Trump voting town opens "socialist" grocery store

Homerboy

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it's amazing how these people can't understand the (lack of) difference in things. Beyond hypocritical. Hell the mayor even directly spells out a socialist program as his "defense".


68% of the 1600 residents of of Baldwin, Florida -- where the median income is $44k/year -- voted for Trump in 2016, and in the years since, they've lost their only grocery store, which has been a particular hardship for the large number of seniors who live there, many of whom are no longer able to drive.

So the town did the logical thing: it opened a city-run grocery store that operates on a break-even basis, with the clerks, stockers, butcher and other staff all drawing a paycheck from city hall. This is unquestionably a socialist enterprise, but the town's residents don't see it that way. As Mayor Sean Lynch, a retired Navy vet, told The Washington Post: "We take the water out of the ground, and we pump it to your house and charge you. So what’s the difference with a grocery store?"

Not a thing, Mayor Lynch, not a single, solitary thing. Indeed, America's most important institutions -- power, water, roads, libraries, schools, even the Navy -- are socialist in nature.

White Americans vote against welfare benefits and publicly provided healthcare because the Republican Party and Reagan's "welfare queen" campaign convinced them that "welfare" is "undeserving Black people, Native Americans and immigrants" being helped out by the state. Of course, the majority of public spending in America goes to white people, so racism is used to harm racists themselves -- as well as the racialized people at the margins who are also punished by cuts.

The good news is that things like Baldwin Groceries are an opportunity to de-brainwash reactionaries and racists, showing them that the "socialism" they're been terorrized with all their lives is actually the stuff they love best about America: the letter-carrier they see every day, the VA that takes care of them, the library and the high school and the roads.

So far, though, the experiment has been a success. The town council had hoped to take in $3,500 a day, and sales have routinely exceeded that, Lynch says. About 1,600 people — roughly the equivalent of the town’s population — stopped in during opening weekend, according to the Florida Times-Union, and the market sold out of meat. Eight employees, all Baldwin residents, were hired at the outset, but the town recently brought on two more people to help out during the busy holiday season.
As Lynch showed a reporter around on a recent weekday afternoon, a woman in a McDonald’s uniform excitedly interrupted him. “I’m so happy you guys are open,” she gushed. “I was a regular before.” Though she works at the truck stop in Baldwin, she lives in an even more rural community outside of town, she explained, and had been driving 10 miles out of her way on bad roads that always seemed to be under construction to get to the nearest Winn-Dixie. “And their meats are not as good as yours,” she added.
 
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Heard about this on NPR yesterday and I think it's a brilliant idea. Communal services are almost always higher quality and less expensive than centralized ones. I'd love to see a wave of this across the nation to help out the food deserts of the inner cities and deep rural.
 

Homerboy

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Heard about this on NPR yesterday and I think it's a brilliant idea. Communal services are almost always higher quality and less expensive than centralized ones. I'd love to see a wave of this across the nation to help out the food deserts of the inner cities and deep rural.

Yeap. I agree that it's a pretty great idea. Brilliant and helpful for the problem at hand.
 

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America gives you the impression that it would happily employ "democratic socialism' if it exclusively benefited white people
That isn't far from the truth. We also happily employ 'distribution of wealth' as long as it's from non-white people to white people.
 

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That isn't far from the truth. We also happily employ 'distribution of wealth' as long as it's from non-white people to white people.
There are lots of poor white people too. It's becoming more of distribution of the lower/middle-class upwards. I think race convinces a lot of people to forego the issue of class in your country too. It so powerful there that it practically negates a lot of economic or social arguments that actually benefit people.
 

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There are lots of poor white people. It's becoming more of distribution of the lower/middle-class upwards. I think race convinces a lot of people to forego the issue of class in your country too.
Yeah that's what I meant, it's the old 'the poorest white man is worth more than the richest colored man' approach. Most deeply conservative-minded people would probably fully support the flow of money from non-whites to whites, if it was presented correctly.
 

pmv

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America gives you the impression that it would happily employ "democratic socialism' if it exclusively benefited white people


To me, the question of to what degree that is true seems like the central political issue in the US - and maybe it's increasingly relevant to Europe as well.
 

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America gives you the impression that it would happily employ "democratic socialism' if it exclusively benefited white people
What did you expect when our current Democrat Liberals continuously reference the lily-white Scandinavian countries as an example for socialism paradise, don't remember many of them using less than white Cuba or Venezuela as examples.
The American’s Left’s blond-haired, blue-eyed fantasyland
The curious task of the American Left is to eliminate “white privilege” by forcing people to adopt Nordic social arrangements at gunpoint.


