Trump to decertify the Iran nuclear deal.

[pcgeek11]

Trump taking over from Obama made Trump look bad right from the get-go simply because Obama was much more of a man and loving father, much more of a real politician, much more presidential and oh so much more of an intellectual of whom broke barriers, won a Nobel Peace Prize and received glowing accolades the world over when he initially took office.

And we all know how Trump reacted to his own inauguration when the comparison was made to Obama's. Yep, right from the get-go and no let-up on Trump's part since.

It would be more honest to say he was given a Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Fun Fact: Iran had democracy before the US overthrew it and replaced it with a dictatorship. They've held a grudge ever since.

I wonder why?

We have a grudge over the embassy takeover.

 

[Sonikku]

We have a grudge over the embassy takeover.

Why do you think the embassy takeover happened? The plan for the coup was plotted under that very roof and the population knew it. Once our figurehead imposed dictator was deposed the storming of the embassy was inevitable.

 

[zinfamous]

It would be more honest to say he was given a Nobel Peace Prize.

good, we should clear this up, then. It is very important.

 

[interchange]

To be honest, I was against the deal from the start because it's terms seem like no real deterrent to development of nuclear arms. But I've now been able to see how important and fickle Iran's progress toward westernization has been. Providing a holding environment that enables changing in attitudes has been very important, but now Trump threatens that and provides momentum for political pendulum swings throughout the world.

 

[Jhhnn]

To be honest, I was against the deal from the start because it's terms seem like no real deterrent to development of nuclear arms. But I've now been able to see how important and fickle Iran's progress toward westernization has been. Providing a holding environment that enables changing in attitudes has been very important, but now Trump threatens that and provides momentum for political pendulum swings throughout the world.

The terms are such that Iran rushed to dispose of their stocks of LEU, mothball production facilities, redesign their heavy water reactor & submit to much more stringent IAEA supervision of nuclear materials than anybody else at the time.

Forget the sticks. 37 years of that got us nowhere. They seem to respond better to carrots.

 

[interchange]

Forget the sticks. 37 years of that got us nowhere. They seem to respond better to carrots.

Just about universally true. Makes you wonder why people reach for the sticks and who they're really for.

 

[fskimospy]

To be honest, I was against the deal from the start because it's terms seem like no real deterrent to development of nuclear arms. But I've now been able to see how important and fickle Iran's progress toward westernization has been. Providing a holding environment that enables changing in attitudes has been very important, but now Trump threatens that and provides momentum for political pendulum swings throughout the world.

Why was it not a deterrent to the development of nuclear weapons? Iran was getting quite close to a bomb and by all indications I am aware of that has stopped.

 

[Thebobo]

BREAKING NEWS...

President Obama's bill passed in 2015 that ends cancer, Trump has revoked it. Asked for comment Trump said "ending cancer is unconstitutional and an illegal act by an out of control administration"

haha

 

[Sonikku]

BREAKING NEWS...

President Obama's bill passed in 2015 that ends cancer, Trump has revoked it. Asked for comment Trump said "ending cancer is unconstitutional and an illegal act by an out of control administration"

His socialism is taking money right out of the hands of pharmaceutical capitalists!

 

[interchange]

Why was it not a deterrent to the development of nuclear weapons? Iran was getting quite close to a bomb and by all indications I am aware of that has stopped.

What's your experience with the phrase "to be honest"?

 

[trenchfoot]

It would be more honest to say he was given a Nobel Peace Prize.

Ah yes, I remember that GOP talking point being spread around along with the astronomically proliferous number of other accusations, innuendo, rumors and outright lies that accompanied that little gem. Thanks for jogging my memory on the way things were when we had a real president at the helm.

Don't you miss those days when all the knuckle dragging ape Repubs in the legislature had to do was sling crap at Obama through the bars of their cages with glee and obstruct obstruct obstruct instead of having to actually get things done like they're NOT doing now?

 

[fskimospy]

What's your experience with the phrase "to be honest"?

It indicates someone is claiming their next statement will be honest?

 

[Puffnstuff]

We should work out a deal with Iran to import those beautiful Persian rugs. Flying carpets anyone?

 

[ivwshane]

Why was it not a deterrent to the development of nuclear weapons? Iran was getting quite close to a bomb and by all indications I am aware of that has stopped.

He's stating that is what he used to think but he has since seen the error of his thinking or his original thinking has proven to be wrong.

I applaud anyone who is willing to change their position after receiving new facts and information.

 

[interchange]

It indicates someone is claiming their next statement will be honest?

