Trump to run in 2024, say anonymous sources

[gothuevos]

Non zero chance that in 2024 GOP run states that a D might win refuse to certify their elections and the US House, now GOP led, appoints him President as he sits in NY state prison.

Wow, what a timeline we live in.

 

[sactoking]

Yes but under this interpretation of the Constitution any time a state wants it can render the federal government inoperative, which would make a mockery of the supremacy clause.

States can't interfere with the operation of the federal government, and arresting the president certainly does that.

I think, in this academic exercise, the two of you are discussing slightly different things. You're coming back to "arresting the president" which implies the arrest comes after swearing in and he's coming back to "an incarcerated person gets elected president" which implies that arrest contest before swearing in.

I mean at the most extreme level a person elected to the presidency while incarcerated in a hostile state would never become President because the state would prevent the president-elect from ever taking the oath of office.

 

[darkswordsman17]

There was never any doubt. And people that think he won't run outside of him being dead or otherwise unable to function are delusional as well.

Eventually Trump trying to keep his options open is going to spectacularly collide with a veritable mob of rabidly ambitious MAGAing GOP would-be presidential candidates which only grows with each passing day.

You really haven't been paying attention if you think anyone could steal Turmp's thunder from the right wing base. Any such challenger would bend the knee so quickly, and any defiant ones are going to be ruined. See the husband of Ted Cruz's ugly wife and Bitch Romney.

 

[Indus]

If that happened the unrest, the demonstrations, the civil disobedience, the violence that would ensue would make the George Floyd uprising look like a picnic.

People are fickle.

Never underestimate laziness. Out of 74 million Trumpanzees how many actually showed up on January 6th?

You really think a greater number than that will try to protect democracy when they can sit back in their lazyboy and watch tv?

 

[fskimospy]

I think, in this academic exercise, the two of you are discussing slightly different things. You're coming back to "arresting the president" which implies the arrest comes after swearing in and he's coming back to "an incarcerated person gets elected president" which implies that arrest contest before swearing in.

I mean at the most extreme level a person elected to the presidency while incarcerated in a hostile state would never become President because the state would prevent the president-elect from ever taking the oath of office.

I think as far as the Constitution is concerned they are the same thing because a state stopping the lawfully elected president from taking office is also infringing on the function of the federal executive branch.

If Trump goes to prison and is somehow elected again I 100% guarantee you he will be immediately released. Constitution aside, as a functional matter Trump could simply order the army to secure his release.

 

[fskimospy]

Really though, any scenario where a state has imprisoned the president or the president elect and will not release them is essentially a state of civil war so what the Constitution says probably doesn't matter much.

 

[Commodus]

Non zero chance that in 2024 GOP run states that a D might win refuse to certify their elections and the US House, now GOP led, appoints him President as he sits in NY state prison.

I suspect that's unlikely, as that would create an uproar that makes 2020 look civil, but like you said... the very fact that there's a non-zero chance of it happening is scary.

 

[trenchfoot]

The Repubs have proven that they will gladly vote for a guy who says his election got stolen from him in the face of numerous court cases that provided incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. They have also had to ignore Trump's daily delivery of blatant lies that get debunked the minute after it comes out of his mouth or hits his twitter feed and his humiliating telling defense of one of our nation's most dangerous adversaries by the name of Vlad Putin.

Trump has managed to pile up a mountain of proven beyond doubt damaging evidence of his incompetence, his criminal behavior, his embarassing record of having so many of his close associates being convicted of aiding and abetting his habit of trampling on the Constitution and the Rule of Law, any one of which would surely ruin the chances of other folks who would dare take a chance at running for the highest office of the land.

This is what the people of the nation who hold Trump accountable for his too many to mention acts of incompetence and treason against the nation are up against. This is what over 70 million fellow Americans are demanding that we ignore and excuse so as to have Trump reelected and given the chance to complete his effort at transforming our nation into a dictatorship, a totalitarian state of which his friends in the Kremlin would hail as their biggest victory ever.

 

[mikeymikec]

Trump supporters here have a difficult choice ahead of them:

 

[hal2kilo]

It's a ploy to keep the shekels flowing. Duh.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I think as far as the Constitution is concerned they are the same thing because a state stopping the lawfully elected president from taking office is also infringing on the function of the federal executive branch.

If Trump goes to prison and is somehow elected again I 100% guarantee you he will be immediately released. Constitution aside, as a functional matter Trump could simply order the army to secure his release.

I would think the courts would have to rule before he's "immediately released"?. .I suppose Trump could probably bring suit arguing that his continued incarceration inhibits his ability to execute his duties as President and request that his sentence be suspended during his term. Impossible to say how the courts would rule.

But I agree with you. This would be the constitutional crisis of epic proportions and any rulings would probably be moot.

There is a possibility that he could be running while indicted and out on bail.

What restrictions does the court place on someone that would make it difficult to campaign effectively? If someone is out on bond while awaiting trial, can they travel outside the jurisdiction of the court? Can he solicit donations and associate with possible co-defendants or witnesses? Can he be prohibited from talking about the case as a condition of bail?

There might not be a law specifically preventing Trump from running for president while indicted, but what kind of campaign could he undertake while out on bail?

 

[fskimospy]

I would think the courts would have to rule before he's "immediately released"?. .I suppose Trump could probably bring suit arguing that his continued incarceration inhibits his ability to execute his duties as President and request that his sentence be suspended during his term. Impossible to say how the courts would rule.

But I agree with you. This would be the constitutional crisis of epic proportions and any rulings would probably be moot.

