Trump to advance Keystone, Dakota Access pipelines

[pcgeek11]

Because it goes right through Native American land. Pipeline leaks, water gets poisoned, Natives die from thirst, nobody cares.

Keep in mind that it isn't just hot air and bluster. The pipeline's security used attack dogs on the Native American protestors. They really, REALLY don't want the red man to have any say on what's done to them.

The actual fact is the Dakota pipeline doesn't go on the reservation at all.

The pipeline is actually safer than driving trucks and trains to transport the oil.

 

[herm0016]

facts: George Soros, who owns Union pacific, was funding the anti-pipline stuff because his trains transport the oil right now. what is safer? pipelines, not trains. more energy efficient? pipelines. etc. i'm not sure about keystone, but the dapl does not actually go on the res land and there are already a bunch of pipelines that are older and somewhat more likely to have problems upstream of the lake. There is literally 1100 feet of pipe to finish for dapl. that's a good 2 or 3 days of drilling with the rig they moved in there. another day to run the casing and pipe.

 

[feralkid]

No nation on this earth exists without conquest. The land wasn't stolen, it was won through conquest.

Doesn't make it right.

 

[Thump553]

No, he doesn't. He sold all his shares last June. Google is your friend

You are assuming what Trump and/or his spokespeople say is true, without a scintilla of verifiable proof. Given his penchant for flat out lying I'm not wiling to so do so. Given his penchant for shady deals, I would also need proof that his interest was sold on the market for FMV to unrelated third parties. What Trump could have easily done is a sweetheart deal with one of his kids/trusts/etc.

It's sad when you can have absolutely no faith in the President to tell the truth about anything, but Trump has earned his badge of shame.

 

[theeedude]

Best protest is reducing your gasoline consumption by buying a more efficient or electric car, carpooling, commuting by public transit, or biking to work. Reducing demand even a small amount can crash oil prices, oil sands will be some of the first to become unprofitable.

 

[feralkid]

The actual fact is the Dakota pipeline doesn't go on the reservation at all.

The pipeline is actually safer than driving trucks and trains to transport the oil.

Safer for some things, not for others.

Definitely not safer for the nation's aquifers.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You are assuming what Trump and/or his spokespeople say is true, without a scintilla of verifiable proof. Given his penchant for flat out lying I'm not wiling to so do so. Given his penchant for shady deals, I would also need proof that his interest was sold on the market for FMV to unrelated third parties. What Trump could have easily done is a sweetheart deal with one of his kids/trusts/etc.

It's sad when you can have absolutely no faith in the President to tell the truth about anything, but Trump has earned his badge of shame.

If you like your pipeline, you can keep your pipeline. PERIOD! Yeah, we learned who the fsking liars were.

 

[OutHouse]

Safer for some things, not for others.

Definitely not safer for the nation's aquifers.

lol dude. im more concerned about fracking fuckcing up the aquifers than a pipeline.

 

[OutHouse]

Ah yes, red people aren't people, so if they die, nobody died. Gotcha.

more hysterics. are you on your period? i hear eating chocolate and watching sleepless in seattle helps, you may want to give it a try to get you through your difficult time.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Let me guess - No one advocating against the North Dakota pipeline has a single clue of what it's like to work in the Oil and Gas Industry. You're totally, and entirely clueless, right?

That's the only explanation for someone that is retarded enough to think that running a pipeline under a river is more dangerous or susceptible to spilling than ALL other modes of transportation (Barge, Ship, Rail, Truck, etc...)

But go ahead and keep making your look stupid.


If you're arguing the number of jobs it creates, that's fine - that at least has some substance. At the end of the day, presuming the government isn't paying for the construction - who really cares how many jobs it creates? At the end of the day it doesn't prevent alternative energies from ramping up production.

 

[pcgeek11]

Safer for some things, not for others.

Definitely not safer for the nation's aquifers.

In the grand scheme it is overall safer than any other mode of transport. Even for the aquifers. A train wreck can also be soaked into the aquifer and into a river, lake, pond ...

 

[K1052]

In the grand scheme it is overall safer than any other mode of transport. Even for the aquifers. A train wreck can also be soaked into the aquifer and into a river, lake, pond ...

