Trump to advance Keystone, Dakota Access pipelines

[imported_tajmahal]

How does that work though, do mineral rights give them the right to physical access to the property and to what end? Can they knock down dwellings, fencing and tear up farms in order to get to their "minerals"? I always assumed that mineral rights meant no one else could extract the minerals without the mineral rights owners permission/compensation. I would have never thought that it gave them free reign over your property.

No they can't knock down dwellings or bust fences without compensation, but the land owner must allow access, it's in their deed. They probably don't own the water rights on the land either, they'll be prohibited from drilling their own wells. It'll be on their deed, i'm sure the reason they got the land at the price they did was that they gave up the mineral rights when they bought it. Pretty much what IronWing said.

 

[Darwin333]

No they can't knock down dwellings or bust fences without compensation, but the land owner must allow access, it's in their deed. They probably don't own the water rights on the land either, they'll be prohibited from drilling their own wells. It'll be on their deed, i'm sure the reason they got the land at the price they did was that they gave up the mineral rights when they bought it. Pretty much what IronWing said.

Well if it's in the deed then that's the end of it but really, they could potentially bust down your house as long as they "compensate" you for it? People buy property with that kind of bullshit on the deed?

 

[pcgeek11]

Well if it's in the deed then that's the end of it but really, they could potentially bust down your house as long as they "compensate" you for it? People buy property with that kind of bullshit on the deed?

Yes, because they do not read it before signing it.

 

[MongGrel]

Some snowflakes will not accept the truth no matter how many times you provide them with evidence. Pipelines are monitored every step of the way and when a problem occurs it stops the flow until its corrected. In the upper Midwest many of the oil trains are not equipped with PTC's which means that hours can pass before anyone realizes that a derailment has occurred. Even some of the larger carriers haven't installed them yet because of the high associated costs and continue to receive waivers as they've past the mandatory due dates for having them.

Furthermore, pipelines confine the flow to a specific area so if there were a leak you know exactly where it happened at. If trains are going to continue to be allowed to carry crude, which is highly flammable, the tankers should have mandatory gps and radio tracking on them with status reporting so when a problem occurs a notification is sent out at that time with its location for the carrier to respond appropriately to.

Sure they are

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...adian-oil-pipeline-spill-officials/ar-AAmhP8s

 

[raildogg]

I heard someone say that America was founded by incidents like the Dakota pipeline.

So the continuation of America's policies haven't changed. Manifest Destiny.

 

[Thebobo]

Some snowflakes will not accept the truth no matter how many times you provide them with evidence. Pipelines are monitored every step of the way and when a problem occurs it stops the flow until its corrected. In the upper Midwest many of the oil trains are not equipped with PTC's which means that hours can pass before anyone realizes that a derailment has occurred. Even some of the larger carriers haven't installed them yet because of the high associated costs and continue to receive waivers as they've past the mandatory due dates for having them.

Furthermore, pipelines confine the flow to a specific area so if there were a leak you know exactly where it happened at. If trains are going to continue to be allowed to carry crude, which is highly flammable, the tankers should have mandatory gps and radio tracking on them with status reporting so when a problem occurs a notification is sent out at that time with its location for the carrier to respond appropriately to.

This is how I read your post.

Some snowflakes /end

 

[thraashman]

White House: Keystone exempt from 'Buy American' requirements

“We put you heavy into the pipeline business because we approved, as you know, the Keystone Pipeline, but they have to buy ... steel made in this country and pipelines made in this country,” Trump told U.S. Steel Chief Executive Mario Longhi at a Feb. 23 meeting.

Trump lied and/or went back on a promise! I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya ... well not that shocked.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yea, they are real responsible stewards of our world.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-santa-barbara-county-oil-spill-20160517-snap-story.html

 

[Double Trouble]

White House: Keystone exempt from 'Buy American' requirements

Trump lied and/or went back on a promise! I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya ... well not that shocked.

Trump signed the order calling for the Commerce Department to develop a plan for U.S. steel to be used in “all new pipelines, as well as retrofitted, repaired or expanded pipelines” inside the U.S. projects “to the maximum extent possible.”

"The Keystone XL Pipeline is currently in the process of being constructed, so it does not count as a new, retrofitted, repaired or expanded pipeline,”

This keystone pipeline doesn't fall under the coverage of that EO. Unless a new EO is issued specifically to cover this pipeline, which I'm sure would create legal problems, how would the requirement be applied to this existing pipeline?

 

[R0H1T]

White House: Keystone exempt from 'Buy American' requirements

Trump lied and/or went back on a promise! I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya ... well not that shocked.

Meanwhile all is well in La La Land

 

[thraashman]

This keystone pipeline doesn't fall under the coverage of that EO. Unless a new EO is issued specifically to cover this pipeline, which I'm sure would create legal problems, how would the requirement be applied to this existing pipeline?

