Trump to run in 2024, say anonymous sources

[fskimospy]

This is entirely predictable but considering Trump and his associates lie about literally everything, also pretty meaningless.

 

[K1052]

Eventually Trump trying to keep his options open is going to spectacularly collide with a veritable mob of rabidly ambitious MAGAing GOP would-be presidential candidates which only grows with each passing day.

 

[Viper1j]

Anon sources inside the Trump camp telling CNN that Trump says he will run in 2024 unless he's in poor health.

Why Donald Trump is Republicans' worst nightmare in 2024 | CNN Politics

Earlier this week, amid a rambling attack on the validity of the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump said this: "Interesting that today a poll came out indicating I'm far in the lead for the Republican Presidential Primary and the General Election in 2024."

www.cnn.com

"Trump is confiding in allies that he intends to run again in 2024 with one contingency: that he still has a good bill of health, according to two sources close to the former president. That means Trump is going to hang over the Republican Party despite its attempts to rebrand during his exile and its blockade of a Trump-centric investigation into January's insurrection."

The article pitches this development as bad for the GOP. And maybe it is. But it's terrible news for the rest of us as well. Even in the best case scenario, if Trump wins his primary but loses the general election, he's going to claim election fraud yet again. The entire thing will be another tissue of lies which demean democracy and threaten its very existence. And that isn't even to speak of what would happen should he actually win.

He most likely will try if he's not convicted in time.

Get busy Tish.

 

[Muse]

Which his legions of armed cultists would be happy to put down.

If they could, but it would be beyond their abilities. There would be no end to insurrection in the USA if it's taken over by unconstitutional maneuverings.

 

[Commodus]

Of course Trump would run — he's a pathological narcissist who likes being the center of attention, and he likes the thought of abusing government to help his business.

That his brand might be permanently tarnished as a result of his first tenure hasn't even occurred to him, nor has he considered that he might effectively hand elections to Democrats. He believes he's always right, always the center of the universe, and he only ever loses if the system is rigged against him.

The scary bit, as others have mentioned here, is that Trump might still have cultists eager to commit violence in his name if he makes it to 2024 and loses.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Even the former President won’t know if he is going to run until he announces he is going to run and even then he may change his mind.
You cannot trust a word he says.

 

[ivwshane]

He’ll run if he can win, which means, if he finds a way to rig the election he will run. He can’t handle another loss, his ego would be severely damaged.

 

[fskimospy]

He’ll run if he can win, which means, if he finds a way to rig the election he will run. He can’t handle another loss, his ego would be severely damaged.

He’s a bad candidate - nearly any GOP-we would be more likely to win. That being said, you’re right that any nominee has a chance and a second Trump term would be an even larger catastrophe than the first.

 

[kage69]

Trump the Twice Impeached traitor would need a Hillary character to run against as well as republican/foreign interference in the election to "win" and return America to it's 2016-2020 pedestal of shame and ridicule.

Having the deaths of 560k Americans attached to your legacy, along with mountains of corruption and abuses of power, would hopefully factor into it for rational Americans. Then again, the cultists can't wait to finally kill the silly democracy that lets minorities and women act out of their places.

I really fear for my country. Too many people have been brainwashed into supporting things anathema to American ideals, into not caring what facts are. His base isn't big enough, but the corruption may be severe enough to get the job done. Putin will have def gotten his money's worth from his investment in the American right wing.

 

[Leeea]

If Trump is going to run, Biden will run again. It was his primary reason for running the first time around.

Nothing unites all of the factions of the democratic party like Trump. Even if it is behind a most likely to win moderate old white guy calculation.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Could Trump run for President if he's indicted and out on bond?. If not, would the court case have to be put on hold if he’s elected or, since it was already on the books, would he still have to go to trial? And if he's wins, could he then pardon himself?

I'm assuming he can run because Lyndon LaRouche ran for president in 1992 while he was in prison for mail fraud. There’s nothing in the Constitution that requires that an individual incarcerated in state or federal prison be released upon being elected President. Obviously the situation has never come up. But I'm not putting anything past the Republicans zeal to get this POS elected again. I would think, In order to be president, you have to be eligible to be president. If the voters were stupid enough to elect somebody who isn’t eligible to be president, we don’t rewrite the rules. We acknowledge this person is ineligible and put the next person in line in office.

