U-MD gone the way of Mizzou

[pauldun170]

Asians!!!
Look at all the Asians at UMD

Asian Pacific American Student Involvement Organizations

• Alpha Kappa Delta Phi Sorority (aKDPhi)
• Anokha
• Bangladesh Student Association (BSA)
• Chinese Culture Club (CCC)
• Chinese Student Association (CSA)
• Delta Phi Omega (DPO)
• Filipino Cultural Association (FCA)
• Hindu Student Council (HSC)
• Indian Students Association (ISA)
• Iota Nu Delta (IND)
• Iranian Student Foundation (ISF)
• Japanese American Student Association (JASA)
• Kappa Phi Gamma (KPhiG)
• Kappa Phi Lambda (KPL)
• Korean Campus Ministry (KCM)
• Korean Student Association (KSA)
• Maryland Masti (MM)
• Multiracial and Biracial Students Association (MBSA)
• Muslim Student Association (MSA)
• Muslim Women of Maryland (MWM)
• Pakistani Student Association (PSA)
• Phi Delta Sigma
• Sigma Psi Zeta (SYZ)
• Sikh Student Association (SSA)
• Taiwanese American Student Association (TASA)
• Thai Students Association (ThSA)
• Vietnamese Student Association (VSA)

Just imagine for a second that one can be Asian AND be a member of one or more Student Groups.
For example
Did you know that Chinese people can get a case of the gay?
Did you know that a Muslim is a person who is into Islam and that they can be from any region of the world? they might be even "Asian?"
Did you know that "Asians" can be Pro Palestinian?
Did you know that some undocumented immigrant are also known as "Student still here with expired Visa?

Did you know that whatever precious stereotype you may have for Asian students may not represent all "The Asians?"

 

[jackstar7]

The Left really doesn't like Asians.

To quote: "Wut?"

 

[agent00f]

To quote: "Wut?"

People like that think of asians as the model minority because they can keep their heads down and know their place. For example, when Trump's main man says too many of them in leadership positions is a threat to civic society they don't get all uppity about it. This is what they like in a minority. And of course what they like, the left must not, that's how simple minds work.

 

[desura]

To quote: "Wut?"

The Left really loves its romantic renegades. So like one stereotype is the Che shirt. Or the Palestinian Keffiya. Or BDS. Typically this is a rebellion against their elders.

When was the last time you saw a Leftist wearing a shirt with Chinese characters? Actually, the people who like Chinese characters are often poor whites.

 

[jackstar7]

The Left really loves its romantic renegades. So like one stereotype is the Che shirt. Or the Palestinian Keffiya. Or BDS. Typically this is a rebellion against their elders.

When was the last time you saw a Leftist wearing a shirt with Chinese characters? Actually, the people who like Chinese characters are often poor whites.

I appreciate you jumping deeper in and maintaining your level of utterly confounding assertions.

 

[desura]

I appreciate you jumping deeper in and maintaining your level of utterly confounding assertions.

Glad to help.

 

[agent00f]

The Left really loves its romantic renegades. So like one stereotype is the Che shirt. Or the Palestinian Keffiya. Or BDS. Typically this is a rebellion against their elders.

But why do they "really not like Asians"?

When was the last time you saw a Leftist wearing a shirt with Chinese characters? Actually, the people who like Chinese characters are often poor whites.

It's pretty interesting you assume poor whites aren't leftists. Keep in mind those are the same people who might enjoy the black man's music thus somewhat unlikely to be conservative.

 

[MrSquished]

Didn't look at all 64 and I'm sure some are reasonable and others aren't.

But bussing them to and fro to a religious center? From a public university? Oh no. This is a state run school and should be showing no conveniences to transfer students to a religious institution. I did a quick google and could find no other public school bussing their students to and from a religious institution. Quick search though. And if one exists, they should be shut down immediately.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Hey kid, there's a difference between the stoicism that most pretend to and putting on a macho face cus can't look weak/effeminate to them other rednecks.



College student already vote at relatively high rates, eg: https://gvpt.umd.edu/sites/gvpt.umd.edu/files/pubs/Niemi Hanmer SSQ Voter Turnout Among College Students.pdf, it's their peers who don't vote.

