U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt has been stormed

[Geosurface]

As someone else said, it isn't just a couple of extremist retards in Egypt, Libya, etc.

In the Islamic world, the percentages are almost exactly flipped. A handful of clear-thinking, moderate Muslims, and then a whole huge ass shit load of extremist, violent retards.

Those enlightened Muslims have my sympathy. If they were all that way, or if 70% of them were that way, perhaps things could be different. I would like that.

That is not the situation though, and the Islam we are actually confronted with, not the one we wish we were... requires a more blunt response. A response which, unfortunately, I don't think this country will ever muster the will and clarity to do.

Someone else said that people stop taking Islam seriously when exposed to western lifestyle, technology, etc... oh if only it were so. For some percentage? Sure. Not nearly high enough. Look at the gang rape epidemic across Europe, look at the honor killings... they bring this ideology with them, and those who step out of line within their ranks face the harshest punishments of all.

Someone also said that they aren't organized or advanced enough to overtake anything, ah but all they have to do is outbreed and immigrate... which is exactly what they're doing. Another necessary ingredient is a huge number of spineless liberals in their target countries who will provide them cover all the way. I know EXACTLY how these people think and how crippled from seeing reality they are because I was *very* recently one of them.

The answer to this enormous threat of Islam is: atheism, western civilization, technology, and a breath-taking willingness to do horrendous violence on a large scale.

 

[yllus]

Wow, all involved in the film should be arrested on murder charges. Thats fucking insane if true.

Don't be an idiot. You should always feel as free as you'd like to publish works of fiction or art that aim to offend others. In return those others may shun you, bar your travel to their country and loudly condemn you, but they do not have the right to take your life.

 

[Incorruptible]

You know what buddy, FUCK YOU AND YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIC ASS.

I am not an Islamophobe, why are you getting angry :\

The protesters in Egypt did very little other than make noise and destroy a flag. Big deal.

I don't fear them and I certainly don't fear you.

They DESECRATED AN AMERICAN FLAG, They will be a threat later on, why would you fear me, I am peaceful person who wont harm anyone

 

[yllus]

They DESECRATED AN AMERICAN FLAG, They will be a threat later on, why would you fear me, I am peaceful person who wont harm anyone

It's a piece of fabric, you moron.

 

[Nebor]

The answer to this enormous threat of Islam is: atheism, western civilization, technology, and a breath-taking willingness to do horrendous violence on a large scale.

This is excellent. The absolute truth, devoid of any rationalization or allowance for those that would exterminate us were they in our position.

 

[Nebor]

You know what buddy, FUCK YOU AND YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIC ASS.

The protesters in Egypt did very little other than make noise and destroy a flag. Big deal.

I don't fear them and I certainly don't fear you.

Climb my wall? Destroy my flag? Aggress against a nation that has attempted to support you? You're making a statement, and setting an example that you're willing to attack me and my values. And I'll kill you for it without a second thought.

 

[spacejamz]

It's a piece of fabric, you moron.

the quran is just a book then, right??

 

[IGBT]

we let the islamic "progressives" take over Libya and look what happens.

 

[EagleKeeper]

He wasn't merely exercising his freedom of speech, this wasn't an honest film picking apart the flaws of Islam, the whole point of the film was to incite violence and help Israel gain additional political leverage.

You rightwing extremists and Jihadists deserve each other. It seems you both benefit from each other's insanity.

What ever the intention of the film; there is a right to make the film.

To blame one for the deliberate actions of another is excusing those actions.

How many people were killed as a result of the Da Vinci code.
Or the movie the Mel Gibson made about Christ.

Many Christians were up in arms; threats were made; the Vatican marshalled resources to discredit the book.
then the movie came out and the recoil by the pious was even worse.

Yet Brown's house was not torched; his family attacked, etc.

It si the fault of the religion and interpretation of it; not the the people that may be exposing dirty secrets.

Attack the message, not the messenger.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Climb my wall? Destroy my flag? Aggress against a nation that has attempted to support you? You're making a statement, and setting an example that you're willing to attack me and my values. And I'll kill you for it without a second thought.

And that is the difference between you and I.
There are certainly things in life worth killing over, a flag and angry words are not among them.

the quran is just a book then, right??

Yes it is.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You're making a statement, and setting an example that you're willing to attack me and my values. And I'll kill you for it without a second thought.

Sounds like you are the same as the radicals, but even worse.
Because your in a place where you can do a lot of damage, and you come from a background of opportunity and advancement that most of those radicals can only dream of

 

[jackstar7]

A team of therapists could retire from the treatment required of most of the people posting in this thread.

 

[Jaskalas]

Heh
How come when thousands of Egyptian Muslims show up as human shields to defend Coptic Christians we don't praise Islam as the Savoir religion?

That was a very heart warming moment.

Yet if I ask, who owns the streets of Egypt? I'm afraid of what the answer will be.