You must have missed this part that I quoted.

“We put you heavy into the pipeline business because we approved, as you know, the Keystone Pipeline, but they have to buy ... steel made in this country and pipelines made in this country,” Trump told U.S. Steel Chief Executive Mario Longhi at a Feb. 23 meeting.

So depending on your viewpoint he either lied or went back on a promise. There is no third option here.

 

[herm0016]

There was aprox. 1100 feet to go. So they kept using the materials they already had. You are an idiot for making something out of this one.

 

[K1052]

There was aprox. 1100 feet to go. So they kept using the materials they already had. You are an idiot for making something out of this one.

No, that's DAPL.

Keystone phase 4 has 350 miles to go.

 

[herm0016]

No, that's DAPL.

Keystone phase 4 has 350 miles to go.

Oh hell. I thought you guys were on dapl again. 350 miles is not all that much either, and the same thing applies, they already have contracts and materials I would imagine.

 

[K1052]

Oh hell. I thought you guys were on dapl again. 350 miles is not all that much either, and the same thing applies, they already have contracts and materials I would imagine.

Tell that to the Great Yam who said that not only would he get more money from Transcanada they'd use all US steel/products. Now it's "uh never mind". This administration operates by ready, fire, aim.

 

[Double Trouble]

You must have missed this part that I quoted.
So depending on your viewpoint he either lied or went back on a promise. There is no third option here.

To the extent that they don't already have materials and contracts in place and that they then get that steel from outside the US, it would be Trump not fulfilling a promise. Do we know that though? Do we know that US steel won't be purchased, and do we know they don't already have the materials or contracts to buy the materials place?

 

[thraashman]

To the extent that they don't already have materials and contracts in place and that they then get that steel from outside the US, it would be Trump not fulfilling a promise. Do we know that though? Do we know that US steel won't be purchased, and do we know they don't already have the materials or contracts to buy the materials place?

Said by Trump - "they have to buy"
Now being said by White House - "Keystone exempt from 'Buy American' requirements"
Might they choose to do it on their own? Possibly. But there is a difference between "have to" and "can if they want".

 

[Double Trouble]

Said by Trump - "they have to buy"
Now being said by White House - "Keystone exempt from 'Buy American' requirements"
Might they choose to do it on their own? Possibly. But there is a difference between "have to" and "can if they want".

Fair enough, I agree with that.

 

[Thebobo]

Ops
Good job Transcanada. Thanks for dumping your oil in our country.

"TransCanada shuts down Keystone after oil seeps to surface

Alberta-based TransCanada Corp has shut down its Keystone pipeline after crews spotted oil near a pump station in South Dakota, the company said in a statement on Monday.

Leak discovered by passerby
The chairman of the South Dakota watchdog, Chris Nelson, confirmed that there was a spill from Keystone, and that state environmental officials were overseeing the cleanup. In a brief phone interview, he told National Observer that a member of the public may have been the one that discovered the spill.

"My understanding is that it was a passerby that observed it and called the company," said Nelson, chairman of the South Dakota Public Utilities Commission.

If confirmed, this would mean that the company's leak detection system failed to identify the incident."

 

[Puffnstuff]

Yes leak detection and immediate shutdown in conjunction with an alarm are supposed to be an integral part of the pipeline system. The EPA will have to do something about it to prevent another one.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yes leak detection and immediate shutdown in conjunction with an alarm are supposed to be an integral part of the pipeline system. The EPA will have to do something about it to prevent another one.

Oh, you mean the soon to be crippled EPA. They will get right on it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes leak detection and immediate shutdown in conjunction with an alarm are supposed to be an integral part of the pipeline system. The EPA will have to do something about it to prevent another one.

Oh sure, Pruitt cares

 

[zinfamous]

Bit there is zero chance that a pipeline will spill oil!

Must be that Russian steel.

 

[Paratus]

Yes leak detection and immediate shutdown in conjunction with an alarm are supposed to be an integral part of the pipeline system. The EPA will have to do something about it to prevent another one.

Lol. Why should the EPA come down on this company with onerous job killing regulations like forcing them to clean up this spill?

There's no way they should have to pay someone to clean up the oil!

Bit there is zero chance that a pipeline will spill oil!

Must be that Russian steel.

Hey just think about all those jobs they will create paying someone to clean up the oil spills!

(Like how I took credit for both sides of the argument? Trying to think win-win like a conservative here. )

 

[Puffnstuff]

Lol. Why should the EPA come down on this company with onerous job killing regulations like forcing them to clean up this spill?

There's no way they should have to pay someone to clean up the oil!

In the midst of your sarcasm you are missing one critical point in all of this. Having the oil in a pipeline has minimized the contamination area versus transport by tanker car which exposes much more of the environment to the risk of contamination.