Two percent of high school students identify as transgender, CDC report finds

[child of wonder]

Simple, pressure from their peers and family.

That’s my assumption, too.

Yet those that choose not to live as “out” still have attempted suicide at rates of 30-40%. Even those that claim “no one can tell I’m transgender” have attempted suicide at over 30%.

 

[soundforbjt]

That’s my assumption, too.

Yet those that choose not to live as “out” still have attempted suicide at rates of 30-40%. Even those that claim “no one can tell I’m transgender” have attempted suicide at over 30%.

They still live in the fear of what people may "guess" of their status, even if they think they have it hid. Or they wonder if somethings "wrong" with them, Just guessing on this.

 

[PJFrylar]

Heh. I'll admit that a a few of my posts in this thread were absurd. I kind of treat absurdity by going heads first straight into it. Ugly tagging out for Slow .. that's just beautiful.

 

[MajinCry]

There is no genetic evidence of this. No proof, nothing. This is the left putting their evangelical beliefs ahead of the science again. The modern flat earthers.

I literally provided the science that absolutely proves that you can have the brain of one gender, and the body of another, and you say "There's no proof!"?

You're retarded.

 

[Jaskalas]

This isn't a mere fad, this is grounded in hard science: https://interestingengineering.com/transgender-brains-resemble-identified-gender-reveal-mri-scans

We can tell right away that this is not mental illness. Mental illness is when the biological function of the brain is impaired, to the point that it affects cognitive function and/or behaviour. There is no impairment, the brain is fine. It is just mismatched with the sex of the individual's body.

1: Fascinating that there are tests able to determine male VS female brain function.

Are those tests a guiding principle behind diagnosing gender dysphoria, or do we save money and take the short cut of just relying on what a person is telling us they are feeling? How about in small children? It would seem prudent to me, to confirm the diagnosis with brain scans before applying "dangerous" drugs to kids. We'd also be able to establish how many people claiming dysphoria actually have dysphoria.

Not to discount the many real cases, but it is a curiosity if any such claims are just phases or moments of identity crisis for some people, for reasons other than a true dysphoria.

2: Something that strikes me as odd. The compulsion to conform to the other gender identity. Instead of maintaining comfort in one's own body. If Gender is itself, a social construct, then there is no biological need to adhere to one side or the other. Again, social construct - not a biological one. So it is a foreign concept to me, that one needs to stand out and take drugs and ultimately have surgery. Those concepts appear to be driven by ideas and pressures resulting from the social construct. Not a biological one.

So... I fail to wrap my head around the basis of it. Even if a brain scan shows female brain function inside a male's body. "Women" can wear pants too. Nothing wrong with that. Feminine men don't need drugs or a surgery. Those are ideas and things our society has made available as "solutions", but I wonder if it unnecessarily complicates their lives.

I wonder why those things would even be sought out in the first place.

 

[WelshBloke]

... change my mind.

Why? Its up to you to educate yourself to the best you can do. Thats for your own wellbeing. Understanding the world should be something you want to do. It isnt our job to to that for you.

Ultimately you can have whatever attitude to life you want but dont expect the rest of the world to hang around waiting for you.

 

[UglyCasanova]

If Gender is itself, a social construct, then there is no biological need to adhere to one side or the other.

That’s a great point. By undergoing reassignment surgery it’s not changing one’s gender but rather one’s biological sex. Why would one need to modify their body to conform to the social construct they see themselves as? Why would ones biological sex matter at all in regards to something that is a socially accepted idea (gender)?

 

[fskimospy]

That’s a great point. By undergoing reassignment surgery it’s not changing one’s gender but rather one’s biological sex. Why would one need to modify their body to conform to the social construct they see themselves as? Why would ones biological sex matter at all in regards to something that is a socially accepted idea (gender)?

It’s not changing their biological sex either, it’s changing their external appearance to more closely conform with the appearance people generally associate with their preferred gender. What you see yourself as is one thing, what other people see you as is another.

