Trump thinks everyone on welfare is black. When told otherwise, says “Really? Then what are they?”

[[DHT]Osiris]

In order to understand the problem of the origin of evil you have to understand the last thing anybody will ever face. Because of that fact your point of view is very typical. Part of the problem is that what is wrong with the horrible people you have seen that have destroyed your faith in humanity, is a problem we all share. This will mean you will look for a answers to the human dilemma anywhere but where the answer is, within yourself. The only way I think to suggest what real human nature might look like is to find somebody who has deprogrammed and eliminated everything he or she was told to believe. You have to come to grips with unconscious bias and repressed feelings as the drivers behind motivations we don't want to recognize.

Believe me, if anyone's deprogrammed and eliminated everything they were told to believe, it's me. But objectively, some people are just malicious. I don't even know if evil is the right term for it, because it implies some kind of objective scale of badness, when in reality it's just a soup of horror. I'd even love to say that soup should be cleansed in fire, but I'm concerned there'd hardly be anyone left by the time the ashes went cold. How do you confront the notion that there's too often a mire of the worst traits of humanity all around, and nothing, realistically, can be done about it. By virtue of existing in society you have to just 'deal' with the worst, and it feels constant.

 

[tygeezy]

So basically you're saying this:

Look how cliche you are. There's even a meme made just about your kinda vapid talking point.

Cute, but you're straw manning me because the real argument is this was old news that a bunch of news outlets that have a bone to pick with Trump elected not to report this. There is no recording, and we are just suppose to take some un named source's report as gospel. There is nothing here, but let's make a giant deal about it!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Cute, but you're straw manning me because the real argument is this was old news that a bunch of news outlets that have a bone to pick with Trump elected not to report this. There is no recording, and we are just suppose to take some un named source's report as gospel. There is nothing here, but let's make a giant deal about it!

It's nothing because you claim it's nothing? How is that any different than trusting a news source?

Hell, why should I trust you over the news source? At least they don't say 'nothingburger' in every goddamn post.

 

[Amused]

Anyone can find an outlier. The thing is, when you take into account the makeup of the US population, things change. You are more likely to raped by a non-white, just like PoC are more likely to receive government safety net programs.

Look how stupid (and thus racist) you are:

 

[tygeezy]

Look how stupid (and thus racist) you are:

Yeah man, that will convince people to change their mind. Tell them how stupid and racist they are.

 

[Amused]

Yeah man, that will convince people to change their mind. Tell them how stupid and racist they are.

I'd be sorry the truth hurts you, but... nope.

So let's break this down, shall we? You guys (and Trump) assumed the worst about people of color. All of it wrong and contrary to established fact.

Now the question is, why would you assume something that is factually wrong and 180 degrees from established fact?

It could be either a mixture of, or all of either stupidity, or racism. Given the fact that racism is linked to lower IQs and low self esteem, it is safe to assume that a racist is also, more than likely, stupid.

So, there you have it. You're a stupid fucking racist.

 

[tygeezy]

I'd be sorry the truth hurts you, but... nope.

So let's break this down, shall we? You guys (and Trump) assumed the worst about people of color. All of it wrong and contrary to established fact.

Now the question is, why would you assume something that is factually wrong and 180 degrees from established fact?

It could be either a mixture of, or all of either stupidity, or racism. Given the fact that racism is linked to lower IQs and low self esteem, it is safe to assume that a racist is also, more than likely, stupid.

So, there you have it. You're a stupid fucking racist.

And you must be an amazingly awesome person if you insult people in real life like you do on a message board. Nobody has assumed the worst about color. I judge people individually, not by what group they identify as. It's the democrats that see people by their racial, gender, ect identity, but it is conservatives, Libertarians and classical liberals that see people as individuals. Which one sounds more racist to you?

Which is the party that doesn't assume because that if you're a black or Latino you are discriminated against because you can't provide free id's that are required for basic living to vote? And if conservatives are so racist, why were they so happy that Kanye West dared to speak out against expectations as a black man that he he should be a democrat? Now the liberal media is smearing him and white liberals are calling him an uncle tom. So I ask again, who sounds more racist to you? You can't have it both ways. The conservatives can't both be racist against black people, but also be excited about Kanye West showing his support.

Notice i'm not calling you a stupid racist just because you're a democrat. I actually have respect for people that don't hold the same beliefs as I do.