You are confusing machismo with what most people consider to be maturity.

 

[jackstar7]

You are confusing machismo with what most people consider to be maturity.

He's not actually. He made the same distinction in other words.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Has anyone actually read the list explanations included with each item?
Do any of you understand the origins of protectUMD and how this list was compiled?
Did any of you people actually go to college and do anything other than "cram for exams related to your major"?

http://www.dbknews.com/2016/12/01/protests-college-demands-diversity-umd/

The list contains a lot of silly crap, a lot of unrealistic but understandable request.
A list that can be expected from a bunch of kids in a university environment.

From an educational standpoint, the contents of the list is not important. whats important is tasking students putting some thought into issues that impact them and coming up with solutions on their own.

This is some special project that was done in November.
Learn how to identify issues important to you.
Learn how to express yourself in a clear professional manner
Learn how to organize and communicate with others

Do something other than wasting time on social media or the internet (like anandtech) complaining about shit and come up with solutions.

I can understand that this upsets some.
Especially the old farts who basically lost the ability to think for themselves and rely on their preferred news channel to tell them what to think and how to express it.
I can understand the "I'm an engineer" brigade who tend to get think they know better than everyone on every goddamn topic that floats in front of em and get locked in their mindset. People who don't understand the point of non STEM curriculum or curriculum not directly related a career that makes at least 6 figures.


To look at this from another angle,
These students are consumers of a service. This list is a request for modifications to services provided by the university. The university responded by saying "Thank you for your list. We will now review it so that we can come up with responses that both educate the students on how to respond appropriately to crap like this. Also smoothly shoot down the demands that are ridiculous.

disclaimer: Screw proofreading and grammar corrections.

Did any of the demands strike you as particularly innovative, insightful or productive? All I see is the standard greatest hits of ambiguous goals, diversity training, task forces and safe spaces. It reads like an identity politics mix tape.

 

[desura]

But why do they "really not like Asians"?



It's pretty interesting you assume poor whites aren't leftists. Keep in mind those are the same people who might enjoy the black man's music thus somewhat unlikely to be conservative.

Confucian culture. Confucianism is very hierarchial, it basically tells people to always obey and always defer to people higher up in the totem pole. This makes for more stability, but it means that Asians don't have the fire that other cultures find attractive.

 

[pauldun170]

Did any of the demands strike you as particularly innovative, insightful or productive? All I see is the standard greatest hits of ambiguous goals, diversity training, task forces and safe spaces. It reads like an identity politics mix tape.

How long has it been since you attended college with a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds?

 

[Starbuck1975]

How long has it been since you attended college with a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds?

If you are suggesting that the quality of their ideas is a function of age, I would counter that this deficiency is unique to American liberal arts students and the education they receive.

The STEM and foreign exchange interns I deal with on a routine basis in that age bracket are a wealth of well developed and mature ideas, because they understand that identifying a problem without offering the semblance of a reasonable or equitable solution is a waste of everyone's time.

 

[pauldun170]

If you are suggesting that the quality of their ideas is a function of age, I would counter that this deficiency is unique to American liberal arts students and the education they receive.

The STEM and foreign exchange interns I deal with on a routine basis in that age bracket are a wealth of well developed and mature ideas, because they understand that identifying a problem without offering the semblance of a reasonable or equitable solution is a waste of everyone's time.

Here is a little project
Go to the list of demands and look at all the the students involved. (Google Name of Student + UMD)
Start counting the STEM majors

The students involved include major everything from Theater to Mechanical Engineering to Biology to Law to an intern at FoxNews.

 

[poofyhairguy]

People like that think of asians as the model minority because they can keep their heads down and know their place. For example, when Trump's main man says too many of them in leadership positions is a threat to civic society they don't get all uppity about it. This is what they like in a minority.

Well that and a devotion to STEM education and economic achievement via hard work. If you are the kind of person who values people based on their salary then on average Asians are highly valued.

It's pretty interesting you assume poor whites aren't leftists. Keep in mind those are the same people who might enjoy the black man's music thus somewhat unlikely to be conservative.

