Trump to decertify the Iran nuclear deal.

[hal2kilo]

Not sure why that qualifier would be important then, unless the person otherwise intends to lie. But, yeah, it was some defensiveness about the position. It wasn't well-judged and reactive only to media reports on less desirable attributes like warning periods before inspection. I hadn't thought it through, but then again, I don't think most things through. I'm not a politician so I prefer exploring humanity through political discourse to actually doing something.

One of Donald's favorite saying is parallel to that. He constantly says "believe me when I tell you" I usually stop listening after that. In truth, way before that. The sound of his rather high and weezing voice, grates on my nerves. I'll read a transcript first.

 

[zinfamous]

It is good we are on the same page.

The problem is, I think we are reading from different books.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Why was it not a deterrent to the development of nuclear weapons? Iran was getting quite close to a bomb and by all indications I am aware of that has stopped.

The biggest deterrent was the joint US-Israel cyberattack they launched against Iran's nuclear program. Stuxnet. Really wrecked their centrifuges.

 

[cytg111]

It would be more honest to say he was given a Nobel Peace Prize.

So saying that Obama won a nobel peace prize is being on the wrong side of history to you? Arh common man.

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/
- They sure are awarded here allthough

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/
"A person or organization awarded the Nobel Prize is called Nobel Laureate. The word "laureate" refers to being signified by the laurel wreath. In ancient Greece, laurel wreaths were awarded to victors as a sign of honor."

- Victors, winning, wonning, spinning...

- Does it even effen matter?

 

[pcgeek11]

Write a sternly worded email to the Nobel committee expressing your continued butt hurt over their decision. I'm sure they will take it as seriously as the rest of us do.

Next up pcgeek yells at grass and clouds.....

I'll take that as a nothing answer.

 

[pcgeek11]

International diplomacy, a push for a globe at peace? The exact opposite of what Trump is doing now?

LOL.

 

[pcgeek11]

So saying that Obama won a nobel peace prize is being on the wrong side of history to you? Arh common man.

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/
- They sure are awarded here allthough

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/
"A person or organization awarded the Nobel Prize is called Nobel Laureate. The word "laureate" refers to being signified by the laurel wreath. In ancient Greece, laurel wreaths were awarded to victors as a sign of honor."

- Victors, winning, wonning, spinning...

- Does it even effen matter?

They awarded it on the hopes that he would accomplish something. He didn't accomplish any of those things that were outlined.

Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years doesn't agree with you.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...eace-prize-was-not-such-a-good-idea/72396794/

In a just-released book, Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years until stepping down last year, said the prize committee had expected the honor to deliver a boost to Obama, something he believes did not happen.

Speaking to The Associated Press, Lundestad, who sat in on the secretive committee's meetings but did not have a vote, said the committee "thought it would strengthen Obama and it didn't have this effect."

"In hindsight, we could say that the argument of giving Obama a helping hand was only partially correct," he wrote, according to VG, a Norwegian newspaper.

The award, made by the committee in response to Obama's stated aim of ridding the world of nuclear weapons, came nine months after he took office.

"Even many of Obama's supporters believed that the prize was a mistake," Lundestad wrote in "Secretary of Peace. 25 years with the Nobel Prize".

"In that sense the committee didn't achieve what it had hoped for," he said, noting that Obama himself rarely mentions the prize.

 

[VRAMdemon]

The fact is that if the United States pulls out of the agreement, the other signatories won't follow suit. So Russia, China, France, the UK, and the rest of the EU won't reinstate sanctions. And so what happens then?

How exactly does the United States unilaterally pulling out of the agreement stop any Iranian nuclear program? We need Russia and China and Europe on our side as well. Remember our new friends the Russians? They're not going to cut off trade with Iran just because we do. We can't rip up the agreement and go back to the day before the agreement was signed, where all the outside powers had sanctions on Iran. We go back to nothing.

 

[alien42]

They awarded it on the hopes that he would accomplish something. He didn't accomplish any of those things that were outlined.

Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years doesn't agree with you.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...eace-prize-was-not-such-a-good-idea/72396794/

In a just-released book, Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years until stepping down last year, said the prize committee had expected the honor to deliver a boost to Obama, something he believes did not happen.

