Trump thinks everyone on welfare is black. When told otherwise, says “Really? Then what are they?”

[HomerJS]

but not like a waiter!

God Dammit McConnell bring me my order! Mama needs her French Fries!

Did you know that was Pence ordering for his wife?

 

[Moonbeam]

Good thoughtful post. And perhaps that is just inherent in the human condition. We didn't invent ourselves and are trapped in the inherent issues that are part of the human construct.

Human evolution lead to language which allows for dualistic thinking, the ability to attach emotional reactions like fear and disgust to concepts and ideas that do not actually exist. We are asleep as a result living a mechanical programmed dream. We can signify what is not there because survival is dependent on pattern recognition and we invent the categories we apprehend.

 

[Younigue]

Did you know that was Pence ordering for his wife?

Good Lordy! The country is doomed!

Fries with a side of Gay Conversion Therapy.

Pence: What are we gonna do with all them suddenly gay people? Mother, you do realize it is my civic duty to "serve" all of them newly minted gays and they only occasionally want a side of fries with that. Work work work.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

People on welfare in general but not specifically in every case are on welfare because of an internalized defeatist attitude that comes from a repetitive life of failure to actualize an attitude of self confidence leading to positive reinforcing experiences. This is the result of the fact that in a competitive system winning is built and maintained by winner privilege. The more ruthless the competition the more ruthless the winners become and the more the rage of the losers will threaten the system. Competition is a disease. Winners look for some other to feel superior to as a reward for the misery they suffer in winning and losers look for somebody to blame for their failures. This leads to a stratified or caste social system where winning becomes institutionalized by social signifiers.

As opposed to the alternative where there is absolutely no drive to create the next big innovations - including medicine, surgery, technology that enhances or simplifies our life, videogames to play etc...

What drive is there to make these if you don't get compensated? Why would one spend 12 hours a day working hard on their small business if they still can only eat the same ramen noodles that everyone else eats?

 

[1sikbITCH]

This meeting was in March 2017. Reading the news reports right after the meeting, NPR, WaPo, Times, no one mentions this. It wasn't until January of this year that suddenly "someone", who knows who, remembers this and tells the press? How 'bout that.

Doesn't make Trump any less stupid.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Yea, I would like to hear it from the horse's mouth. Otherwise it's hearsay.

According to the President as long as many fine people, good people are saying this, it's true. And I believe him.

 

[dank69]

As opposed to the alternative where there is absolutely no drive to create the next big innovations - including medicine, surgery, technology that enhances or simplifies our life, videogames to play etc...

What drive is there to make these if you don't get compensated? Why would one spend 12 hours a day working hard on their small business if they still can only eat the same ramen noodles that everyone else eats?

Most of our significant advances are being made by employees that never see a dime of the profit produced by those advances. I know this may be difficult for you to understand but there are millions of people who do what they do because they take pride in their work and just like it, for a variety of reason other than money.

 

[dank69]

At least in the United States, the role of the government is not to "serve" the people, like for example a waiter serves people at a restaurant. Or any other reasonable meaning of the word serve

This nonsense brought to you by the mind of someone "more experienced in the ways of the world" than the rest of us.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Madison would be turning in his grave to see what the concept of limited government so deeply enshrined in the constitution and the fabric of this country, has become in today’s America. With all too predictable results

No, the term “general welfare” doesn’t mean even close to what the left claims it does

 

[dank69]

Madison would be turning in his grave to see what the concept of limited government so deeply enshrined in the constitution and the fabric of this country, has become in today’s America. With all too predictable results

No, the term “general welfare” doesn’t mean even close to what the left claims it does

If the purpose of the government isn't to serve the interests of its citizens, what is its purpose?

 

[Noah Abrams]

If the purpose of the government isn't to serve the interests of its citizens, what is its purpose?

The interests of the citizens is that govt has as least possible role in public and civil life as possible. It drowns out everything else and has generally toxic results

I of course used to be a bleeding heart.

 

[dank69]

The interests of the citizens is that govt has as least possible role in public and civil life as possible. It drowns out everything else and has generally toxic results

I of course used to be a bleeding heart.

Toxic results like safe food and drinking water? Healthcare standards? Police and fire protection? Roads and vehicle safety standards? Clean air?

 

[Noah Abrams]

By toxic I meant the institutionalized moral and financial corruption. Where bureaucracies become self perpetuating and self propagating. Where there forms a corrupt contract between the population and the politicians.

 

[interchange]

As opposed to the alternative where there is absolutely no drive to create the next big innovations - including medicine, surgery, technology that enhances or simplifies our life, videogames to play etc...

What drive is there to make these if you don't get compensated? Why would one spend 12 hours a day working hard on their small business if they still can only eat the same ramen noodles that everyone else eats?

Most of our significant advances are being made by employees that never see a dime of the profit produced by those advances. I know this may be difficult for you to understand but there are millions of people who do what they do because they take pride in their work and just like it, for a variety of reason other than money.

Human beings are much more motivated by intrinsic rewards than extrinsic rewards. The monetary gains of capitalism are not the valuable commodity in and of themselves. They are a signifier of that commodity, though. And such a wealth disparity helps reinforce the subjugation of the lower class. If the lower class is made to believe that what they are lacking is money and their way to escape is through monetary gain, then they will be trapped in the rat race forever.

 

[tygeezy]

Holy batshit!

This guy is seriously out of touch with anything even resembling reality.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-welfare-black-white-780252

President Donald Trump was apparently unaware that not all—in fact, the vast majority—of welfare beneficiaries are not black as recently as last March, according to a new report.