Progressives have a longstanding love affair with the nations of northern Europe, which are, or in some cases were until the day before yesterday, ethnically homogeneous, overwhelmingly white, hostile to immigration, nationalistic, and frankly racist in much of their domestic policy.


In this the so-called progressives are joined, as they traditionally have been, by brutish white supremacists and knuckle-dragging anti-Semites, who believe that they discern within the Nordic peoples the last remnant of white European purity and who frequently adopt Nordic icons and myths, incorporating them into an oddball cult of whiteness. American progressivism is a cult of whiteness, too: It imagines re-creating Danish society in Los Angeles, which is not full of Danish people, ascribing to Scandinavian social policies certain mystical tendencies that render them universal in their applicability.

Call it “Nordic Exceptionalism.”

The Left occasionally indulges in bouts of romantic exoticism — its pin-ups have included Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Mao Zedong; we might even count Benito Mussolini, “that admirable Italian gentleman” who would not have been counted sufficiently white to join Franklin Roosevelt’s country club — but the welfare states that progressives dream about are the whitest ones: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, etc. The significance of this never quite seems to occur to progressives. When it is suggested that the central-planning, welfare-statist policies that they favor are bound to produce results familiar to the unhappy residents of, e.g., Cuba, Venezuela, or Bolivia — privation, chaos, repression, political violence — American progressives reliably reply: “No, no, we don’t want that kind of socialism. We want socialism like they have it in Finland.”


Translation: “We want white socialism, not brown socialism!”
 

IronWing

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Did you read that National Review article and not conclude that your basest fears were being played to? That piece is pure propaganda.
 
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What did you expect when our current Democrat Liberals continuously reference the lily-white Scandinavian countries as an example for socialism paradise, don't remember many of them using less than white Cuba or Venezuela as examples.

Wait...are you saying that Cuba is a DEMOCRATIC country?
 

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Americans generally really like the government services they use, Republicans included.


The only problem with that is when the Repub leadership exploit these beneficial gov't services as a defining political talking point where social services that benefit everyone is a commie plot to take over the nation (from the wealthy elite that now own and operate it.)

And like the obedient drones that they are, their lower class constituency buys into the propaganda and vote to deny themselves the very benefits they enjoyed because they were told by their very wealthy leadership that those services were actually communism in action, (ie - something that prevents the profit makers/takers from moving in on the action).

When will their working class voters ever learn............
 

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That isn't far from the truth. We also happily employ 'distribution of wealth' as long as it's from non-white people to white people.

Well, when you consider that trickle-down, which has only ever been "trickle-up," is rather color-blind, but very much class-based, it's a pretty solid enterprise that is purposely designed to punish people for being born in the wrong family....regardless of color! (I think that the demographics of poverty vs race is really just a convenient benefit for the GOP, that it also happens to disproportionately effect minorities)
 
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(I think that the demographics of poverty vs race is really just a convenient benefit for the GOP, that it also happens to disproportionately effect minorities)
That last part is intentional. There would have never even been a concept of 'trickle down' (aka give money from the have-nots to the haves) pushed by the GOP if the 'haves' weren't disproportionately white.
 
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What did you expect when our current Democrat Liberals continuously reference the lily-white Scandinavian countries as an example for socialism paradise, don't remember many of them using less than white Cuba or Venezuela as examples.

I suggest stamp collecting.
 

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That last part is intentional. There would have never even been a concept of 'trickle down' (aka give money from the have-nots to the haves) pushed by the GOP if the 'haves' weren't disproportionately white.

The system favors the haves. How many people would turn away free money on the table if they basically have control? The Republicans won't even stand up to Trump. Even the Democrat donors are crapping bricks over Warren's reforms. Establishment Democrats have long ignored structural problems with our system, and they have favored identity politics and special interests over broad economic policy.
 
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I linked a more balanced and in-depth WaPo article below that outlines the issues facing small rural towns like these, typically considered red by nature, that are small / poor and who lose their only grocery store. Larger towns can create a co-op to deal with this type of problem but these smaller areas typically don’t have that choice. This scenario is being looked at in other rural areas by states although it is still somewhat unique.

 

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The system favors the haves. How many people would turn away free money on the table if they basically have control? The Republicans won't even stand up to Trump. Even the Democrat donors are crapping bricks over Warren's reforms. Establishment Democrats have long ignored structural problems with our system, and they have favored identity politics and special interests over broad economic policy.

Both sides.
 
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it's amazing how these people can't understand the (lack of) difference in things. Beyond hypocritical. Hell the mayor even directly spells out a socialist program as his "defense".



BTW, the mayor is NOP (no party preference). He’s the one that pushed this solution because he’s just trying to do the best thing for the people in his city.
 
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