UF student gets tasered at John Kerrys speech while asking a question

[lupi]

One thing most of those idiots with a badge like to forget, is that when a couple guys sat around some old wooden table in Philadelphia the concept they were constructing is that all people are equal. The degree to which many of them seem to wallow in a testosterone injection once they become badged is getting absurd.

I've been to more large gatherings where some noted person will speak than I'd care to admit. Regardless of the group that makes up the audience, there will always be at least one person that goes talking either the dumbest shit you've ever heard or goes on a blabbering ramble. At no point does anyone in such a position deserve to be threatened with arrest or physically harmed. At the end of the video they cut the mic and he starts to walk away, short of him brandishing a weapon and threatening someone in no way should the scene have resulted in the brainless badge wonders holding him down and using a tazer.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: Marinski
I think we should be more concerned by the fact that six cops can't take this guy down, cuff him, and take out of there without having to use a taser on him. 6 human beings against 1, you do the math, they shouldn't have had to use a taser. Oh wait I forgot, they are bitch cops.

Have you ever tried to arrest/physically take down a person that does NOT want to go to jail?

No?

Then STFU. You have no idea what people are capable of if you threaten to take away their liberty/freedom. Quit talking out of your ass.

 

[Marinski]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: Marinski
I think we should be more concerned by the fact that six cops can't take this guy down, cuff him, and take out of there without having to use a taser on him. 6 human beings against 1, you do the math, they shouldn't have had to use a taser. Oh wait I forgot, they are bitch cops.

Have you ever tried to arrest/physically take down a person that does NOT want to go to jail?

No?

Then STFU. You have no idea what people are capable of if you threaten to take away their liberty/freedom. Quit talking out of your ass.

I've never arrested anybody because I'm not a cop you idiot. I have been in physical confrontations with multiple people but thats besides the point. What I do know is that its not tht hard for 6 people to take down 1 person if they know what the hell they are doing.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Marinski

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: Marinski
I think we should be more concerned by the fact that six cops can't take this guy down, cuff him, and take out of there without having to use a taser on him. 6 human beings against 1, you do the math, they shouldn't have had to use a taser. Oh wait I forgot, they are bitch cops.

Have you ever tried to arrest/physically take down a person that does NOT want to go to jail?

No?

Then STFU. You have no idea what people are capable of if you threaten to take away their liberty/freedom. Quit talking out of your ass.

I've never arrested anybody because I'm not a cop you idiot. I have been in physical confrontations with multiple people but thats besides the point. What I do know is that its not tht hard for 6 people to take down 1 person if they know what the hell they are doing.

it is very hard to get the hands around the back and keep from getting hurt if the person getting arrested is grabbing chairs and fighting.

Sure they could have got him subdued. They could have used tactics that have a possibility of causing more damage to him and the officers then the tazer.

Pepper spray couldnt be used. to many people around that would have been effected. They could have taken out nightsticks and beat his hands and arms but then you run the risk of breaking his hands etc. trying to muscle him into position could get an officer hurt.

 

[jjones]

They need to put away the tasers and go back to using billy clubs.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Reading some of the YouTube comments really irk me. Police state, Nazi's, etc...

It's youtube...what do you expect?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: FallenHero
Nice to see Cogman talking out his ass when it comes to anything police related.

Nice to see a contributing member of the forum nef. Thanks for all you added to this thread.

Did the police use excessive force? Yes, there where 5 of them to one guy, he was on his front (not his back) when they tasered him, they almost had him cuffed as well. There was no threat from him and as a result of the polices stupidity this guy is probably going to get a lighter sentence and one of the cops fired.

Wrong. We are fully justified to use a taser when a person is actively resisting arrest. You have NO idea what you are talking about. The guy was not fully restrained nor was he compliant. Fighting with a person usually will result in greater injuries to BOTH the cops and the person resisting. A taser solves that problem quickly and without any lasting harm. You take away my taser, fighting with you might result in a wrist being broken or various muscles being torn. It's not a threat, it's a statement of fact. When you actually wrestle with someone who doesn't want to be arrested, come talk to me about what is justified and what isn't. Until then, don't talk out of your ass about things you know nothing about.

/thread

and one badass burn to Cogman

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: eits
"help! help! i'm being repressed!"

wow, no one gets the joke?

shame on all of you...

I got it, but I felt more obliged to point out that the smackdown had been applied to Cogman.

Well done however. :thumbsup:

 

[Boztech]

what's with the totally misleading thread title?

 

[lupi]

Now on the front page of CNN.

"The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen," Machen said. "That's fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn't happen is what we're trying to sort out."

Meyer had about a minute and a half at the microphone before police stepped in to haul him away. As he tried to escape their grip, Kerry protested, "That's all right, let me answer his question." But as Meyer repeatedly questioned why he was being arrested, officers dragged him to the back of the auditorium and then used a Taser on him when he continued to struggle.[/]

In a statement issued Tuesday, Kerry said he didn't know a Taser had been used on the student until after he left the event, and said he hoped no one was injured.
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," he said.

