Trump voting town opens "socialist" grocery store

[ch33zw1z]

Worked out pretty well. My grandparents and parents used food pantries. There was no shame in it. It also wasn’t a tribal political issue. Stick with the condescending strategy. Worked so well in the last election.

Standard projection. Any condescending I have comes from a religious conservative upbringing. Oops. Im not the one in this thread gloating about laughing at others. You just did. That mirror again bro

This type of response, is of course, the second most popular move I see from republicans, behavioral control of others, very similar to shaming. You should stop doing "x" or I'll keeping doing "y". I mean, it's so built in to our society that people often don't realize it's happening.

In this case, Democrats should stop looking down on conservatives or they'll keep voting republican, even if it's self destructive.

Whether or not Democrats are looking down on others is irrelevant, it's just the go to move to blame Democrats for whatevs.

Meanwhile republican voters can be as cruel, crass, rude, or as ignorant as they like, and are lauded for it, all while standing on their religiously backed moral high ground, blind to their immensely hypocritical do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do lifestyles.

But of course, that's cuz of the mean Democrats forcing them to be like that.

On top of all of that, I don't recall saying there was shame in food programs. So no idea what your point there is. If you review my posts around here, you'll find I support more food programs, including breakfast and lunch provided at no charge to students Pre-K thru 12. Obviously, that means I support my own taxes being increased. The return is worth it.

I mean, the attitude you portray in this post alone very likely carries over to many of the voters in the article from the OP.

 

[jackstar7]

Stop shunning Nazis or they'll just get... more white supremacist-y! --The party of personal responsibility

 

[Starbuck1975]

What policies do you think would solve this issue?

A functioning society requires common bonds and experiences. I see mandatory civil service as a way to break people out of their echo chambers.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The Job Creators giveth, and the Job Creators taketh away. Mostly the latter for nearly 40 years.

The job creators of at least the last ten years are concentrated in tech and are socially liberal...and yet, suddenly very very concerned about Sanders and Warren.

You need to find a new punching bag.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Standard projection. Any condescending I have comes from a religious conservative upbringing. Oops. Im not the one in this thread gloating about laughing at others. You just did. That mirror again bro

This type of response, is of course, the second most popular move I see from republicans, behavioral control of others, very similar to shaming. You should stop doing "x" or I'll keeping doing "y". I mean, it's so built in to our society that people often don't realize it's happening.

In this case, Democrats should stop looking down on conservatives or they'll keep voting republican, even if it's self destructive.

Whether or not Democrats are looking down on others is irrelevant, it's just the go to move to blame Democrats for whatevs.

Meanwhile republican voters can be as cruel, crass, rude, or as ignorant as they like, and are lauded for it, all while standing on their religiously backed moral high ground, blind to their immensely hypocritical do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do lifestyles.

But of course, that's cuz of the mean Democrats forcing them to be like that.

On top of all of that, I don't recall saying there was shame in food programs. So no idea what your point there is. If you review my posts around here, you'll find I support more food programs, including breakfast and lunch provided at no charge to students Pre-K thru 12. Obviously, that means I support my own taxes being increased. The return is worth it.

I mean, the attitude you portray in this post alone very likely carries over to many of the voters in the article from the OP.

Obama agrees with me

 

[senseamp]

A functioning society requires common bonds and experiences. I see mandatory civil service as a way to break people out of their echo chambers.

Communist regimes have mandatory civil service.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Communist regimes have mandatory civil service.

So do thriving western democratic socialist countries.

 

[senseamp]

So do thriving western democratic socialist countries.

It is slavery.

 

[Jhhnn]

The job creators of at least the last ten years are concentrated in tech and are socially liberal...and yet, suddenly very very concerned about Sanders and Warren.

You need to find a new punching bag.

What does "socially liberal" even mean? And who are the "concerned" parties? And what does it have to do with small town malaise & their insistence on voting GOP?

 

[jackstar7]

A functioning society requires common bonds and experiences. I see mandatory civil service as a way to break people out of their echo chambers.

What's the nature of that service?

 

[JSt0rm]

So do thriving western democratic socialist countries.

oh now you are a socialist? lmao.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What's the nature of that service?

Military service for those who elect to. Volunteer service like peace corps or infrastructure for the rest.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What does "socially liberal" even mean? And who are the "concerned" parties? And what does it have to do with small town malaise & their insistence on voting GOP?

