Trump to China : Here, take over PacRim, it's yours.

[agent00f]

AND.... America is SHRINKING in every one of those categories while China is GROWING RAPIDLY in each of them. China has nearly DOUBLE the number of patent applications and nearly equal the number of granted patents. As it becomes more skilled at manufacturing, it will become the generator of most IP. What is happening now is very much akin to what happened when America rose. India will likely surpass America as well. Asia is the future of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators

Catching up doesn't imply surpassing, simply witness japan. Regardless, you have to do what's in your best economic interest, and that's not going back to sew cloths.

 

[ivwshane]

Hey I'm just relying on print news and the part that has been posted. Grab a random page and read it you'll see.

You seem to be intentionally avoiding my request. You made a claim, I'm asking you to back up that claim. I've already read up on the agreement and not one article I've read mentioned the issue you raised and not one article covered the agreement in its entirety. Either share with the group your source or admit you pulled your claim from your ass.

 

[bshole]

America just produce/sell different kinds of things now, like intellectual property. Competing with cheaper countries on for example textile production makes no sense, no matter how much the dummies feel like they deserve middle class wages for low-profit work. The point of these agreements is horse trading some of what we want with what textile producers etc want, eg better IP protection for access to markets sort of thing.

You realize that MILLIONS of American minorities fill those roles? That this directly affects their quality of life?

 

[bshole]

Catching up doesn't imply surpassing, simply witness japan. Regardless, you have to do what's in your best economic interest, and that's not going back to sew cloths.

Japan with a SMALLER population and no natural resources vs China with a massively larger population and massive natural resources....

 

[agent00f]

You realize that MILLIONS of American minorities fill those roles? That this directly affects their quality of life?

That's why the smart people had better plans in mind like putting them through better schools. Too bad half the country really hates this.

 

[agent00f]

Japan with a SMALLER population and no natural resources vs China with a massively larger population and massive natural resources....

China doesn't have more resources per capita. Merica will have the lead in that dept for the foreseeable future.

 

[bshole]

That's why the smart people had better plans in mind like putting them through better schools. Too bad half the country really hates this.

TO FILL WHAT FUCKING JOBS!:?!!! Where in the hell have you been living? Jesus Fucking Christ! Are you not fucking aware that they are shipping highly skilled, highly educated professional jobs to Asia now?

THERE is a reason that the middle class is evaporating.....

 

[agent00f]

TO FILL WHAT FUCKING JOBS!:?!!! Where in the hell have you been living? Jesus Fucking Christ! Are you not fucking aware that they are shipping highly skilled, highly educated professional jobs to Asia now?

THERE is a reason that the middle class is evaporating.....

Have a seat and ponder this some more. Would you rather have whatever wages come with a highly skilled job or sewing cloths? Notice they're not exactly paid the same in asia either, and if anything the opposite.

 

[ivwshane]

TO FILL WHAT FUCKING JOBS!:?!!! Where in the hell have you been living? Jesus Fucking Christ! Are you not fucking aware that they are shipping highly skilled, highly educated professional jobs to Asia now?

THERE is a reason that the middle class is evaporating.....

Yeah, more middle class people are becoming richer and the poor are having a harder time of moving into the middle class.

But facts have never been your forte.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You seem to be intentionally avoiding my request. You made a claim, I'm asking you to back up that claim. I've already read up on the agreement and not one article I've read mentioned the issue you raised and not one article covered the agreement in its entirety. Either share with the group your source or admit you pulled your claim from your ass.

Its a complicated agreement, its obvious. You are looking to bicker over it.
Again its exceedingly rare that very complex agreements work out well. I see little benefit and much risk. Nobody reputable has spoken about what the deal will specifically accomplish, maybe this is the problem.

 

[ivwshane]

Its a complicated agreement, its obvious. You are looking to bicker over it.
Again its exceedingly rare that very complex agreements work out well.

So again, your claim was pulled out of your ass. We get it, you are another low information voter who relies on your gut.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So again, your claim was pulled out of your ass. We get it, you are another low information voter who relies on your gut.