 

[UglyCasanova]

My personal opinion is I question whether that is a good enough reason to undergo essentially a very serious mutilation of one’s body and the risks involved. Adults can do whatever they please, but for the under 18 crowd I really don’t think it’s a good idea. Especially when they are still developing, still coming to grips with all the hormones, body changing, etc. Teenagers are incredibly stupid creatures, I have one and another that think she’s one. I honestly don’t trust their judgement on hardly anything, much less such a radically life altering permanent medical procedure that by your own description is simply cosmetic.

 

[MajinCry]

My personal opinion is I question whether that is a good enough reason to undergo essentially a very serious mutilation of one’s body and the risks involved. Adults can do whatever they please, but for the under 18 crowd I really don’t think it’s a good idea. Especially when they are still developing, still coming to grips with all the hormones, body changing, etc. Teenagers are incredibly stupid creatures, I have one and another that think she’s one. I honestly don’t trust their judgement on hardly anything, much less such a radically life altering permanent medical procedure that by your own description is simply cosmetic.

Why do you continue to disregard the hard science, that absolutely states that you can be born with a male brain and a female body, and vice versa? You're literally just continuing on and ignoring what everyone else says.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I’m not though. Male and female are social constructs are they not? How is one born with a brain that is a social construct?

 

[shortylickens]

Good news.
Im starting to get tired of Baily Jay.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I literally provided the science that absolutely proves that you can have the brain of one gender, and the body of another, and you say "There's no proof!"?

You're retarded.

Please link this, I'd like to show you why you are wrong and poke holes in your silly theory.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Why do you continue to disregard the hard science, that absolutely states that you can be born with a male brain and a female body, and vice versa? You're literally just continuing on and ignoring what everyone else says.

You are way overstating things.

 

[abj13]

My personal opinion is I question whether that is a good enough reason to undergo essentially a very serious mutilation of one’s body and the risks involved. Adults can do whatever they please, but for the under 18 crowd I really don’t think it’s a good idea. Especially when they are still developing, still coming to grips with all the hormones, body changing, etc. Teenagers are incredibly stupid creatures, I have one and another that think she’s one. I honestly don’t trust their judgement on hardly anything, much less such a radically life altering permanent medical procedure that by your own description is simply cosmetic.

Just stop. You are willfully ignoring facts to support your own absurd assumptions about people. Not only do you continually ignore the facts provided to you that there are reversible options to delay the onset of puberty that are without significant medical risks, you chase after this strawman over and over.

Here's a simple question. How many gender confirmation surgeries are completed on minors in the United States?

Please answer this fundamental question.

Here's a hint, let's assume that 1% of the US population identifies with being transgender. How many gender confirmation surgeries are performed in the US each year? Approximately 3200, and that includes non-genital surgeries. That means 0.1% of all people who identify as transgender actually undergo some sort of procedure each year, and this doesn't even offer the actual frequency in which surgical procedures to the genitalia are performed. And this number reflects ALL surgeries, not the number performed on children.

Furthermore, US and European Endocrine medical societies specifically recommend that "We suggest that clinicians delay gender-affirming genital surgery involving gonadectomy and/or hysterectomy until the patient is at least 18 years old or legal age of majority in his or her country." https://www.pedsendo.org/education_...ssets/GenderDysphoricGenderIncongruentCPG.pdf

So please tell us how many of these surgeries you rail against are actually performed on children, if this is such a major "concern?"

 

[Jaskalas]

I’m not though. Male and female are social constructs are they not? How is one born with a brain that is a social construct?

That's different.

According to the earlier linked study, biological males and females traditionally have distinctive brain scan patterns. With gender dysphoria, the female brain pattern (or function) shows up in a person with a male body.

What I don't get, is why that is then applied to the social construct of changing one's gender. It just appears like an unnecessary burden, one that wouldn't even exist if we did not define those "gender" differences in the first place.

 

[MajinCry]

You are way overstating things.