Not sure why that qualifier would be important then, unless the person otherwise intends to lie. But, yeah, it was some defensiveness about the position. It wasn't well-judged and reactive only to media reports on less desirable attributes like warning periods before inspection. I hadn't thought it through, but then again, I don't think most things through. I'm not a politician so I prefer exploring humanity through political discourse to actually doing something.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not sure why that qualifier would be important then, unless the person otherwise intends to lie. But, yeah, it was some defensiveness about the position. It wasn't well-judged and reactive only to media reports on less desirable attributes like warning periods before inspection. I hadn't thought it through, but then again, I don't think most things through. I'm not a politician so I prefer exploring humanity through political discourse to actually doing something.

To be honest, your methodology appeals to me. I look at politics as the mathematical equivalent of machine vs consious behavior, namely that any quality to our politics is dependent of the consciousness each of us brings to it, such that any attempt to improve our politics is dependent pretty much exclusively to each of our efforts at consious evolution. I personally think the exploration of humanity is just another way to describe that consious endeavor. Naturally, if I may add, doing that also amounts to doing something even if not closely defined as political.

 

[Thump553]

Meanwhile, the Iranians & the rest of the 5+1 will just sail on... getting down to the business of making money. It's extremely unlikely that Iran will violate the nuclear provisions of the deal... You know, the part that really matters. They built their nuclear weapons capabilities so that they could bargain them away for trade & diplomatic concessions from the West. Obama wisely accepted the offer, made the best deal he could get to prevent nuclear proliferation.

This. Let's say that Trump decertifies (in direct opposition to what the sec of State, Defense Dept and the various intelligence agencies consulted) adn the GOP Congress, in their usual boneheded manner, upholds the decertification. The rest of the parties to the treaties think Iran is complying. So the US enters into new sanctions while the rest of the world drops their sanctions.

Iran has roughly forty years worth of pent up demand for oil field equipment and other big ticket items. Europe and China get the orders, US is left out in the cold.

Trump is a job creator, but the jobs he is creating are for our overseas competitors.

Tillerson was right.

 

[pcgeek11]

good, we should clear this up, then. It is very important.

It is good we are on the same page.

 

[pcgeek11]

Ah yes, I remember that GOP talking point being spread around along with the astronomically proliferous number of other accusations, innuendo, rumors and outright lies that accompanied that little gem. Thanks for jogging my memory on the way things were when we had a real president at the helm.

Don't you miss those days when all the knuckle dragging ape Repubs in the legislature had to do was sling crap at Obama through the bars of their cages with glee and obstruct obstruct obstruct instead of having to actually get things done like they're NOT doing now?

What did he do to deserve a peace prize before it was awarded then. Be specific.

 

[brycejones]

What did he do to deserve a peace prize before it was awarded then. Be specific.

Write a sternly worded email to the Nobel committee expressing your continued butt hurt over their decision. I'm sure they will take it as seriously as the rest of us do.

Next up pcgeek yells at grass and clouds.....

 

[cytg111]

Trump taking over from Obama made Trump look bad right from the get-go simply because Obama was much more of a man and loving father, much more of a real politician, much more presidential and oh so much more of an intellectual of whom broke barriers, won a Nobel Peace Prize and received glowing accolades the world over when he initially took office.

And we all know how Trump reacted to his own inauguration when the comparison was made to Obama's. Yep, right from the get-go and no let-up on Trump's part since.

Much more of a human being is what you are saying? Indeed.

 

[cytg111]

What did he do to deserve a peace prize before it was awarded then. Be specific.

International diplomacy, a push for a globe at peace? The exact opposite of what Trump is doing now?

 

[shortylickens]

Donald is way too stupid to be trying real diplomacy.
He should stick to things like flags and football.

 

[trenchfoot]

What did he do to deserve a peace prize before it was awarded then. Be specific.

I believe those folks in Oslo said it better than I ever could:

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html

On a personal note, and being as specific as I can be, the only other thing I could add in to the above is that Obama also deserved to be awarded the Peace Prize because his personal beliefs prevented the Chicken Hawk Neocons in the GOP from spreading their warmongering agenda to even more parts of the world had they retained a grip on the government.

As an unintended consequence of which I thoroughly enjoyed, I got to witness how the far right went absolutely apeshit stupid with anger, envy and disbelief upon hearing that Obama had been awarded the coveted prize. His award was akin to pouring salt in the deep wounds the GOP was already suffering from due to the additional losses they got hit with in the election that Obama won.

The outrage being felt by the right that a black man could beat anyone that the Repubs could come up with was an insult that was almost too much to bear, let alone being awarded a prize that three other Democrat presidents had already been awarded and notably, not a single Republican president had the honor of receiving.

Gee, I wonder why?