Or so again you are looking to bicker. My claim stands its an exceedingly complicated deal and complicated deals usually don't work. We can play this silly game all day, I have tons of time.
You aren't required to agree with me.

 

[ivwshane]

Or so again you are looking to bicker. My claim stands its an exceedingly complicated deal and complicated deals usually don't work. We can play this silly game all day, I have tons of time.
You aren't required to agree with me.

I'm not looking to bicker I'm looking to get factual information from you so that I may be better informed. If you are pulling things out of your ass then admit it and I can ignore your uninformed opinion like I do with most other uninformed opinions.

So then experts haven't been saying the text is badly worded and open to interpretation?

Do you know how a discussion works?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So then experts haven't been saying the text is badly worded and open to interpretation?

Do you know how a discussion works?

The two(?) I saw on the broadcast news disagree.

And again an insult. Why do you want to fight over this, why must you have the last word?

 

[agent00f]

Its a complicated agreement, its obvious. You are looking to bicker over it.
Again its exceedingly rare that very complex agreements work out well. I see little benefit and much risk. Nobody reputable has spoken about what the deal will specifically accomplish, maybe this is the problem.

The reason why it's complicated is because 1. it's collection of many things, 2. the work involved is necessarily so.

A bulk of these trade agreement is homogenizing standards. These standards are bit complicated to start with (eg fire-resistance/material in various home fixtures among a vast list), and somewhat more so when two parties have to agree to a compromise.

Basically the agreements reduce the amount of artificial friction in trade. This has the side effect of reducing jobs reliant on that friction, for which a country should have some responsibly to provide a soft landing.

Unfortunately we as a country still lack the necessary maturity to discuss these matters seriously, thus the derp durp illegals talk instead.

I'm not looking to bicker I'm looking to get factual information from you so that I may be better informed. If you are pulling things out of your ass then admit it and I can ignore your uninformed opinion like I do with most other uninformed opinions.

So then experts haven't been saying the text is badly worded and open to interpretation?

Do you know how a discussion works?

Sometimes it pays to explain things to people who can understand them.

 

[bshole]

Yeah, more middle class people are becoming richer and the poor are having a harder time of moving into the middle class.

But facts have never been your forte.

I can't find a single source to back up your claim of a burgeoning middle class. I can find hundreds explaining the opposite. I will give you one. If you respond again perhaps I will link 10 more. I would like just one from you that proves the opposite.

From a random website I found the following. I will define the middle class salary the same way it was back in 1939, 50% of the cost of an average new home. That would be $120K/yr today. Weirdly $120k would put you in the top 10% of income earners in America which would technically make you upper class not middle class. It does not change the fact that your buying power is functionally the same as an unskilled laborer from the 30s and FAR less than what the professionals of that era were compensated. For example if I was compensated the same as an engineer was in the 1930s (around $3600) I would be making $240K today.

The shrinking middle class refers to their shrinking buying power and financial security. The evidence of this is quite irrefutable.

This chart shows the impact of inflation and the declining purchasing power of the US dollar. For example, a new home adjusting for inflation (using the BLS calculator) should cost around $64,597 per year. The current cost of a new home? $245,800. The average income has stayed about the same normalizing for inflation (doesn’t say much since we are going back to the Great Depression here). A new home today costs nearly 10 times the annual average income of a worker. The two income trap has largely hidden this inflation since it now takes two households to accomplish what one income was able to do 75 years ago. On top of that, people now need to go into massive debt just to purchase a home.

Take a look at the cost of a new car as well. In 1938 a worker was able to purchase a new car with one-third of their annual income. Today a new car is more expensive than the annual average income. This is why in 2013 one of the top growing consumer debt sectors was with automobile loans. If things stayed the same, the cost of attending Harvard for one year in 2013 would be closer to $7,000 per year (the current tuition is $54,496 per year). It isn’t only Harvard charging incredibly high tuition around the country. Of course the higher education bubble is one of the most pressing issues around creating a $1.2 trillion student debt market.

