U-MD gone the way of Mizzou

[pauldun170]

Sure, but the point I'm sure that was being made, is that Asians don't seem to need any special demands JUST for being Asian. It's ALMOST as if their race itself isn't some kind of a 'handicap' that needs anyone to address it specifically. Like being 'Asian' means you require 'special needs'. Kind of the way people of all races (and religions) should actually start learning to see themselves in what actually WOULD be a world where equality actually meant equality.

But we're far from there yet, a lot of people want to go backward, and so we get shit like this.

But I get it. College probably isn't all that interesting for some if it's just learning shit, taking/passing tests, studying, getting on with it. Being an underprivileged victim of a system that's out to get you is probably a lot more fun- even if you have to manufacture a lot of your 'underprivileged-ness' and make vapid demands of everyone.

When you say Asian, are you referring to all Asians or just Asians from select countries?
Just want to make sure we are on the same page.

 

[jackstar7]

When you say Asian, are you referring to all Asians or just Asians from select countries?
Just want to make sure we are on the same page.

I know the answer!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Do you consider intolerance and bigotry protected as "uncomfortable"?

Who gets to decide what is intolerant and bigoted? That is quite the slippery slope, and abused far too often to silence debate.

Within the context of free speech, there needs to be tolerance of intolerance. At institutions of higher learning, there is more to gain from staring evil in the face and understanding how otherwise rational people are able to embrace irrational and hateful things.

Creating safe spaces and accomodating "feelings" are contrary to the values of a free society.

 

[pauldun170]

Which Asian is best Asian?

Implement Queer-Inclusive Training
34. Mandated faculty training in the fundamentals of campus inclusion of queer folks.

Remi Liang, who identifies as genderqueer, only comes out to their professors in LGBT Studies classes.


The senior mechanical engineering major said they are scared to tell them – and that’s a problem.

ProtectUMD is demanding the university train faculty in the “fundamentals of campus inclusion of queer folks.”

LGBT Equity Center Director Luke Jensen said this demand is not realistic because mandating faculty to undergo any sort of training is “very difficult."

"At current levels of resources, it’s simply not possible,” Jensen said. “Who would do it?”

But the Equity Center does offer the Rainbow Terrapin Network Training, an event that draws attention to how to approach the problems facing the LGBT community in a sensitive way.

They plan to make this more widely available by moving it to an online platform.

“This coming semester, rather than in-person trainings, we’re going to be focused more on webinars so that we can reach larger numbers of people,” Jensen said.

Including Pronouns
38. Including pronouns in addition to names on student rosters seen by faculty and advisors.
Remi Liang, who identifies as genderqueer, which means their gender identity does not fall inside the presumed male-female binary, doesn’t come out to their professors unless it’s in a LGBT studies class.

“I am scared enough by telling my teachers,” the senior mechanical engineering major said. “Which says something about the problem.”

Past professors have misgendered Liang, so they said including preferred pronouns on student rosters seen by professors, as ProtectUMD has demanded, would help promote “human decency.”

“You aren’t going to hang out with someone and just call them ‘it,’” they said. “You know this person has a position of power over you and they are blatantly disrespecting you; it just makes people feel bad.”

 

[jackstar7]

Who gets to decide what is intolerant and bigoted? That is quite the slippery slope, and abused far too often to silence debate.

Within the context of free speech, there needs to be tolerance of intolerance. At institutions of higher learning, there is more to gain from staring evil in the face and understanding how otherwise rational people are able to embrace irrational and hateful things.

Creating safe spaces and accomodating "feelings" are contrary to the values of a free society.

I'll take that as a yes then.

Tolerance of intolerance? Fuck.

 

[agent00f]

Well that and a devotion to STEM education and economic achievement via hard work. If you are the kind of person who values people based on their salary then on average Asians are highly valued.

Substantially true with 1st/2nd gen asians before they start becoming american, even if the latter benefit from the stereotype for better or worse, ie. bamboo ceiling.

The music doesn't matter. American conservatives have been listening to and supporting the "black man's music" called Rock and Roll for decades. Here in Texas many younger conservatives love to blast rap music from their duelie trucks. They can relate to the consumeristic message of machoism and misogyny in the music, which then frames the struggles of American Americans in the same way they look at frat hazing.