 

[fskimospy]

Could Trump run for President if he's indicted and out on bond?. If not, would the court case have to be put on hold if he’s elected or, since it was already on the books, would he still have to go to trial? And if he's wins, could he then pardon himself?

I'm assuming he can run because Lyndon LaRouche ran for president in 1992 while he was in prison for mail fraud. There’s nothing in the Constitution that requires that an individual incarcerated in state or federal prison be released upon being elected President. Obviously the situation has never come up. But I'm not putting anything past the Republicans zeal to get this POS elected again. I would think, In order to be president, you have to be eligible to be president. If the voters were stupid enough to elect somebody who isn’t eligible to be president, we don’t rewrite the rules. We acknowledge this person is ineligible and put the next person in line in office.

Yes, you can run for president while under indictment or even in prison. If Trump won while in prison presumably he would have to be released too, as it would likely be viewed as an unconstitutional infringement of federal power by a state if he were in state prison and if he were in federal prison he could order his own release.

 

[K1052]

Yes, you can run for president while under indictment or even in prison. If Trump won while in prison presumably he would have to be released too, as it would likely be viewed as an unconstitutional infringement of federal power by a state if he were in state prison and if he were in federal prison he could order his own release.

Non zero chance that in 2024 GOP run states that a D might win refuse to certify their elections and the US House, now GOP led, appoints him President as he sits in NY state prison.

 

[fskimospy]

Non zero chance that in 2024 GOP run states that a D might win refuse to certify their elections and the US House, now GOP led, appoints him President as he sits in NY state prison.

I think the chance if the election is close they will try to steal it this way, yes. I have no idea what happens then, as it's essentially a coup and at least at the time Democrats would control federal law enforcement and the army.

If you're the Democrats and they do this you can't give in because if you do that's the end of democracy, so what do you do. Maybe a civil war?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yes, you can run for president while under indictment or even in prison. If Trump won while in prison presumably he would have to be released too, as it would likely be viewed as an unconstitutional infringement of federal power by a state if he were in state prison and if he were in federal prison he could order his own release.

Fuck it I say play the game like the deplorables would.
Assuming he is in jail, which I think is highly unlikely and assuming it is in NY.
I say the State should say fuck it, we are not letting him out to take the oath of office.

 

[K1052]

I think the chance if the election is close they will try to steal it this way, yes. I have no idea what happens then, as it's essentially a coup and at least at the time Democrats would control federal law enforcement and the army.

If you're the Democrats and they do this you can't give in because if you do that's the end of democracy, so what do you do. Maybe a civil war?

Yeah no easy ways out of that particular scenario.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Yes, you can run for president while under indictment or even in prison. If Trump won while in prison presumably he would have to be released too, as it would likely be viewed as an unconstitutional infringement of federal power by a state if he were in state prison and if he were in federal prison he could order his own release.

Hmmm interesting ... A person who has been legally imprisoned somehow gets automatically released from prison if he gets elected president?. So it would be up to the governor of the state in question to pardon or commute the sentence to get him out of prison? If that governor doesn’t like him or the idea of letting a criminal like this out, he could refuse to release him? I'm wondering if there is any legal theory for this?. As far as I know, there’s no requirement that a state release someone just because they’ve now been elected to a public office. I'm wondering if this has ever happened before?

Obviously this is an incredibly hypothetical area of the law. We wouldn’t know what the requirements are until it happened (and hopefully it doesn’t), and what the requirements are found to be would be heavily dependent on the specific facts and what the least unpleasant option is. Maybe all of the men in suits decide that it’s very unseemly that an inmate be elected president and they decide to let the state keep their guy and have the VP become acting president. Maybe a militia from the states that supported the president-elect is already busting across the state line and the governor releases him to save face. Maybe the generals down at the Pentagon decide to order out for some Turkish and take over control the executive branch for themselves.

I don’t know that it’s even constitutional theory at that point so much as it is game theory.

 

[fskimospy]

Fuck it I say play the game like the deplorables would.
Assuming he is in jail, which I think is highly unlikely and assuming it is in NY.
I say the State should say fuck it, we are not letting him out to take the oath of office.

Sure, but that's essentially a civil war too.