 

[monovillage]

Let's see. American embassies get stormed in different countries. In one they destroy an American flag and in the other they isolate and murder an ambassador and staff. Then the liberals and leftists on this forum attack other Americans for expressing anger and blame Americans for not being sensitive to the Muslim religion? Great stuff.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You know what buddy, FUCK YOU AND YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIC ASS.

The protesters in Egypt did very little other than make noise and destroy a flag. Big deal.

I don't fear them and I certainly don't fear you.

It ws the symbolism and precedent that has been set.

Attack another embassy via a mob
tear down the embassy flag
install a flag of the enemy of the embassy
Local government conspires to allow the attack on the embassy

where do you draw the line.

If this is considered OK; can they then break all the way into the embassy next time
Can they ignore diplomatic immunity next time.

 

[Nebor]

And that is the difference between you and I.
There are certainly things in life worth killing over, a flag and angry words are not among them.



Yes it is.

Destroying the flag in the circumstances it was done in is a direct attack on freedom, something that is absolutely worth killing for.

 

[Nebor]

Sounds like you are the same as the radicals, but even worse.
Because your in a place where you can do a lot of damage, and you come from a background of opportunity and advancement that most of those radicals can only dream of

What am I going to do, mess up their mud huts? This place is a shithole. There's nothing to damage except the things we've given them.

The rest of your post isn't even worth addressing. Defending freedom vs. attacking it. That simple.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Destroying the flag in the circumstances it was done in is a direct attack on freedom, something that is absolutely worth killing for.

You could say that flag is like a religious symbol to some people, and that some people have just replaced religion with patriotism

 

[SheHateMe]

I look at things like this the same way I do for those Black Americans that ruin it for the rest of us. When you have a large minority that loves to act up and make the entire group look bad...your reputation will forever be tarnished. No doubt, there are tons of peaceful Muslims out there..however, the only people who will get the attention are the ones who are radical and violent. This paints the entire group with a broad brush.

You know how many people tell me I don't act like a typical black person? Always puzzles me...but of course, If I turn on the news..Jerome and Tyreeka are there setting the standard for what Im supposed to be.


So..you know..I hope this ends soon, 4 people have already died 🙁

 

[Nebor]

You could say that flag is like a religious symbol to some people, and that some people have just replaced religion with patriotism

I disagree. You can burn a flag in protest, and that's one thing. You brought the flag, it's yours, you're expressing your displeasure with whatever country. There's no circumstance in which you burn a Koran and Muslims worldwide don't go apeshit.

But taking an official flag down from American soil after breaking into a place? That's something totally different.

 

[child of wonder]

Let's see. American embassies get stormed in different countries. In one they destroy an American flag and in the other they isolate and murder an ambassador and staff. Then the liberals and leftists on this forum attack other Americans for expressing anger and blame Americans for not being sensitive to the Muslim religion? Great stuff.

When a friend of mine called Obama a "punk bitch" for "allowing" the Egyptian embassy to be stormed then when I pointed out that the fallout from killing hundreds of civilians probably wasn't worth defending the embassy which was why it was evacuated he replied with "I don't care if 10 beloved patriot Muslims die or 10,000. You keep shooting until they leave."

The level of hate and vitriol is what concerns me, personally, since people who feel as he does are the Christian reflection of the protesters in the Middle East.

The man who made the film insulting Mohammed had every right to do so and we cannot excuse the despicable actions of those who have resorted to violence over this film. However, we cannot lower ourselves to their level and talk of, as some have, nuking the entire Middle East, killing civilians indiscriminately, etc.

I am NOT sensitive to the Muslim religion and I think it is a scourge. But I don't hate Muslims and wish them all dead.

 

[Geosurface]

Here's a little analogy.

Islam is the crazed intruder who just broke into our house.

Liberals are the wife, Conservatives are the husband. The intruder is screaming at the top of his lungs, waving around a knife and acting frantic. The couple are backing away from him and for the moment he seems distracted by his own rantings.

The husband and wife have a few moments to strategize quietly under their breath without him noticing...

Husband: "He's distracted, I think I can get that knife away from him"

Wife:"No! are you crazy? He just wants some money, don't do anything stupid"

Husband: "I think he's going to kill us if I don't stop him, I'm going to try for the knife, go upstairs and get the pistol in case I fail"

Wife: "Noooo! Can't you see he is just scared and confused? Let's just give him some money. Here, sir! sir! here's $200, it's all we have on us, please take it!"

Intruder: "Allah hu ackbar!" (continues waving knife around in crazed fashion)

Husband: "See? he didn't just want money, he means to kill us. Now's the time to strike"

Wife: "Nooo! just wait, wait. Sir! sir! Let me bake you a pie! here... it's done, please have this pie"

Intruder: "Allah hu ackbar!" (continues waving knife around in crazed fashion)

Husband: "I'm telling you, he wants to kill us, he doesn't care about money or pie"

Wife: "No! That can't be it! He is just scared, I know why he's scared! He's scared because you are looking at him that way, he can tell you are planning something, we have to show him we mean him no harm! Please! Trust me on this! Sir! sir! we mean you no harm! Don't you see? Honey, lay down on the floor fast first like I am, please, that will show him we aren't a threat"

Husband: "I can't believe I'm agreeing to this."