 

[HomerJS]

Cute, but you're straw manning me because the real argument is this was old news that a bunch of news outlets that have a bone to pick with Trump elected not to report this. There is no recording, and we are just suppose to take some un named source's report as gospel. There is nothing here, but let's make a giant deal about it!

Oh come on. Based on what we all know about Trump its way more likely the not. This is the same guy who.....

African shithole countries
all Haitians have aids
Frederick Douglass is still alive

and like the shithole story, if it had come out shortly after, you would have been more likely to believe??

 

[HomerJS]

And you must be an amazingly awesome person if you insult people in real life like you do on a message board. Nobody has assumed the worst about color. I judge people individually, not by what group they identify as. It's the democrats that see people by their racial, gender, ect identity, but it is conservatives, Libertarians and classical liberals that see people as individuals. Which one sounds more racist to you?

Which is the party that doesn't assume because that if you're a black or Latino you are discriminated against because you can't provide free id's that are required for basic living to vote? And if conservatives are so racist, why were they so happy that Kanye West dared to speak out against expectations as a black man that he he should be a democrat? Now the liberal media is smearing him and white liberals are calling him an uncle tom. So I ask again, who sounds more racist to you? You can't have it both ways. The conservatives can't both be racist against black people, but also be excited about Kanye West showing his support.

Notice i'm not calling you a stupid racist just because you're a democrat. I actually have respect for people that don't hold the same beliefs as I do.

This woman was clearly discriminated against because she was black.
https://www.thenation.com/article/a...s-disenfranchised-by-wisconsins-voter-id-law/

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I judge people individually, not by what group they identify as. It's the democrats that see people by their racial, gender, ect identity,

You literally just judged and generalized people by what group they identify as. You just did that.

 

[tygeezy]

You literally just judged and generalized people by what group they identify as. You just did that.

I will clarify it a bit. I don't believe all people that lean left feel this way, but I do feel the mainstream democratic party does this and is supported by the media. The democratic party has gone far too left for me as i'm more of a centrist, or slightly right of center (libertarian). There are liberals that i'm quite fond of such as Sam Harris and Steven Pinker. They certainly don't subscribe to identity politics though, so I will agree it's not fair to say every person that votes democrat is painted with this broad brush. I feel it's mainstream because our last president, and the last democratic president canidate did practice identity politics and they were both championed by the media. To me that is mainstream. Not to mention the assault Kanye is taking, and the fact that he is receiving threats of violence because he refuses to subscribe to group think.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I will clarify it a bit. I don't believe all people that lean left feel this way, but I do feel the mainstream democratic party does this and is supported by the media. The democratic party has gone far too left for me as i'm more of a centrist, or slightly right of center (libertarian). There are liberals that i'm quite fond of such as Sam Harris and Steven Pinker. They certainly don't subscribe to identity politics though, so I will agree it's not fair to say every person that votes democrat is painted with this broad brush. I feel it's mainstream because our last president, and the last democratic president did practice identity politics and they were both championed by the media. To me that is mainstream. Not to mention the assault Kanye is taking, and the fact that he is receiving threats of violence because he refuses to subscribe to group think.

Thank you for the clarification. I considered media at large, and MSM at small, to be an entirely different lumbering monstrosity than the average joe, and not to #bothsides or anything, but most politicians are weasels at minimum, and supervillains at worst.

As long as there's different groups within the country who identify themselves separately as others, the govt likely has a vested interest in ensuring those groups aren't isolated, left out, left behind, yadayada. It's best not to broadcast that though as it gives MSM a lot to work with/clickbait.

 

[deathBOB]

I will clarify it a bit. I don't believe all people that lean left feel this way, but I do feel the mainstream democratic party does this and is supported by the media. The democratic party has gone far too left for me as i'm more of a centrist, or slightly right of center (libertarian). There are liberals that i'm quite fond of such as Sam Harris and Steven Pinker. They certainly don't subscribe to identity politics though, so I will agree it's not fair to say every person that votes democrat is painted with this broad brush. I feel it's mainstream because our last president, and the last democratic president did practice identity politics and they were both championed by the media. To me that is mainstream. Not to mention the assault Kanye is taking, and the fact that he is receiving threats of violence because he refuses to subscribe to group think.