Now we get to see if the university is fully pussyfied or does the right thing.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: lupi
Now on the front page of CNN.

"The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen," Machen said. "That's fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn't happen is what we're trying to sort out."

Meyer had about a minute and a half at the microphone before police stepped in to haul him away. As he tried to escape their grip, Kerry protested, "That's all right, let me answer his question." But as Meyer repeatedly questioned why he was being arrested, officers dragged him to the back of the auditorium and then used a Taser on him when he continued to struggle.[/]

In a statement issued Tuesday, Kerry said he didn't know a Taser had been used on the student until after he left the event, and said he hoped no one was injured.
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," he said.

Now we get to see if the university is fully pussyfied or does the right thing.

Maybe, you should read an eyewitness's account which has already been posted in the thread - http://michellemalkin.com/2007...d-at-john-kerry-forum/

edit - interesting to see that this kid has a pattern of doing this shit

 

[DrPizza]

1. Those are the most incompetent police I've ever seen in regard to their ability to physically restrain a person. It looks like they never went through any training, or if they did, they didn't take it seriously/didn't try very hard.

2. There are two types of resisting arrest - he was *not* combative with the police - he was not trying to hit the police. The police were never threatened with harm from this person. He was merely trying to prevent them from cuffing him. Not once did he swing at police.

3. In conclusion to #2, tasering was not justified.

This would have been completely avoided if the police were competent. Since I'm going to be asked, no, I'm not, nor have I been a police officer trying to restrain someone and arrest them. However, yes, I have worked with the mentally challenged - I *have* received extensive training in physical holds and restraining. In my old position, I did have to physically restrain people on dozens (hundreds?) of times. Many of these individuals possessed a great deal of strength; well above that of an average adult male. 1 on 1, the proper training saved my butt many times. However, with other trained staff available to assist, the incidents were barely a footnote. If 3, or more police cannot get a pair of handcuffs on someone (and that someone isn't abnormally strong), then those 3 people should consider a different profession. I used to think that there were physical requirements to get onto police forces.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
This would have been completely avoided if the police were competent.

Along with his other explanations, 1000% agree and the premise of my statements.

 

[Rastus]

Leave Andrew alone!

 

[Capt Caveman]

They should have tazered him when he barged in and cut the line of students waiting to ask a question. Hope he gets booted from school.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
2. There are two types of resisting arrest - he was *not* combative with the police - he was not trying to hit the police. The police were never threatened with harm from this person. He was merely trying to prevent them from cuffing him. Not once did he swing at police.

Um, maybe you missed the part where he broke free and rushed back towards the auditorium ramming several officers in the process. :roll: Also, resisting arrest IS combative.

Also, it doesn't matter if he took a swing. This isn't a UFC match here. The officers are responsible for more than their own safety they have to make sure he isn't going to injur any bystanders.

Anyway, it's always the same three or four of you who come trolling every time there's an incident with the cops. Look, I'm sorry that mean cop snapped your skateboard in half when you were 12 and skating at the library. And when you were blind drunk at that party and stumbling around naked simulating sex acts with the garden gnomes, I too wish the officer would have picked out cooler clothes to wrap you in before hauling you off to the city jail for an hour and half. But you don't need to hold that against them. Really. Let the healing begin.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: Marinski

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: Marinski
I think we should be more concerned by the fact that six cops can't take this guy down, cuff him, and take out of there without having to use a taser on him. 6 human beings against 1, you do the math, they shouldn't have had to use a taser. Oh wait I forgot, they are bitch cops.

Have you ever tried to arrest/physically take down a person that does NOT want to go to jail?

No?

Then STFU. You have no idea what people are capable of if you threaten to take away their liberty/freedom. Quit talking out of your ass.

I've never arrested anybody because I'm not a cop you idiot. I have been in physical confrontations with multiple people but thats besides the point. What I do know is that its not tht hard for 6 people to take down 1 person if they know what the hell they are doing.

I beg to differ. Every circumstance is different, and this guy was pulling away HARD and in the process throwing elbows, that is a threat.

You usually like to have one person for each arm, each leg, torso/head. How do you know they don't have a weapon? You don't.

He was being an ass and got tasered. He was like one of the protesting activists that yells excessive force when they get taken down, but it's OK when they are throwing bottles or rocks. "But He wasn't throwing rocks, he was talking and yelling..." save it.

Unless you have ever been on the street (or auditorium in this case) and had to take somebody into custody, you don't have a leg to stand on. It's really easy to armchair these cases, but unless you've been there you have no clue.

 

[FoBoT]

it was a setup job
http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/

 

[abaez]

Originally posted by: mugs
What was the kid charged with?