I fuckin' posted the god damn science in the previous page, and you just went "There's no proof". I gave you the science, and you completely and utterly rejected it, you intellectually broken cretin. You've as much integrity as a functioning human being as Josef Fritzl does as a moral arbiter for disadvantaged males.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Why do you continue to disregard the hard science, that absolutely states that you can be born with a male brain and a female body, and vice versa? You're literally just continuing on and ignoring what everyone else says.

That's what trolls do. <shrug>

 

[Victorian Gray]

Please link this, I'd like to show you why you are wrong and poke holes in your silly theory.

He already did. Read the fucking thread bunky.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I fuckin' posted the god damn science in the previous page, and you just went "There's no proof". I gave you the science, and you completely and utterly rejected it, you intellectually broken cretin. You've as much integrity as a functioning human being as Josef Fritzl does as a moral arbiter for disadvantaged males.

https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/brain-scans-and-tongues/

Hey, their brain scan is different than baseline when they speak in tongues to their version of god. Guess their version of god is real? No, their belief may be real, but that doesn't mean their god is real. Likewise, someone may truly believe they are a woman in a man's body, but they are in fact a man. The hard science is an X and Y chromosome in every fucking cell in their body. That is "hard science." If I honestly believe I'm a giraffe, and an MRI shows areas of my brain associated with belief, memory, etc. lighting up, does that make me a giraffe? What you have is a far cry from "hard science."

 

[UglyCasanova]

That's different.

According to the earlier linked study, biological males and females traditionally have distinctive brain scan patterns. With gender dysphoria, the female brain pattern (or function) shows up in a person with a male body.

What I don't get, is why that is then applied to the social construct of changing one's gender. It just appears like an unnecessary burden, one that wouldn't even exist if we did not define those "gender" differences in the first place.

Ah makes sense. And for he second part I agree, it doesn’t make sense to me either. It does seem unnecessary to modify one’s body to fit a social construct but women do it every day with implants and eyelifts and such (which I think look horrible) so I guess I can see that. I don’t think a teenager should be trusted to make that decision though.

 

[WelshBloke]

https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/brain-scans-and-tongues/

Hey, their brain scan is different than baseline when they speak in tongues to their version of god. Guess their version of god is real? No, their belief may be real, but that doesn't mean their god is real. Likewise, someone may truly believe they are a woman in a man's body, but they are in fact a man. The hard science is an X and Y chromosome in every fucking cell in their body. That is "hard science." If I honestly believe I'm a giraffe, and an MRI shows areas of my brain associated with belief, memory, etc. lighting up, does that make me a giraffe? What you have is a far cry from "hard science."

You're putting a hell of a lot of effort into being disingenuous. You might want to spend some time thinking about why you do that at some point.

 

[cytg111]

Over the last 20 years the number has gone from basically zero to two percent. That's a fad, an enormous uptick in mental illness, or a bunch of kids having fun with the question

OR .. there is a reason we have an old saying(!) that goes : Coming out of the closet. Why dat phrasing? Cause in the old country, being anything other than cis would get you excluded from society, stoned, killed and then stoned again.

Also, is it about 10% of the population that is homosexual right? I dont think the article goes into if those 2%s are covered in the 10%, are on top, or somewhere in between. To my mind it could easily be a nuance to the stats we already know.
But yea, lets panic, all the kids wanna me trans today ... Good lord, the left is loosing their minds. Again. The sky is falling. I am very VERY concerned.

 

[cytg111]

Ah makes sense. And for he second part I agree, it doesn’t make sense to me either. It does seem unnecessary to modify one’s body to fit a social construct but women do it every day with implants and eyelifts and such (which I think look horrible) so I guess I can see that. I don’t think a teenager should be trusted to make that decision though.

I dont know .. If all you can think about as a teenager is boning hot chicks but you dont have a boner .. your life pretty much sucks. - I imagine... (dont know it works for a mind trapped in the wrong body).

 

[UglyCasanova]

Also, is it about 10% of the population that is homosexual right?

Is that accurate? Seems really high. Maybe includes bisexuals too?