The music doesn't matter. American conservatives have been listening to and supporting the "black man's music" called Rock and Roll for decades. Here in Texas many younger conservatives love to blast rap music from their duelie trucks. They can relate to the consumeristic message of machoism and misogyny in the music, which then frames the struggles of American Americans in the same way they look at frat hazing.

Americans have had over a century of training of taking what they like from minority cultures while demanding conformity for the rest. It is folly to assume that loyalty to the output of a marginalized group directly leads to sympathy for them. If Americans of all types weren't masters at disassociating themselves from the means of their consumption then buying American made goods to avoid child labor overseas wouldn't be the nod and wink joke it is, it would be a moral imperative.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Here is a little project
Go to the list of demands and look at all the the students involved. (Google Name of Student + UMD)
Start counting the STEM majors

The students involved include major everything from Theater to Mechanical Engineering to Biology to Law to an intern at FoxNews.

You are still dodging the question as to whether or not what they proposed is of any value.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Anecdotally, I've never met a student government type that was an excellent student. Students with decent-good GPAs, wealthy parents, access to exam banks, and a desire to feel superior, sure, but that doesn't make them intelligent or well-reasoned, only well-connected. Student government kids are among the lowest form of human life and bourgeois degeneracy. I'd trust the ugly, introverted physics nerd over the outgoing one that gets to take an excuse of absence every three weeks due to "official business". Many of the demands on this list are blatantly stupid and impractical.

And some, I presume, are good people.

 

[pauldun170]

You are still dodging the question as to whether or not what they proposed is of any value.

In my post https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/u-md-gone-the-way-of-mizzou.2495832/page-2#post-38655165
I referred to several of them as silly. I also recommended for others to read the list and the details behind each one.

Did you?

If you want me to start analyzing each request and see if they propose value then I'm going to say no. I'm not investing my precious time in to something not important to me.

However I will grab a couple

Create a Shuttle Service to the Diyanet Center of America
46. Shuttle services to the Diyanet Center of America for Muslim students to have access to a place of worship and participate in the many activities that the center hosts.

Tucked away on the side of a half-renovated Cole Field House is the campus’ only Musallah, or Muslim prayer room. The Muslim Student Association lacks the type of dedicated space other religious groups have, such as the Catholic Student Center or Maryland Hillel.

For MSA’s hundreds of members, that can be a problem.

“We substitute the lack of an actual building by renting out or getting spaces within Stamp or Nyumburu,” said junior Taj Ingram, an MSA member.

Last year, the environmental science and technology major thought of a solution that would allow members of the Muslim community to come together for events and prayer: a shuttle bus to the Diyanet Center of America. Supported by the Turkish government, the center is about 15 minutes away from campus in Lanham. There, the local Muslim community gathers for Friday prayers as well as dinners and other cultural events. MSA members sometimes participate in these events and use the center’s recreational facilities, but Ingram says transportation makes it difficult. Students often carpool.

“We have to ask who’s available right now and start driving back and forth,” he said.

David Allen, the executive director of the Department of Transportation, said he hadn’t heard of this need before, but DOTS is “happy to work with students to meet their needs.”

Allen says adding stops to pre-existing bus routes makes the most sense. Ingram has already thought of that. His came up with a route that involved making the Diyanet Center a stop on the old NASA Goddard shuttle route.
...
Ingram said there may be other options. He envisions a more private service like Nightride that could take students to the center one evening a week.

“It doesn't have to be a continuous service

That's a reasonable request.
The school lacks facilities to accommodate needs of a certain demographic. They have identified a place off campus.
There is enough people impacted where asking for transportation is appropriate.

That's the whole point of public transportation.

Introduce More Zabiha Meal Plan Options

You'd have to be a complete dumbass to argue that this request isn't valid.

54. Faculty and students have long been targeted for their political stances and their rights to free speech impeded, especially on this issue. We hope the university administration recognizes their disenfranchised groups and helps develop an environment within which it is safe for them to voice their opinions.

Basic generic request to ensure the University promotes free speech.