Rent, movie tickets, and even gasoline are much more expensive today adjusting for inflation. This puts a heavier strain on the pocketbook of most Americans. It also has created a dependency on debt. We do have stronger safety nets so we don’t have the “in your face” poverty of the Great Depression. Yet we still have close to 48 million Americans on food stamps. The area that has seen prices become more affordable is with food. This however is largely derived from better access to food and products and the mass production of this commodity. Yet the bigger costs of living in housing, cars, rent, and going to college are all much more expensive today. It may feel cheaper to some if they only look at their monthly debt payment but the true costs have increased.

http://www.mybudget360.com/cost-of-living-1938-to-2013-inflation-history-cost-of-goods-inflation/

 

[JSt0rm]

Let the readers decided. mr. 99.99% = oh just a figure of speech.

No amount of spin can wash away the shame. Just like the readers can see in this thread how you and agent00f would NOT dare to take on the challenge from me. Keep bending over and fold and running your little lying mouths. LOL.

99% of the time I dont feel any shame.

 

[Svnla]

99% of the time I dont feel any shame.

Of course you don't. Lying too much will do that to you.

 

[JSt0rm]

Of course you don't. Lying too much will do that to you.

99.9% of the time I do not lie.

 

[JSt0rm]

guns make you less safe

 

[Svnla]

99.9% of the time I do not lie.

Oh really? Any evidences that I am an old white male, overweight by 40 lbs, with fat and ugly wife as you accused me of last time? Or were those just "figure of speech"?

Spin baby spin. Can't run away from the facts.

 

[JSt0rm]

Whats funny is the real number was 93%. like just off the top of my head I was within 6 points.


Maybe I see the problem with you now. How would me insulting you based on how I see you be fact? I mean I dont doubt you are low information low iq bafoon but maybe you are younger and not over weight and your wife is hot but you certainly havent produced any evidence to the contrary.

 

[bshole]

Whats funny is the real number was 93%. like just off the top of my head I was within 6 points.


Maybe I see the problem with you now. How would me insulting you based on how I see you be fact? I mean I dont doubt you are low information low iq bafoon but maybe you are younger and not over weight and your wife is hot but you certainly havent produced any evidence to the contrary.

Is hot wives something that crosses political boundaries for males, ie, do all males see a hot wife as the supreme marker of achievement?

 

[Svnla]

Whats funny is the real number was 93%. like just off the top of my head I was within 6 points.


Maybe I see the problem with you now. How would me insulting you based on how I see you be fact? I mean I dont doubt you are low information low iq bafoon but maybe you are younger and not over weight and your wife is hot but you certainly havent produced any evidence to the contrary.

So no go? No evidence at all? Nada, zip, nothing? All hot air bullshit and not a single evidence? Uh huh. What else is new from the brain power of jstorm and his crew.

Yeah, I am a low information iq bafoon as you claimed, you figured out me perfectly, eh? See the evidences of your claims above.

I do not need to remind you in that thread that I asked for evidences of armed invaders that just invaded and left after they took what they wanted and you gave me something else and pulled the 99.99% as facts and who is the low iq moron again?

What's that old saying? Better keep your mouth shut and let others think you are a dummy than speak up out loud (accusations in this case for you) and remove all doubt.

 

[ivwshane]

I can't find a single source to back up your claim of a burgeoning middle class. I can find hundreds explaining the opposite. I will give you one. If you respond again perhaps I will link 10 more. I would like just one from you that proves the opposite.

From a random website I found the following. I will define the middle class salary the same way it was back in 1939, 50% of the cost of an average new home. That would be $120K/yr today. Weirdly $120k would put you in the top 10% of income earners in America which would technically make you upper class not middle class. It does not change the fact that your buying power is functionally the same as an unskilled laborer from the 30s and FAR less than what the professionals of that era were compensated. For example if I was compensated the same as an engineer was in the 1930s (around $3600) I would be making $240K today.

The shrinking middle class refers to their shrinking buying power and financial security. The evidence of this is quite irrefutable.

http://www.mybudget360.com/cost-of-living-1938-to-2013-inflation-history-cost-of-goods-inflation/

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016...-middle-class-is-larger-and-richer-than-ever/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...too-rich-to-be-middle-class-now/#6cb723702a60

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/07/484941939/a-portrait-of-americas-middle-class-by-the-numbers