A train derailment isn't likely to dump a million gallons of diluted bitumen into a river, as has happened before.

While typically safer in terms of human life the risk to the environment is higher since a far larger volume of product can escape before anybody notices.

 

[pcgeek11]

A train derailment isn't likely to dump a million gallons of diluted bitumen into a river, as has happened before.

While typically safer in terms of human life the risk to the environment is higher since a far larger volume of product can escape before anybody notices.

Well we better close down all of those other pipelines we already have.

( I disagree with you )

 

[K1052]

Well we better close down all of those other pipelines we already have.

( I disagree with you )

Your disagreement is noted but you can't factually argue against my point.

 

[pcgeek11]

Show us some cases where a pipeline has ruined the ecosystem more than other forms of transportation, as you state that it would. Note I'm not saying there is no danger, but it is much safer. It also is better in terms of air pollution from trucks, trains and ships.

http://chartsbin.com/view/mgz

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/the-13-largest-oil-spills-in-history

 

[K1052]

When a sea going oil tanker can transport product over land from Canada to Texas I'll be happy to address your question in depth.

The worst/most expensive inland oil spill in US history was caused by a failed pipeline.

 

[Thebobo]

1. The Keystone Pipeline is for selling canadian oil to foreign countries.
2. Only entities to truly profit are big foreign oil corporations.
3. It will not help us become energy independent.
4. We've allowed eminent domain to be used by foreign corporations to remove american citizens from their land for the KP.
5. Permanent KP jobs are less than 50.

So what's the big push to build the KP and see #2. Why are we kicking americans off their land and and how does this help make america great. It doesn't but it does help a foreign oil companies become richer.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Keystone pipeline transports US oil as well as Canadian oil and is processed at refineries in the Houston and Port Arthur.

 

[Phynaz]

facts: George Soros, who owns Union pacific, was funding the anti-pipline stuff because his trains transport the oil right now.

Huh? Union Pacific is a publicly traded company, George Soros does not own it. He isn't even listed as a top holder.
http://finance.yahoo.com/quote/UNP/holders?p=UNP

 

[herm0016]

whoops. its Warren Buffet / Berkshire Hathaway not Soros. i got them mixed up. my bad.

and he has BNSF and UP.

source: from 2015, but i doubt its changed too much.

http://www.wyattresearch.com/article/top-railroad-stocks/

 

[FerrelGeek]

Case in point...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6e_1485190629

In the grand scheme it is overall safer than any other mode of transport. Even for the aquifers. A train wreck can also be soaked into the aquifer and into a river, lake, pond ...

 

[MrDudeMan]

Doesn't make it right.

Doesn't make it wrong, either.

I sympathize with Native Americans on many issues, but they lost. The losers don't get to dictate what happens to them at the end of a war or hostile takeover. It has never and will never work any other way. Treaties only work when both sides are capable of putting up a fight.

 

[pcgeek11]

When a sea going oil tanker can transport product over land from Canada to Texas I'll be happy to address your question in depth.

The worst/most expensive inland oil spill in US history was caused by a failed pipeline.

A ship can carry oil from Canada to Texas via the Pacific Ocean. Duh.

Can you be more specific on which pipeline leak?

 

[K1052]

A ship can carry oil from Canada to Texas via the Pacific Ocean. Duh.

Can you be more specific on which pipeline leak?

That's not entirely true in this case otherwise they would have done it already. The Canadian government and local tribes have mostly prevented the shipment of diluted bitumen to the coasts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_River_oil_spill

 

[pcgeek11]

That's not entirely true in this case otherwise they would have done it already. The Canadian government and local tribes have mostly prevented the shipment of diluted bitumen to the coasts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_River_oil_spill

Yes, it is entirely true. It could be brought to Texas via the Pacific Ocean and the Gulf of Mexico.
The matter of the local tribes and the Canadian government preventing it is an entirely different subject.

That was indeed " largest inland oil spill, and one of the costliest spills in U.S. history ". But still pales in comparison to the many ( dozens ) other oil spills from ships in coastal areas.