55. A full-time immigration attorney for the Offices of Undergraduate and Graduate Student Legal Aid.

Understandable when you have a lot of students on campus here on visa. Full time isn't realistic but some sort of legal service might be reasonable.

63. A system to ensure that DACAmented students can continue to receive in-state tuition if their DACA status is cancelled.

64. An opening up of merit scholarships and emergency funds to undocumented and DACAmented students.

DACA exempts students like Sumbwe from deportation and allows them to work and pay in-state tuition at public universities.

If you start the year qualifying for in-state tuition pricing...then they are requesting to be locked into that rate.

 

[pauldun170]

It should also be be noted some students have multiple requests on this list.

Kinda sad that the internet can get so worked up over some some list by a handful of college kids.

 

[desura]

STEM students aren't really any "better" than liberal arts students. And for reference sake, most Muslim students are STEM students. Either that, or they do Poli-Sci. I really don't see much of...any art or expression from Muslims in general.

Their "demands" probably aren't especially egregious, but there is something disturbing on how liberal-leftists effectively reward violence and terrorism. They refuse to shame Muslims.

 

[Starbuck1975]

In my post https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/u-md-gone-the-way-of-mizzou.2495832/page-2#post-38655165
I referred to several of them as silly. I also recommended for others to read the list and the details behind each one.

Did you?

If you want me to start analyzing each request and see if they propose value then I'm going to say no. I'm not investing my precious time in to something not important to me.

However I will grab a couple





That's a reasonable request.
The school lacks facilities to accommodate needs of a certain demographic. They have identified a place off campus.
There is enough people impacted where asking for transportation is appropriate.

That's the whole point of public transportation.


You'd have to be a complete dumbass to argue that this request isn't valid.


Basic generic request to ensure the University promotes free speech.



Understandable when you have a lot of students on campus here on visa. Full time isn't realistic but some sort of legal service might be reasonable.



If you start the year qualifying for in-state tuition pricing...then they are requesting to be locked into that rate.

And to my earlier point, all of these demands are readily available as services for people willing to pay for them. I do not see the logic in positioning accomodations as demands.

As for the free speech request, the trend on college campuses seems to be the freedom to voice one's own opinion while suppressing those deemed uncomfortable. I see ample evidence of both political ideologies being incredibly hypocritical on this point.

If college is not "triggering" or otherwise challenging what you perceive as universal truths, you are wasting your time.

 

[bshole]

Well that and a devotion to STEM education and economic achievement via hard work. If you are the kind of person who values people based on their salary then on average Asians are highly valued.

Actually they are most the valued humans on the planet if you go by salary. They are part of the ever shrinking pool of humans that is actually willing to do the hard intellectual work of STEM. My white kids are certainly not interested in it.

Note that the gap between Asian Americans and every other race is GROWING. The rest of humanity is falling further and further behind.

 

[jackstar7]

And to my earlier point, all of these demands are readily available as services for people willing to pay for them. I do not see the logic in positioning accomodations as demands.

As for the free speech request, the trend on college campuses seems to be the freedom to voice one's own opinion while suppressing those deemed uncomfortable. I see ample evidence of both political ideologies being incredibly hypocritical on this point.

If college is not "triggering" or otherwise challenging what you perceive as universal truths, you are wasting your time.

Do you consider intolerance and bigotry protected as "uncomfortable"?

 

[Zaap]

Just imagine for a second that one can be Asian AND be a member of one or more Student Groups.

Sure, but the point I'm sure that was being made, is that Asians don't seem to need any special demands JUST for being Asian. It's ALMOST as if their race itself isn't some kind of a 'handicap' that needs anyone to address it specifically. Like being 'Asian' means you require 'special needs'. Kind of the way people of all races (and religions) should actually start learning to see themselves in what actually WOULD be a world where equality actually meant equality.

But we're far from there yet, a lot of people want to go backward, and so we get shit like this.

But I get it. College probably isn't all that interesting for some if it's just learning shit, taking/passing tests, studying, getting on with it. Being an underprivileged victim of a system that's out to get you is probably a lot more fun- even if you have to manufacture a lot of your 'underprivileged-ness' and make vapid demands of everyone.