work?? "He was pulling away HARD" gimme a break. I'm not watching the video again, but I can't recall from the first time seeing even one proper restraining technique attempted. They didn't know what they were doing - 4 random people chosen from the street asked to restrain the person should have resulted in the same chaos - but 4 trained police officers should not have had difficulty.


For what it's worth, there was an incredibly similar case to this in the last year or so... I can't remember all of the details (maybe someone else can find it) but it was a councilman who was deemed to be out of order. He went into a rant at the common council meeting, an officer tried to subdue him and remove him, he wouldn't leave for the officer, officer tasered him, he won the ensuing lawsuit.

No, CUSTODY, as in handcuffs. I have been involved in it many many times over the years. One of the most memorable was watching a guy leap onto the hood of a metro officers car as he pulled up onto scene. The perp started attacking said officer so the officer went to town with his baton, but the perp got in too close and the officer had to throw it away. (Literally threw it, as in so it can't be used against him.) That's when the other four of us took him down with the officer, and he put out a 444. You could hear every siren in the city fire up, within seconds lv metro, north las vegas, marshalls, nhp, and sheriff units were on scene.

He was not a large guy, but you do not take chances with your life or your partners. I could care less that this was a college student, if he resists, that's that.

You don't know who the person is, what they may or may not be carrying, what their intentions are, or what they are capable of. Hughes and StPierre from UFC are in the 172# class, do you want to go 1 on 1 with either of them? Probably not.

Once you have somebody go for a knife or gun ON YOU, you tend to not take chances.

I am going back to my original assessment, he was an ass and got tasered for it. It was up to him to walk away and he didn't.

 

[Laminator]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
No, CUSTODY, as in handcuffs. I have been involved in it many many times over the years. One of the most memorable was watching a guy leap onto the hood of a metro officers car as he pulled up onto scene. The perp started attacking said officer so the officer went to town with his baton, but the perp got in too close and the officer had to throw it away. (Literally threw it, as in so it can't be used against him.) That's when the other four of us took him down with the officer, and he put out a 444. You could hear every siren in the city fire up, within seconds lv metro, north las vegas, marshalls, nhp, and sheriff units were on scene.

He was not a large guy, but you do not take chances with your life or your partners. I could care less that this was a college student, if he resists, that's that.

You don't know who the person is, what they may or may not be carrying, what their intentions are, or what they are capable of. Hughes and StPierre from UFC are in the 172# class, do you want to go 1 on 1 with either of them? Probably not.

Once you have somebody go for a knife or gun ON YOU, you tend to not take chances.

I am going back to my original assessment, he was an ass and got tasered for it. It was up to him to walk away and he didn't.

:thumbsup:

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: alkemystDude if you are there to take away one's freedom/liberty I hope the whole place goes off.

That is not the role of a police officer.

They wanted to escort his loud ass out of the building. How is that confiscating his freedom/liberty?

Jeezthus, try and be more edumacated next timez.

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: TallBill
I cant believe so many people are so upset about this. They were politely escorting him out and he started flailing his arms and jumping around. I am suprised that it took so many cops, but whatever.

Just because he was shouting "why are you arresting me, help, help, help" didn't mean that they were arresting him. Once he started fighting cops and disturbing the peace then it was time to arrest him. When he started resisting arrest then it was time to escalate the level of force.

I agree he was an idiot for not complying with the police. I don't see anything wrong with tasering him, as he was definitely resisting arrest. but what i DO take issue with is the fact that he had to be removed in the first place (or arrest him, as he claims)? It didn't appear as if he was getting too far out of line with his questions. Yes, they were presented in a less than polite way, but hardly something that would warrant action. They did not seem bluntly belligerent-- obnoxious maybe, but again, I don't see the serious problem. Plus, the senator apparently didn't mind either, as he has denounced the removal of the individual.