There is a possibility that he could be running while indicted and out on bail.

What restrictions does the court place on someone that would make it difficult to campaign effectively? If someone is out on bond while awaiting trial, can they travel outside the jurisdiction of the court? Can he solicit donations and associate with possible co-defendants or witnesses? Can he be prohibited from talking about the case as a condition of bail?

There might not be a law specifically preventing Trump from running for president while indicted, but what kind of campaign could he undertake while out on bail?

While I remain confident that he would be quickly released upon winning the presidency I don't think he would get any special rights during the campaign so they could restrict him in all the ways you mention and more.

 

[ewdotson]

Man though, as Asha Rangappa recently noted, how freaking remarkable of an example of boiling frog syndrome is it that there are people seriously discussing the possibility of Trump being elected president from prison? It's insane.

 

[cytg111]

Non zero chance that in 2024 GOP run states that a D might win refuse to certify their elections and the US House, now GOP led, appoints him President as he sits in NY state prison.

And then what? What happens in that scenario?

 

[Juiblex]

Israel needs Trump to MIGA again. Of course he's going to run.

 

[woolfe9998]

Israel needs Trump to MIGA again. Of course he's going to run.

Are you seriously suggesting that Trump will run because Israel wants him to? LOL

 

[fskimospy]

And then what? What happens in that scenario?

Legally, Trump becomes president again. As a practical matter, potentially a civil war. The basic question to Biden in that situation is if he’s willing to surrender power, knowing that by doing so he is ending democracy in the United States.

Maybe he would though! People don’t seem to realize it but in states like Wisconsin Republicans have for all intents and purposes ended democracy already, at least as it applies to the legislature, and people just take it in stride.

 

[Muse]

People are fickle.

Never underestimate laziness. Out of 74 million Trumpanzees how many actually showed up on January 6th?

You really think a greater number than that will try to protect democracy when they can sit back in their lazyboy and watch tv?

There's an enormous difference between people attacking the capitol because they've been warped to believe a preposterous lie that the election was stolen from their candidate and the opposite scenario being people showing up where ever to protest the actual theft of the presidency from their candidate who won it fair and square. Do you think?

 

[cytg111]

Legally, Trump becomes president again. As a practical matter, potentially a civil war. The basic question to Biden in that situation is if he’s willing to surrender power, knowing that by doing so he is ending democracy in the United States.

Maybe he would though! People don’t seem to realize it but in states like Wisconsin Republicans have for all intents and purposes ended democracy already, at least as it applies to the legislature, and people just take it in stride.

What I am getting is that, a civil war is actually inching closer by the day, its no longer "unthinkable", it is in fact what the R's actions is heading towards.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

I doubt that. Nobody unites and excites the base like Trump. I think he has at least a 50/50 chance to win, especially if Biden bows out and Kamala is the candidate.
A lot depends on the economy, I think. We are due for a "correction" or worse in the market, and inflation could also be starting to rear its ugly head.

Trump only lost because of Covid, and as we see even 90%+ of "regular" republicans don't mind Trump. And especially if he were to run against not just a woman again, but a dark-skinned woman?! The racist/sexist alliance is a powerful force for turnout.. I'd give him at least 50/50 if he were to run in 24, probably better. And i'd seriously consider how much longer I want to live in this country at that point..

 

[kage69]

It's a ploy to keep the shekels flowing. Duh.

My ardent hope, knowing the lows and national risk he's willing to entertain if he can extract cash out of the situation. Too many people cancelling their fraudulent monthly donations to dipshit, gotta remind the sheep why they're here.

Sure hope Trump's been treating his loniless with lots of KFC, snorting more than the usual amount of crushed Adderall, plus staying as sedentary as possible. He still hasn't done the best thing he can do for this country.

 

[Indus]

Israel needs Trump to MIGA again. Of course he's going to run.

Maybe we should just take the sides of Israel's victims as its a lot easier on the eyes for America to have 2.4 billion allies than enemies.

 

[kage69]

What I am getting is that, a civil war is actually inching closer by the day, its no longer "unthinkable", it is in fact what the R's actions is heading towards.

Sad but true.

It's a shame we could lose a democracy, a way of life, over conservatives choosing their delusional greed over America. It's a fight they would lose, but America would be the real loser. The post WW2 order would be over. Done. Gone forever.

 

[cytg111]

Sad but true.

It's a shame we could lose a democracy, a way of life, over conservatives choosing their delusional greed over America. It's a fight they would lose, but America would be the real loser. The post WW2 order would be over. Done. Gone forever.

And give way to the rise of China and authoritarian mafia states.
And to think that it was a Trump, puppet or not, that brought it all to its knees. That is hysterical.

 

[ivwshane]

I would think the courts would have to rule before he's "immediately released"?. .I suppose Trump could probably bring suit arguing that his continued incarceration inhibits his ability to execute his duties as President and request that his sentence be suspended during his term. Impossible to say how the courts would rule.

But I agree with you. This would be the constitutional crisis of epic proportions and any rulings would probably be moot.

There is a possibility that he could be running while indicted and out on bail.

What restrictions does the court place on someone that would make it difficult to campaign effectively? If someone is out on bond while awaiting trial, can they travel outside the jurisdiction of the court? Can he solicit donations and associate with possible co-defendants or witnesses? Can he be prohibited from talking about the case as a condition of bail?

There might not be a law specifically preventing Trump from running for president while indicted, but what kind of campaign could he undertake while out on bail?

I don’t know what you are worried about, the electoral college would never let that happen!

/eye roll