Speaking to The Associated Press, Lundestad, who sat in on the secretive committee's meetings but did not have a vote, said the committee "thought it would strengthen Obama and it didn't have this effect."

"In hindsight, we could say that the argument of giving Obama a helping hand was only partially correct," he wrote, according to VG, a Norwegian newspaper.

The award, made by the committee in response to Obama's stated aim of ridding the world of nuclear weapons, came nine months after he took office.

"Even many of Obama's supporters believed that the prize was a mistake," Lundestad wrote in "Secretary of Peace. 25 years with the Nobel Prize".

"In that sense the committee didn't achieve what it had hoped for," he said, noting that Obama himself rarely mentions the prize.

this thread is about Trump decertifying the Iran nuclear deal.

when you're done slobbing on Trump's knob, maybe you can discuss the topic at hand.

 

[Jhhnn]

The fact is that if the United States pulls out of the agreement, the other signatories won't follow suit. So Russia, China, France, the UK, and the rest of the EU won't reinstate sanctions. And so what happens then?

How exactly does the United States unilaterally pulling out of the agreement stop any Iranian nuclear program? We need Russia and China and Europe on our side as well. Remember our new friends the Russians? They're not going to cut off trade with Iran just because we do. We can't rip up the agreement and go back to the day before the agreement was signed, where all the outside powers had sanctions on Iran. We go back to nothing.

Muricuh! Hell Yeah! Gotta support the medieval monarchy across the persian gulf & our lyin' Israeli pals, too... Cuz freedumb & shit...

 

[pcgeek11]

this thread is about Trump decertifying the Iran nuclear deal.

when you're done slobbing on Trump's knob, maybe you can discuss the topic at hand.

I never mentioned Trump. Maybe it is you that has a fixation on Trump.

I didn't bring up the fake Nobel Prize either it was tweaker2. Blame him.

 

[alien42]

I never mentioned Trump.

that's the point numbnuts, this thread is about Trump.

 

[cytg111]

They awarded it on the hopes that he would accomplish something. He didn't accomplish any of those things that were outlined.

Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years doesn't agree with you.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...eace-prize-was-not-such-a-good-idea/72396794/

In a just-released book, Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years until stepping down last year, said the prize committee had expected the honor to deliver a boost to Obama, something he believes did not happen.

Speaking to The Associated Press, Lundestad, who sat in on the secretive committee's meetings but did not have a vote, said the committee "thought it would strengthen Obama and it didn't have this effect."

"In hindsight, we could say that the argument of giving Obama a helping hand was only partially correct," he wrote, according to VG, a Norwegian newspaper.

The award, made by the committee in response to Obama's stated aim of ridding the world of nuclear weapons, came nine months after he took office.

"Even many of Obama's supporters believed that the prize was a mistake," Lundestad wrote in "Secretary of Peace. 25 years with the Nobel Prize".

"In that sense the committee didn't achieve what it had hoped for," he said, noting that Obama himself rarely mentions the prize.

That is aboutish the same way you do climate change, lash on to the one or two odd reports or interpretations that is somewhat aligned with your preexisting conviction and roll with it.
So there is a panel that decides who gets the award and you found the guy that was on the other side of the vote. Oki.

 

[pcgeek11]

That is aboutish the same way you do climate change, lash on to the one or two odd reports or interpretations that is somewhat aligned with your preexisting conviction and roll with it.
So there is a panel that decides who gets the award and you found the guy that was on the other side of the vote. Oki.

Well he was the director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years. I think his opinion carries a little more weight than yours.

 

[brycejones]

I'll take that as a nothing answer.

So you're just here to whine about a guy and organization who aren't even the subject of the thread and are also unwilling to put forth any effort to complain to the organization who has caused you so much butt hurt since 8 years later you're still whining about it.
So you're lazy, unable to stay on topic, and like to yell at clouds.

I'll take all your posts as a nothing answer to immaterial questions in the future OR you could actually try to get on topic and post something meaningful to the subject at hand.

 

[Thump553]

Muricuh! Hell Yeah! Gotta support the medieval monarchy across the persian gulf & our lyin' Israeli pals, too... Cuz freedumb & shit...