 

[I Saw OJ]

Nelson

/thread

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

I agree he was an idiot for not complying with the police. I don't see anything wrong with tasering him, as he was definitely resisting arrest. but what i DO take issue with is the fact that he had to be removed in the first place (or arrest him, as he claims)? It didn't appear as if he was getting too far out of line with his questions. Yes, they were presented in a less than polite way, but hardly something that would warrant action. They did not seem bluntly belligerent-- obnoxious maybe, but again, I don't see the serious problem. Plus, the senator apparently didn't mind either, as he has denounced the removal of the individual.

Well the reason to give him the boot doesn't really matter to the general public. That's is between the university and whatever standards they uphold for their students.

I guess they had already warned him and asked him to leave.

 

[fallenangel99]

If this guy was black...

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: TallBill
I cant believe so many people are so upset about this. They were politely escorting him out and he started flailing his arms and jumping around. I am suprised that it took so many cops, but whatever.

Just because he was shouting "why are you arresting me, help, help, help" didn't mean that they were arresting him. Once he started fighting cops and disturbing the peace then it was time to arrest him. When he started resisting arrest then it was time to escalate the level of force.

I agree he was an idiot for not complying with the police. I don't see anything wrong with tasering him, as he was definitely resisting arrest. but what i DO take issue with is the fact that he had to be removed in the first place (or arrest him, as he claims)? It didn't appear as if he was getting too far out of line with his questions. Yes, they were presented in a less than polite way, but hardly something that would warrant action. They did not seem bluntly belligerent-- obnoxious maybe, but again, I don't see the serious problem. Plus, the senator apparently didn't mind either, as he has denounced the removal of the individual.

That kid was there to make a scene plain and simple. He was worked up when he got to the mic and he had a bone to pick. Based on his actions I can't see any other way for this situation to have ended up.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
If this guy was black...

...he would have had darker skin

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
If this guy was black...

...he would have had darker skin

If only there weren't so many liberals.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Injury
It would be interesting for the people replying saying whether he deserved it or not to say if they feel they are liberal or conservative.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if this were a republican speaking, people would be saying that he was being oppressed for a legitimate protest or something.


Nonetheless, I don't know the premise of the speech or what happened beforehand, but it seemed very rude and they were right to remove him. I don't agree with the tasering, but the point of tasering someone is to subdue them to a controllable state.

I don't see at all why this would be a lib/conservative issue. The questions he was asking Kerry were not relevant to either party in particular. "Is it true you and bush were frat brothers at yale?" <<<<< irrelevant

I know it's not relevant, I'm just simply curious if there is a correlation and if who was speaking my have some connection. I mean, unless we rigged the exact same situation with a republican and some random control group it wouldn't be a fair survey anyway.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Injury
It would be interesting for the people replying saying whether he deserved it or not to say if they feel they are liberal or conservative.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if this were a republican speaking, people would be saying that he was being oppressed for a legitimate protest or something.


Nonetheless, I don't know the premise of the speech or what happened beforehand, but it seemed very rude and they were right to remove him. I don't agree with the tasering, but the point of tasering someone is to subdue them to a controllable state.

Please, don't spew that crap. I'm very conservative. The cops went way overboard on this. This was an open forum, where questions were encouraged. Why did the cops feel justified to remove him when he asked that question? Are stupid questions not allowed anymore?

Also, did you see the same thing occur when three liberal wackos stormed in the Congressional interviewing of General Peitrus last week? No. And they deserved it more than this guy ever did.

It was merely a statement of curiosity and the trend of disdain for one side over the other on the forum.

... and regarding the Gen. Peitrus hearing... the joke is on the protestors there... AFAIK they were charged with contempt of court... after the legal ramifications of that they'll probably wish they were tasered and fine and peachy within an hour.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
If this guy was black...

...he would have had darker skin

If only there weren't so many liberals.

I'm liberal because skin color wouldn't influence my opinion on this situation? :Q

 

[rpl318]

"Don't taze me bro!!" LOL!!!!!!

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
If this guy was black...

...he would have had darker skin

If only there weren't so many liberals.

I'm liberal because skin color wouldn't influence my opinion on this situation? :Q

Missing what I was saying ftl.

 

[Chiboy]

Kerry was ready to answer too...