*Husband and wife lay down face first, intruder hog ties them*

Husband: "Now we're defenseless, he's going to kill us"

Wife: "No he isn't! We're no longer a threat, oh see? see? he's getting ready to rape me! That's all he wanted was some sex, he's probably very lonely, once he's done you'll see, he'll leave us in peace. Okay there, he's done. Happy to help sir!"

Husband: "Well now he's got the knife to my throat... and he's killing me, dear."

Wife: "Oh my, yes he is... and now he's coming over to do the same to me. What did we do wrong? What else could we have done to make him feel more at ease... oh my, I appear to be blacking out now... blood loss... maybe I should've let my husband try for that... knife"

The end.

Former fellow liberals: Please come to your senses faster than that. Relocate your balls, stop apologizing for being part of the greatest civilization the world has ever known, and if you want to defend what we've fought for (women's rights, religious freedom, freedom of speech, choice, gay rights) then wake the fuck up, and recognize you are facing something that doesn't fit into your framework. A real threat, people who actually still have passionate superstitious belief, something many of us left behind so long ago, or never felt.

 

[Geosurface]

When a friend of mine called Obama a "punk bitch" for "allowing" the Egyptian embassy to be stormed then when I pointed out that the fallout from killing hundreds of civilians probably wasn't worth defending the embassy which was why it was evacuated he replied with "I don't care if 10 beloved patriot Muslims die or 10,000. You keep shooting until they leave."

The level of hate and vitriol is what concerns me, personally, since people who feel as he does are the Christian reflection of the protesters in the Middle East.

The man who made the film insulting Mohammed had every right to do so and we cannot excuse the despicable actions of those who have resorted to violence over this film. However, we cannot lower ourselves to their level and talk of, as some have, nuking the entire Middle East, killing civilians indiscriminately, etc.

I am NOT sensitive to the Muslim religion and I think it is a scourge. But I don't hate Muslims and wish them all dead.

Unfortunately, much as I can't believe I've come around to thinking this way... your friend is right.

Violence is the only universal language we have to communicate with these extremists. They perceive our efforts at cultural bridge-building as weakness, and a sign that we are ripe for the conquest.

We need to remind them why they became insecure about their accomplishments compared to ours. We need to remind them why they hate us.

Maybe nuking the whole middle east isn't required, perhaps Mecca would suffice. Maybe that would demonstrate that their religion can't be true. Probably not though, irrational belief tends to be immune from reality. That might spark some doubts though... but even if they dropped Islam they'd still be a bunch of primitive screwheads.

 

[child of wonder]

Unfortunately, much as I can't believe I've come around to thinking this way... your friend is right.

Violence is the only universal language we have to communicate with these extremists. They perceive our efforts at cultural bridge-building as weakness, and a sign that we are ripe for the conquest.

We need to remind them why they became insecure about their accomplishments compared to ours. We need to remind them why they hate us.

Maybe nuking the whole middle east isn't required, perhaps Mecca would suffice. Maybe that would demonstrate that their religion can't be true. Probably not though, irrational belief tends to be immune from reality. That might spark some doubts though... but even if they dropped Islam they'd still be a bunch of primitive screwheads.

I can't agree. I say they made their bed and we let them lie in it. Pull all aid, support, and protection from the Middle East and let them wallow in their Islamic dreamland. Let's stop purchasing any oil from the entire Gulf region.

If they lash out at us or make plans to lash out at us, we should definitely defend ourselves with lethal force. In the mean time, fuck the Middle East and fuck Islam.

 

[Geosurface]

I can't agree. I say they made their bed and we let them lie in it. Pull all aid, support, and protection from the Middle East and let them wallow in their Islamic dreamland. Let's stop purchasing any oil from the entire Gulf region.

If they lash out at us or make plans to lash out at us, we should definitely defend ourselves with lethal force. In the mean time, fuck the Middle East and fuck Islam.

Yea I'll agree with that.

I do worry that we've already swatted the hornet's nest too many times for that to work anymore. There was a time for what you propose, and it was many decades ago.

I still agree with what you're saying, but I just fear that at this point vengeance, and momentum will drive it forward even if we try to wash our hands of it now.

And what about Europe? Do we just sit back and watch them fall? Look at the data on native European birth rates, compared to Islamic birth rates, immigration, etc.

Remember when the Taliban blew up those Buddhist statues in Afghanistan and the west was outraged?

Within your lifetime, you may see the great art and history of Europe treated in much the same way. I hope I'm wrong.