Americans have had over a century of training of taking what they like from minority cultures while demanding conformity for the rest. It is folly to assume that loyalty to the output of a marginalized group directly leads to sympathy for them. If Americans of all types weren't masters at disassociating themselves from the means of their consumption then buying American made goods to avoid child labor overseas wouldn't be the nod and wink joke it is, it would be a moral imperative.

The conservative dually owners still largely blast country, and their type of rock if not country isn't exactly little richard but stem more from what elvis appropriated though of course ironic exceptions certainly exist.

Interestingly, it's IME the south that's made the most racial progress due to the natural of oft forced integration; more so than the de facto segregated rust belt, where empirical studies suggest Trump's anti-mexican/migrant message resonate even more than along the border where they actually work/reside.

 

[agent00f]

Confucian culture. Confucianism is very hierarchial, it basically tells people to always obey and always defer to people higher up in the totem pole. This makes for more stability, but it means that Asians don't have the fire that other cultures find attractive.

Do you actually believe this hilarious garbage or only expect others to?

When you say Asian, are you referring to all Asians or just Asians from select countries?
Just want to make sure we are on the same page.

Of course he means the math nerd east asians whose parents came for STEM grad school. You know the ones who have income somewhat higher than the white average despite much higher educational attainment.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'll take that as a yes then.

Tolerance of intolerance? Fuck.

Who gets to decide what constitutes intolerance?

 

[pauldun170]

Who gets to decide what constitutes intolerance?

 

[Starbuck1975]

So does this mean you will go mental if I declare that Caitlyn Jenner is not a hero? I bet you rock a sweet pair of Oakleys.

I am glad you linked to South Park, because as always, Parker and Stone brilliantly balanced the occasional tone deafness of white America with the ridiculousness and hyper sensitivity of some SJWs.

 

[agent00f]

So does this mean you will go mental if I declare that Caitlyn Jenner is not a hero? I bet you rock a sweet pair of Oakleys.

I am glad you linked to South Park, because as always, Parker and Stone brilliantly balanced the occasional tone deafness of white America with the ridiculousness and hyper sensitivity of some SJWs.

Pretty revealing that you're one of the harshest critics of conservatives among them.

 

[pauldun170]

This might help some of you build your arguments
https://www.britannica.com/topic/toleration
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/25998-the-so-called-paradox-of-freedom-is-the-argument-that-freedom

I have standards and some of you are posting nonsense
I am not very tolerant of bullshit arguments and posts.
Unless they make me laugh or help expose my bullshit posts

Pauldun170 - Empowering the people

 

[jackstar7]

Who gets to decide what constitutes intolerance?

I will, for one. It is being treated like shit for something that a person has no choice in: skin color, eye color, height, sexual attraction, gender, etc.

Got anything better?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Pretty revealing that you're one of the harshest critics of conservatives among them.

What does that even mean

 

[Starbuck1975]

I will, for one. It is being treated like shit for something that a person has no choice in: skin color, eye color, height, sexual attraction, gender, etc.

Got anything better?

So what rules would you put in place to prevent people from treating other people like shit? What about microaggressions? Where do you draw the line?

 

[jackstar7]

So what rules would you put in place to prevent people from treating other people like shit? What about microaggressions? Where do you draw the line?

Take your slippery slope shit somewhere else. Your fears of being part of a persecuted majority are pathetic.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Take your slippery slope shit somewhere else. Your fears of being part of a persecuted majority are pathetic.

So I take it you won't be answering the question

 

[jackstar7]

So I take it you won't be answering the question

You'll get answers on par with your questions.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You'll get answers on par with your questions.

Still not an answer

 

[agent00f]

What does that even mean

That you're on of them RINO's with that crazy libtard imagination to concoct any remotely unkind thought about your peers.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That you're on of them RINO's with that crazy libtard imagination to concoct any remotely unkind thought about your peers.

You make it sound like that's a bad thing.

 

[agent00f]

You make it sound like that's a bad thing.

I'm hardly the one to consider it a bad enough thing to concoct the pejorative.

 

[jackstar7]

Still not an answer

You asked three questions. Which was I meant to answer?

 

[Starbuck1975]

You asked three questions. Which was I meant to answer?

What is your quest?

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

What policy would you define that prevents people from "shitting on other people" without inadvertently limiting free speech for all?

 

[Zaap]

When you say Asian, are you referring to all Asians or just Asians from select countries?
Just want to make sure we are on the same page.

I was referring to ALL the Asians that didn't demand anything specifically for Asians. Not sure what page you're on. Don't care.