 

[fskimospy]

Hmmm interesting ... A person who has been legally imprisoned somehow gets automatically released from prison if he gets elected president?. So it would be up to the governor of the state in question to pardon or commute the sentence to get him out of prison? If that governor doesn’t like him or the idea of letting a criminal like this out, he could refuse to release him? I'm wondering if there is any legal theory for this?. As far as I know, there’s no requirement that a state release someone just because they’ve now been elected to a public office. I'm wondering if this has ever happened before?

There's no requirement to release any public official except for the president. If the governor said no then federal law enforcement and/or the army would come to secure the release of the president. Otherwise, a state could essentially render the federal government inoperable at will by arresting the chief executive.

Obviously this is an incredibly hypothetical area of the law. We wouldn’t know what the requirements are until it happened (and hopefully it doesn’t), and what the requirements are found to be would be heavily dependent on the specific facts and what the least unpleasant option is. Maybe all of the men in suits decide that it’s very unseemly that an inmate be elected president and they decide to let the state keep their guy and have the VP become acting president. Maybe a militia from the states that supported the president-elect is already busting across the state line and the governor releases him to save face. Maybe the generals down at the Pentagon decide to order out for some Turkish and take over control the executive branch for themselves.

I don’t know that it’s even constitutional theory at that point so much as it is game theory.

Yes, I think this is more politics than law because at the point a state is arresting the president the law has essentially gone out the window anyway and you have some sort of civil conflict.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah no easy ways out of that particular scenario.

In some ways I guess it would be clarifying because really no matter what is decided democracy in the US is essentially over anyway. Either the democratic president submits to what amounts to a legislative coup and ensures that no democrat can ever win the presidency again because Republican states can simply invent claims of fraud to overthrow it, or he violates the constitution and usurps the right of Congress to determine the winner of a contested election.

All democracies are built on the idea that everyone involved operates with at least some minimum level of good faith and respect for the outcome of elections. If one party decides it doesn't want to do that anymore than that's pretty much the end of things, no matter the outcome.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Sure, but that's essentially a civil war too.

Or a negotiating tactic. Ensure NYs federal funding does not drop, any investigative committees into the people who jailed him need to be approved by a bipartisan commission.
We
Know the former President holds grudges and like to get revenge.

I want to be very clear this is just a total fantasy scenario.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Well ... If the state charged somebody with a crime, held a trial, and sentenced that person. Them saying that the federal government can now intervene and tell the state that it must release this person. That’s making a mockery of state sovereignty, due process, the court system, and the rule of law IMO.

I would hope that If somebody commits a crime and is imprisoned as a result, they have made themselves unable to serve as president (among other disabilities) and the state is under no constitutional requirement to reverse this process so somebody can be president.

It’s an amazing reflection on how Trump and the Republicans managed to lower the standards so far in four years. We’re actually having a conversation over how the President can serve after being imprisoned.

 

[fskimospy]

Or a negotiating tactic. Ensure NYs federal funding does not drop, any investigative committees into the people who jailed him need to be approved by a bipartisan commission.
We
Know the former President holds grudges and like to get revenge.

I want to be very clear this is just a total fantasy scenario.

Yeah I hear you that this is a fantasy scenario, but I don't think there would be any negotiating done. First, the federal government could just come in and force the state to give the president up. Second, there's no way for NYS to enforce a binding commitment on the federal government. The feds could promise all of that and then just renege on it immediately after Trump is released.

Considering how Trump is essentially the least trustworthy person on the planet, it seems like a near certainty he would do this.

 

[cytg111]

Its almost like a bad Z movie ... Magas be the zombies...

 

[fskimospy]

Well ... If the state charged somebody with a crime, held a trial, and sentenced that person. Them saying that the federal government can now intervene and tell the state that it must release this person. That’s making a mockery of state sovereignty, due process, the court system, and the rule of law IMO.

I would hope that If somebody commits a crime and is imprisoned as a result, they have made themselves unable to serve as president (among other disabilities) and the state is under no constitutional requirement to reverse this process so somebody can be president.

It’s an amazing reflection on how Trump and the Republicans managed to lower the standards so far in four years. We’re actually having a conversation over how the President can serve after being imprisoned.

Yes but under this interpretation of the Constitution any time a state wants it can render the federal government inoperative, which would make a mockery of the supremacy clause.

States can't interfere with the operation of the federal government, and arresting the president certainly does that.