Trump to decertify the Iran nuclear deal.

[Puffnstuff]

Not at all.

Your post says otherwise.

 

[Thebobo]

I've already done my part for this country. Have you served in our armed forces?

So you're not going to fight the infidels?

And nope I was too young for vietnam and too old for the gulf wars. But I wouldn't have joined to fight in any of of those corporate wars. But you can you can go play cannon fodder for mega corporations under the quise of protecting our freedoms all you want.

 

[fskimospy]

I've already done my part for this country. Have you served in our armed forces?

Having served in the military doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to send other people off to die in stupid wars of choice.

 

[K1052]

Governing is hard. Who knew?

Such good deals. Beautiful deals. Fast!

 

[Puffnstuff]

So you're not going to fight the infidels?

And nope I was too young for vietnam and too old for the gulf wars. But I wouldn't have joined to fight in any of of those corporate wars. But you can you can go play cannon fodder for mega corporations under the quise of protecting our freedoms all you want.

Confirmed snowflake.

Having served in the military doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to send other people off to die in stupid wars of choice.

You're right, it doesn't.

 

[brycejones]

Such good deals. Beautiful deals. Fast!

Trump has made so many deals so fast the winning is unbelievable the mostest winning everest in the history of the US. The bigliest deals, the best deals, America is winning so much!

 

[K1052]

The problem with Trump's typical shortsighted strategy starting to become evident:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/trumps-irrational-hatred-of-the-iran-deal

Decertifying the Iran agreement would fracture the United States’ credibility among its original partners in the deal. It would open a rift with China just as it is weighing whether to join the United States again, this time in negotiating with North Korea. Global Times, a state-backed Chinese newspaper, has asked, “If America would overturn a pact it made to the rest of the world, solely because of a transition in government, how can it retain the reputation of a great power?”

Without confidence that the US will uphold it's end of any agreements made (economic/political/security) there will be little interest in pursuing such agreements. This will (and already is) spill over into US trade efforts to secure Trump's beloved bilateral deals. Why waste time negotiating with a greedy lowballer who will just try to worm out anyway or stiff you later? In a significant way this reflects Trump's business practices.

 

[fskimospy]

The problem with Trump's typical shortsighted strategy starting to become evident:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/trumps-irrational-hatred-of-the-iran-deal

Without confidence that the US will uphold it's end of any agreements made (economic/political/security) there will be little interest in pursuing such agreements. This will (and already is) spill over into US trade efforts to secure Trump's beloved bilateral deals. Why waste time negotiating with a greedy lowballer who will just try to worm out anyway or stiff you later? In a significant way this reflects Trump's business practices.

It is an amazing 'worst of both worlds' type of deal. It undermines US credibility while at the same time accomplishing no policy objective. The stupidity here is just off the charts. If he wants to decertify the deal to get a better deal, why on earth would any of the participants in the original deal participate? Clearly the US can't be trusted to stick to its commitments on this issue so why bother negotiating with us?

As you said, this will likely bleed over into other areas. It will also have long term consequences for many years after Trump is gone. I know every party negotiating with the US going forward, even with a new and presumably competent president, will be thinking 'yeah sure you'll stick to this but what if you elect another crazy person in four years'? Expect demands for much stricter compliance measures going forward as Trump is squandering credibility that the US has spent 70 years building.

 

[K1052]

It is an amazing 'worst of both worlds' type of deal. It undermines US credibility while at the same time accomplishing no policy objective. The stupidity here is just off the charts. If he wants to decertify the deal to get a better deal, why on earth would any of the participants in the original deal participate? Clearly the US can't be trusted to stick to its commitments on this issue so why bother negotiating with us?

As you said, this will likely bleed over into other areas. It will also have long term consequences for many years after Trump is gone. I know every party negotiating with the US going forward, even with a new and presumably competent president, will be thinking 'yeah sure you'll stick to this but what if you elect another crazy person in four years'? Expect demands for much stricter compliance measures going forward as Trump is squandering credibility that the US has spent 70 years building.

It already has started. Japan practically won't pick up the phone now to even just hear US pleas for a trade deal on ag products. They stuck an arm out for TPP and Trump casually lopped it off for domestic political purposes. They won't make the same mistake twice.

Good thinking farm/livestock states....Trump's going to close off your export markets.

 

[zinfamous]

The problem with Trump's typical shortsighted strategy starting to become evident:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/trumps-irrational-hatred-of-the-iran-deal



Without confidence that the US will uphold it's end of any agreements made (economic/political/security) there will be little interest in pursuing such agreements. This will (and already is) spill over into US trade efforts to secure Trump's beloved bilateral deals. Why waste time negotiating with a greedy lowballer who will just try to worm out anyway or stiff you later? In a significant way this reflects Trump's business practices.

It's as if the guy that proudly stands on a stage like this:

Is the type of guy that thinks he is singly more important than the country he is charged with leading and with representing on the international stage. One who is not blind might see this sort of thing and think, instantly, "holy shit; this is a fucking tyrant that will undermine everything that this country stands for, purely in service of himself." Look how he squashes the flag in clear and total subservience to himself. Look how much more important he is than the actual country. It's as if none of this was obvious from the very fucking beginning.

It's as if a deplorable number of so-called patriots didn't understand the very obvious, very real, and very intentional messaging. Guess what, republicans: you own all of this.

 

[Fern]

The US didn't do the Iran deal as a treaty and everybody knew it at the time. And these countries, including Iran knew what that meant. And you don't put a clause in the deal requiring recertification every 90 days if there's no expectation you won't opt out.

Our hugely lurching foreign policy and abandoning allies is the real cause of mistrust. Hosni Mubarak, among others, says F.U.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

The US didn't do the Iran deal as a treaty and everybody knew it at the time. And these countries, including Iran knew what that meant. And you don't put a clause in the deal requiring recertification every 90 days if there's no expectation you won't opt out.

Our hugely lurching foreign policy and abandoning allies is the real cause of mistrust. Hosni Mubarak, among others, says F.U.

Fern

The 90 day recertification is there to quickly punish & inhibit Iran if they welch on the deal at all. They haven't.

And, uhh, what do you mean when you say everybody knows what it means, anyway?

I don't think that the 88 year old Mubarak is relevant. He just got out of prison earlier this year.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/middleeast/egypt-mubarak-released/index.html

 

[HomerJS]

Anyone recall Trump constantly ranting how Obama signed the worst deal in history and is threatening to end it? Well here's what Pompeo said at the hearing what he thinks would be the result if the US backs out of the deal.

The CIA director added that he did not believe Iran would be able to quickly develop nuclear weapons should the agreement fall apart. Tehran has recently threatened to quickly resume suspended nuclear activities if Trump withdraws from the deal.

https://www.rferl.org/a/pompeo-trum...ngthen-fix-iranian-nuclear-deal/29163468.html

So why is staying in the deal a bad thing? I'm confused.