Anyone?

Originally posted by: Balt
He was not cuffed when he was tasered. You can clearly see his hand up on the armrest of a chair after he pulled it away from an officer trying to cuff him.

In this case it looks like their actions were justified. The kid doesn't seem very balanced and he was resisting. If he had done as they asked from the beginning he probably just would have been escorted out. It actually seems like he wanted to get himself on national TV by the way he was acting.

From the michelle malkin website linked:

'"The other videos do not show that Meyer was handcuffed, before he was tasered. I sat in the back row, with this occuring less than 5 feet from me.?'

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: abaez

Originally posted by: mugs
What was the kid charged with?

Anyone?

Meyer was charged with resisting arrest with violence -- a felony -- and a misdemeanor count of disturbing the peace.

 

[abaez]

.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: abaez
.

Disturbing the peace. He did barge in, cut the line of students waiting to ask a question and grabbed the mic.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Injury
It would be interesting for the people replying saying whether he deserved it or not to say if they feel they are liberal or conservative.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if this were a republican speaking, people would be saying that he was being oppressed for a legitimate protest or something.


Nonetheless, I don't know the premise of the speech or what happened beforehand, but it seemed very rude and they were right to remove him. I don't agree with the tasering, but the point of tasering someone is to subdue them to a controllable state.

Please, don't spew that crap. I'm very conservative. The cops went way overboard on this. This was an open forum, where questions were encouraged. Why did the cops feel justified to remove him when he asked that question? Are stupid questions not allowed anymore?

Also, did you see the same thing occur when three liberal wackos stormed in the Congressional interviewing of General Peitrus last week? No. And they deserved it more than this guy ever did.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Marinski

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: Marinski
I think we should be more concerned by the fact that six cops can't take this guy down, cuff him, and take out of there without having to use a taser on him. 6 human beings against 1, you do the math, they shouldn't have had to use a taser. Oh wait I forgot, they are bitch cops.

Have you ever tried to arrest/physically take down a person that does NOT want to go to jail?

No?

Then STFU. You have no idea what people are capable of if you threaten to take away their liberty/freedom. Quit talking out of your ass.

I've never arrested anybody because I'm not a cop you idiot. I have been in physical confrontations with multiple people but thats besides the point. What I do know is that its not tht hard for 6 people to take down 1 person if they know what the hell they are doing.

I beg to differ. Every circumstance is different, and this guy was pulling away HARD and in the process throwing elbows, that is a threat.

You usually like to have one person for each arm, each leg, torso/head. How do you know they don't have a weapon? You don't.

He was being an ass and got tasered. He was like one of the protesting activists that yells excessive force when they get taken down, but it's OK when they are throwing bottles or rocks. "But He wasn't throwing rocks, he was talking and yelling..." save it.

Unless you have ever been on the street (or auditorium in this case) and had to take somebody into custody, you don't have a leg to stand on. It's really easy to armchair these cases, but unless you've been there you have no clue.

Well, if we change the word "custody" to "restrain", then yes, I have had to do this, many, many times. Did you happen to notice the people who were attempting to restrain this individual - they have uniforms on. Know what that means? It means they're police. I used to believe that it also meant that they're trained in restraining someone. What do they do? Hire these people off the street, hand them a badge and a taser and put them to work?? "He was pulling away HARD" gimme a break. I'm not watching the video again, but I can't recall from the first time seeing even one proper restraining technique attempted. They didn't know what they were doing - 4 random people chosen from the street asked to restrain the person should have resulted in the same chaos - but 4 trained police officers should not have had difficulty.


For what it's worth, there was an incredibly similar case to this in the last year or so... I can't remember all of the details (maybe someone else can find it) but it was a councilman who was deemed to be out of order. He went into a rant at the common council meeting, an officer tried to subdue him and remove him, he wouldn't leave for the officer, officer tasered him, he won the ensuing lawsuit.

 

[TallBill]

I cant believe so many people are so upset about this. They were politely escorting him out and he started flailing his arms and jumping around. I am suprised that it took so many cops, but whatever.

Just because he was shouting "why are you arresting me, help, help, help" didn't mean that they were arresting him. Once he started fighting cops and disturbing the peace then it was time to arrest him. When he started resisting arrest then it was time to escalate the level of force.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: TallBill
I cant believe so many people are so upset about this. They were politely escorting him out and he started flailing his arms and jumping around. I am suprised that it took so many cops, but whatever.

Just because he was shouting "why are you arresting me, help, help, help" didn't mean that they were arresting him. Once he started fighting cops and disturbing the peace then it was time to arrest him. When he started resisting arrest then it was time to escalate the level of force.

That part made it look to me like he was playing for the crowd. I didn't see any indication that they were arresting him, it looked like they wanted to escort him peacefully from the building. He got out his Jump to Conclusions Mat and started flipping out.