Lol at not being a racist asshole or calling out stupid and factually incorrect rascist shit being “identity politics”

 

[tygeezy]

Lol at not being a racist asshole or calling out stupid and factually incorrect rascist shit being “identity politics”

 

[Younigue]

Madison would be turning in his grave to see what the concept of limited government so deeply enshrined in the constitution and the fabric of this country, has become in today’s America. With all too predictable results

No, the term “general welfare” doesn’t mean even close to what the left claims it does

Noah, in your own words please explain? I'll help by asking a question... Is the purpose of the government to sell itself to the highest bidders and hurt the people in every conceivable way then announce 'YOU BEEN SERVED BITCHES!'?

 

[Younigue]

The interests of the citizens is that govt has as least possible role in public and civil life as possible. It drowns out everything else and has generally toxic results

I of course used to be a bleeding heart.

But now you're a cold heart? Worthy change.

 

[Younigue]

So, because he didn't have the statistics on hands he asked what the racial makeup was. You are making this way more inflammatory than what it actually is. Unless you expect the president to be aware of all statistics at all times.

If you actually read the article he doesn't insinuate that all welfare recipients are black. Just more outrage news and a total nothingburger.

Simply put... It's not unfeasible to expect Trump to know the stats on a subject matter before opening his heinous, ignorant mouth. You can see the logic in that yes?

 

[Noah Abrams]

Noah, in your own words please explain? I'll help by asking a question... Is the purpose of the government to sell itself to the highest bidders and hurt the people in every conceivable way then announce 'YOU BEEN SERVED BITCHES!'?

Good question. The answer my friend is that governments ALWAYS sell to the highest bidder. That is human nature and governments are not divine but human. The same was true for the communist govt as well. I highly suggest reading Animal Farm. It’s a short easy read. Good writing is always simple.

So the answer, to the extent there can be any answer to human society, is to have less authority, less government.

The people on the left don’t realize the bigger the government, the more beneficial is the situation to the powerful. It is the ordinary person who suffers

 

[Younigue]

Hey, let's not let facts get in the way of the anti Trump circle jerk.There is no recording and like you said all the other outlets that would never in a million years bypass an incident to stick it to trump. Huge Nothingburger.

I see you stumble when you try to discuss the benefits of facts.

 

[tygeezy]

Simply put... It's not unfeasible to expect Trump to know the stats on a subject matter before opening his heinous, ignorant mouth. You can see the logic in that yes?

We can't even confirm that he said something that is far from conclusive of him meaning something deplorable. This is a non story until we can confirm he even said something, much less split hairs over what he 100 % meant.

 

[tygeezy]

I see you stumble when you try to discuss the benefits of facts.

This is pure ad-hominem and adds nothing to the discussion. Moving on....

 

[Younigue]

Yeah man, that will convince people to change their mind. Tell them how stupid and racist they are.

You know the best way to not be called a racist? Don't be one.

 

[Younigue]

And you must be an amazingly awesome person if you insult people in real life like you do on a message board. Nobody has assumed the worst about color. I judge people individually, not by what group they identify as. It's the democrats that see people by their racial, gender, ect identity, but it is conservatives, Libertarians and classical liberals that see people as individuals. Which one sounds more racist to you?

Which is the party that doesn't assume because that if you're a black or Latino you are discriminated against because you can't provide free id's that are required for basic living to vote? And if conservatives are so racist, why were they so happy that Kanye West dared to speak out against expectations as a black man that he he should be a democrat? Now the liberal media is smearing him and white liberals are calling him an uncle tom. So I ask again, who sounds more racist to you? You can't have it both ways. The conservatives can't both be racist against black people, but also be excited about Kanye West showing his support.

Notice i'm not calling you a stupid racist just because you're a democrat. I actually have respect for people that don't hold the same beliefs as I do.

You know the best way not to be called an out-of-touch, delusional, racist? Don't be one. You coo-coo son.

 

[tygeezy]

You know the best way to not be called a racist? Don't be one.

Being called a racist now is essentially meaningless because of how overused it is with such little justification.

 

[tygeezy]

You know the best way not to be called an out-of-touch, delusional, racist? Don't be one. You coo-coo son.

Was it absolutely necessary to say the same thing twice with two different quotes. Again ,pure ad-hominem. You're adding nothing to the conversation by attacking me.

Moving on....