I don’t know, you were the one who wanted to a make blanket statements.

 

[Starbuck1975]

oh now you are a socialist? lmao.

There is nothing wrong with European democratic socialism despite the negative connotations Americans tend to associate with the term “socialism”.

 

[thilanliyan]

There is nothing wrong with European democratic socialism despite the negative connotations Americans tend to associate with the term “socialism”.

That connotation is overwhelmingly coming from the right and conservatives...how do you combat that and prove to people that socialism isn’t bad?

 

[jackstar7]

Military service for those who elect to. Volunteer service like peace corps or infrastructure for the rest.

How does military service lead to your stated goal?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Obama agrees with me

Which, of course, doesn't mean anything wrt to my post. Not unusual for you to ignore content, or in Obama's case context.

Pretty telling that you'll just blame Democrats for anything and everything, which Obama doesn't do.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That connotation is overwhelmingly coming from the right and conservatives...how do you combat that and prove to people that socialism isn’t bad?

Republicans could sit on the sidelines and there would still be a healthy debate amongst Democrats on this topic, with the dog whistle of socialism being part of that discussion. It’s literally happening now in the primary.

How does military service lead to your stated goal?

It takes people out of their echo chambers. My unit was a diverse mix of working class or socio economically disadvantaged demographics: we had southern boys from deep red states, Mexican immigrants from east LA, Puerto Rican kids from the Bronx, African-Americans from Oakland and midwest farmers. They entered the experience with the biases of the worlds they came from. They departed the experience with a common thread that united them.

It’s why post WW2 America was able to accomplish so much. There was a common unifying thread of identity - everyone either serving in that war or knowing someone who did.

Doesn’t have to be military service. Take every 18 year old and have them provide community service outside of their community. No exceptions for the college bound. Completely randomize geographic assignments.

 

[senseamp]

Military service for those who elect to. Volunteer service like peace corps or infrastructure for the rest.

Its not "volunteer service" if it's mandatory. It's slavery. And it's economically inefficient. Young people know better how to apply themselves than state planners. Just because the right is losing in the game of Capitalism, now you want to try Socialism and make everyone equal in their misery?

 

[Jhhnn]

Its not "volunteer service" if it's mandatory. It's slavery. And it's economically inefficient. Young people know better how to apply themselves than state planners. Just because the right is losing in the game of Capitalism, now you want to try Socialism and make everyone equal in their misery?

Universal public service is neither left nor right. It exists on a different Authoritarian/ Libertarian axis. It has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The town starting their own grocery is symptomatic of the fact that Free Market Capitalism simply will not deliver what people need in a variety of situations. It can't, simply because a lot of it isn't profitable.

 

[senseamp]

It's on rural America to make itself an attractive enough place to live to maintain the scale needed for modern society to function. College towns are doing a good job of it. But a lot of other places are full of haters that no one wants to be around. Those places will slowly depopulate and vanish.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's on rural America to make itself an attractive enough place to live to maintain the scale needed for modern society to function. College towns are doing a good job of it. But a lot of other places are full of haters that no one wants to be around. Those places will slowly depopulate and vanish.

That's FYGM, right?

 

[senseamp]

That's FYGM, right?

No, it's FMGY on their part.

 

[JSt0rm]

It takes people out of their echo chambers. My unit was a diverse mix of working class or socio economically disadvantaged demographics: we had southern boys from deep red states, Mexican immigrants from east LA, Puerto Rican kids from the Bronx, African-Americans from Oakland and midwest farmers. They entered the experience with the biases of the worlds they came from. They departed the experience with a common thread that united them.

Them all being united is by design...

There is nothing amazing about it. The modern soldier's mind has been shaped as much as their body.

 

[jackstar7]

It takes people out of their echo chambers. My unit was a diverse mix of working class or socio economically disadvantaged demographics: we had southern boys from deep red states, Mexican immigrants from east LA, Puerto Rican kids from the Bronx, African-Americans from Oakland and midwest farmers. They entered the experience with the biases of the worlds they came from. They departed the experience with a common thread that united them.

It’s why post WW2 America was able to accomplish so much. There was a common unifying thread of identity - everyone either serving in that war or knowing someone who did.

Doesn’t have to be military service. Take every 18 year old and have them provide community service outside of their community. No exceptions for the college bound. Completely randomize geographic assignments.

So you see yourself as a product of this idea, and something everyone should aspire to?