What in the world does this response mean? VRAMdemon raised an excellent point-regardless of what you think of the Iran deal (I think it is the best, or very nearly the best, that could have been accomplished) what does the US gain from unilaterally pulling out? On the positive side, the GOP gets an attaboy from their base. On the negative side the rest of the world (most notably Russia and China) are free to flood into the just opened Iranian market while the US voluntarily bars itself and has absolutely no prospect of getting a better deal.

 

[brycejones]

The problem is, I think we are reading from different books.

Yours has words his has pictures.

 

[interchange]

One of Donald's favorite saying is parallel to that. He constantly says "believe me when I tell you" I usually stop listening after that. In truth, way before that. The sound of his rather high and weezing voice, grates on my nerves. I'll read a transcript first.

I really hope I'm not comparable to Trump in any meaningful way. But, yeah, he uses that one and others like backing statements with an aggressive "okay", etc. Really just bullying tactics. Providing no safety in any other position without a fight.

 

[ivwshane]

What in the world does this response mean? VRAMdemon raised an excellent point-regardless of what you think of the Iran deal (I think it is the best, or very nearly the best, that could have been accomplished) what does the US gain from unilaterally pulling out? On the positive side, the GOP gets an attaboy from their base. On the negative side the rest of the world (most notably Russia and China) are free to flood into the just opened Iranian market while the US voluntarily bars itself and has absolutely no prospect of getting a better deal.

I think your sarcasm meter is broken.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well he was the director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years. I think his opinion carries a little more weight than yours.

So what? You didn't even finish reading your own duh-versionary link-

Following several headlines that said Lundestad thought it was a "mistake" to have awarded the prize to Obama, he called a press conference on Thursday to deny that was what he had implied. "Several of you have written that I believe the prize to Obama a mistake, but then you cannot have read the book," Lundestad told reporters, according to VG. "It says nowhere that it was a mistake to give Obama the Peace Prize."

It seems obvious that they won't have any opportunities to make that sort of "mistake" with Trump.

 

[Jhhnn]

What in the world does this response mean? VRAMdemon raised an excellent point-regardless of what you think of the Iran deal (I think it is the best, or very nearly the best, that could have been accomplished) what does the US gain from unilaterally pulling out? On the positive side, the GOP gets an attaboy from their base. On the negative side the rest of the world (most notably Russia and China) are free to flood into the just opened Iranian market while the US voluntarily bars itself and has absolutely no prospect of getting a better deal.

I think your sarcasm meter is broken.

I think he mistook me for somebody else. I probably should have used a sarcasm tag.

It's just Trump trying to breathe more life into a long standing right wing boogie man, The ebil Iranians & their desires to impose Sharia law on the whole fucking world. Revving up the diversionary fear machine, same as with N Korea.

As Thump points out, Trump is playing politics rather than diplomacy & we're all the worse for it. The fact that too many fools fall for it merely deepens the disgrace of Trump as President.

 

[pcgeek11]

So you're just here to whine about a guy and organization who aren't even the subject of the thread and are also unwilling to put forth any effort to complain to the organization who has caused you so much butt hurt since 8 years later you're still whining about it.
So you're lazy, unable to stay on topic, and like to yell at clouds.

I'll take all your posts as a nothing answer to immaterial questions in the future OR you could actually try to get on topic and post something meaningful to the subject at hand.

I'll post whatever I want, but thanks for your opinion.

 

[pcgeek11]

So what? You didn't even finish reading your own duh-versionary link-



It seems obvious that they won't have any opportunities to make that sort of "mistake" with Trump.

I did read the article, You just missed the point. The point he made was it was awarded in HOPE that he would accomplish certain things and those things did not happen. His statement that stands is that did not happen.

Done.

 

[feralkid]

We should work out a deal with Iran to import those beautiful Persian rugs. Flying carpets anyone?

Already been done.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/03/04/persian-rugs-iran-sanctions-428789.html

 

[brycejones]

I'll post whatever I want, but thanks for your opinion.

You're free to post whatever you want. I enjoy laughing at the grumpy old fart constantly yelling at clouds.