In the spring of 2017, the newly elected president met with members of the Congressional Black Caucus. During that meeting, one of the members mentioned to Trump that welfare reform would be detrimental to her constituents— adding, “Not all of whom are black,” according to NBC News.

The president was incredulous.“Really? Then what are they?”

Statistically speaking, they were probably white.

So, because he didn't have the statistics on hands he asked what the racial makeup was. You are making this way more inflammatory than what it actually is. Unless you expect the president to be aware of all statistics at all times.

If you actually read the article he doesn't insinuate that all welfare recipients are black. Just more outrage news and a total nothingburger.

 

[tygeezy]

This meeting was in March 2017. Reading the news reports right after the meeting, NPR, WaPo, Times, no one mentions this. It wasn't until January of this year that suddenly "someone", who knows who, remembers this and tells the press? How 'bout that.

Hey, let's not let facts get in the way of the anti Trump circle jerk.There is no recording and like you said all the other outlets that would never in a million years bypass an incident to stick it to trump. Huge Nothingburger.

 

[Moonbeam]

As opposed to the alternative where there is absolutely no drive to create the next big innovations - including medicine, surgery, technology that enhances or simplifies our life, videogames to play etc...

What drive is there to make these if you don't get compensated? Why would one spend 12 hours a day working hard on their small business if they still can only eat the same ramen noodles that everyone else eats?

I have spent thousands of hours on the forum, I would wager, without one red cent of gain, trying to help people like you to discover the joy of being. Having some small glimpse into its value myself, plus my memory of the bankruptcy of your own view, there arises within me out of nowhere, a profound wish to share. Let me add also, that filled as I am to the gills, I have no need whatsoever that I can see to need you to partake. I simply offer what small plate that I can and you take what you can take. If that's nothing at all then so be it. One more thing, I think I am as I am because I am human and I do what humans who are in touch with their humanity to some degree do naturally. I'm convinced in fact, that's how we created God in our image. Am I remembering how that works, correctly?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Most of our significant advances are being made by employees that never see a dime of the profit produced by those advances. I know this may be difficult for you to understand but there are millions of people who do what they do because they take pride in their work and just like it, for a variety of reason other than money.

Show me ANYTHING that would indicate that over the years with significant advances.

The employee might not live the life of a king - and that is simply because when you work for a corporation (that gives you the tools to perform tests, do research, etc...) OF COURSE the ownership (patent) lies with the company - not the person. That doesn't mean they still don't get a decently fat salary vs. someone flipping burgers.

I think your missing the overall point as to WHY capitalism is the only means of innovating the latest technological advances.

 

[Amused]

So, because he didn't have the statistics on hands he asked what the racial makeup was. You are making this way more inflammatory than what it actually is. Unless you expect the president to be aware of all statistics at all times.

If you actually read the article he doesn't insinuate that all welfare recipients are black. Just more outrage news and a total nothingburger.

There is no other way to interpret what he said. To do so requires one to deny reality itself.

One of the members mentioned to Trump that welfare reform would be detrimental to her constituents— adding, “Not all of whom are black,” according to NBC News.

The president was incredulous.“Really? Then what are they?”

Seriously.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

One more thing, I think I am as I am because I am human and I do what humans who are in touch with their humanity to some degree do naturally. I'm convinced in fact, that's how we created God in our image. Am I remembering how that works, correctly?

I'd argue that all we see from humans are just different facets of humanity, even the pants-on-head crazy ones. If you're a believer, I guess you could just say we're 'flawed' or whatever. If not, I guess we're still flawed, just not by divine reason. Frankly, I've seen enough horrors from people to never believe that there's some intrinsic kindness in humanity. We are what we are, from lawful good to chaotic evil.

 

[tygeezy]

There is no other way to interpret what he said. To do so requires one to deny reality itself.

One of the members mentioned to Trump that welfare reform would be detrimental to her constituents— adding, “Not all of whom are black,” according to NBC News.

The president was incredulous.“Really? Then what are they?”

Seriously.

I'm not going to split hairs over what was actually meant, but let's just say it wasn't direct and it could be interpreted different ways. This isn't a first hand account, there is no recording. Nobody else reported on this that would never let something like this go.

It's a nothingburger.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

It's a nothingburger.

Interesting how popular this is with Trump in the Whitehouse now, but when Obama was in office even the slightest rumor was enough to get the right-leaning press up in flames.

 

[Amused]

I'm not going to split hairs over what was actually meant, but let's just say it wasn't direct and it could be interpreted different ways. This isn't a first hand account, there is no recording. Nobody else reported on this that would never let something like this go.

It's a nothingburger.

So basically you're saying this:

Look how cliche you are. There's even a meme made just about your kinda vapid talking point.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'd argue that all we see from humans are just different facets of humanity, even the pants-on-head crazy ones. If you're a believer, I guess you could just say we're 'flawed' or whatever. If not, I guess we're still flawed, just not by divine reason. Frankly, I've seen enough horrors from people to never believe that there's some intrinsic kindness in humanity. We are what we are, from lawful good to chaotic evil.

In order to understand the problem of the origin of evil you have to understand the last thing anybody will ever face. Because of that fact your point of view is very typical. Part of the problem is that what is wrong with the horrible people you have seen that have destroyed your faith in humanity, is a problem we all share. This will mean you will look for a answers to the human dilemma anywhere but where the answer is, within yourself. The only way I think to suggest what real human nature might look like is to find somebody who has deprogrammed and eliminated everything he or she was told to believe. You have to come to grips with unconscious bias and repressed feelings as the drivers behind motivations we don't want to recognize.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Anyone can find an outlier. The thing is, when you take into account the makeup of the US population, things change. You are more likely to raped by a non-white, just like PoC are more likely to receive government safety net programs.

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence

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