Trump thinks everyone on welfare is black. When told otherwise, says “Really? Then what are they?”

[Thunder 57]

Yea, I would like to hear it from the horse's mouth. Otherwise it's hearsay.

 

[m8d]

 

[zinfamous]

How does he propose to pay for police and fire protection, and not to mention roads?

You see, it's like this: Incorruptible is a fucking moron.

 

[Thunder 57]

Anyone can find an outlier. The thing is, when you take into account the makeup of the US population, things change. You are more likely to raped by a non-white, just like PoC are more likely to receive government safety net programs.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Facts?

Medicaid had more than 70 million beneficiaries in 2016, of whom 43 percent were white, 18 percent black

Of 43 million food stamp recipients that year, 36.2 percent were white, 25.6 percent black

Facts.

Yes... Ummm, thank you for proving my point? By definition if whites were to be utilizing these at an overall effective rate - they would be utilizing it at ~75%.

Wheras blacks make up approx. 14% of the nation, and... well... I'll just use your numbers to prove my point there.

But again - don't let facts get in the way - make sure to utilize your ignorance when addressing my point

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

How does he propose to pay for police and fire protection, and not to mention roads?

I mean really? You don't see a CLEAR conflict of interest here? You have one side essentially stating "If you vote for me, I will increase your welfare and defend it". That doesn't sound like a conflict of interest to you?

 

[mikeymikec]

I mean really? You don't see a CLEAR conflict of interest here? You have one side essentially stating "If you vote for me, I will increase your welfare and defend it". That doesn't sound like a conflict of interest to you?

Two things I find interesting about your post:

First, turn it on its flipside and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have a problem with it:
"I mean really? You don't see a CLEAR conflict of interest here? You have one side essentially saying "If you vote for me, I will decrease your taxes and defend it". That doesn't sound like a conflict of interest to you?"

Secondly, I find it interesting that you clearly think in terms of what constitutes an immediate benefit to you, that it apparently didn't occur to you that some people are proponents of the welfare system for the sake of the less fortunate rather than themselves.

 

[Younigue]

Holy shit! Why the fu*k is it important to separate by race who is on welfare? PEOPLE a.k.a. human beings are on welfare. Trump is a fu*king moron. That about covers it. Those are the facts.

It's a deeply shitty thing that statistics even distinguish race in this or anything. The system should be color blind god dammit.

Shitty people come in all shapes, colors and sizes. So do good people. Not all people requiring assistance are shitty people. And NONE of this is difficult to understand. The system has problems of course, fix the system. Don't hate the recipients based on unrelated stupid shit. If someone is abusing the system? That person is shitty. If someone is using the system for its intended purpose, that's a good thing and nothing anyone should begrudge a fellow human being.

These are not difficult concepts to wrap a fricken brain around. If race matters to you in a conversation such as this then you are one of those shitty people I was talking about.

 

[dawp]

They now have work requirements for adults on welfare, and been in place for a while.

does not mean these idiots are aware of that fact.

 

[WelshBloke]

How does he propose to pay for police and fire protection, and not to mention roads?

Never mind the massive increase in policing costs when the starving hordes start rioting.

 

[Sunburn74]

Considering whites make up ~75% of the nation, one could only hope so? Not surprising? But based on overall percentage of recipients on welfare, it would most assursbly be black.

Don't let facts get in the way though.

This is no way accurate. You are grossly misinformed.

 

[HomerJS]

Did the word "shithole" come out of Trump's mouth during the conversation?

 

[dank69]

I mean really? You don't see a CLEAR conflict of interest here? You have one side essentially stating "If you vote for me, I will increase your welfare and defend it". That doesn't sound like a conflict of interest to you?

Libertopian logic: when government, which is supposed to serve the people, promises to serve the people, we'll call that pandering for votes.

 

[HomerJS]

This meeting was in March 2017. Reading the news reports right after the meeting, NPR, WaPo, Times, no one mentions this. It wasn't until January of this year that suddenly "someone", who knows who, remembers this and tells the press? How 'bout that.

It doesn't matter if it came out that day or Jan you wouldn't believe it. Remember the shithole story came out just after meeting and Trumpbots were in full denial mode.

 

[fskimospy]

I mean really? You don't see a CLEAR conflict of interest here? You have one side essentially stating "If you vote for me, I will increase your welfare and defend it". That doesn't sound like a conflict of interest to you?

So in other words you are angry at political parties attempting to attract voters by pledging to improve their quality of life.

Wut.

 

[fskimospy]

Holy shit! Why the fu*k is it important to separate by race who is on welfare? PEOPLE a.k.a. human beings are on welfare. Trump is a fu*king moron. That about covers it. Those are the facts.

It's a deeply shitty thing that statistics even distinguish race in this or anything. The system should be color blind god dammit.

Shitty people come in all shapes, colors and sizes. So do good people. Not all people requiring assistance are shitty people. And NONE of this is difficult to understand. The system has problems of course, fix the system. Don't hate the recipients based on unrelated stupid shit. If someone is abusing the system? That person is shitty. If someone is using the system for its intended purpose, that's a good thing and nothing anyone should begrudge a fellow human being.

These are not difficult concepts to wrap a fricken brain around. If race matters to you in a conversation such as this then you are one of those shitty people I was talking about.

It matters to a lot of people, unfortunately. An ethnically heterogeneous population is one of the primary predictors of the dominant ethnic group opposing social welfare spending. The same thing shows all the time in America, particularly among conservatives.

Trump is the most openly racist president we have had since...Jesus, I don’t even know. Maybe Woodrow Wilson? Other presidents may have been racist but they weren’t so public about it. It’s not surprising to me at all that he views welfare in that way.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Libertopian logic: when government, which is supposed to serve the people, promises to serve the people, we'll call that pandering for votes.

At least in the United States, the role of the government is not to "serve" the people, like for example a waiter serves people at a restaurant. Or any other reasonable meaning of the word serve

 

[Younigue]

It matters to a lot of people, unfortunately. An ethnically heterogeneous population is one of the primary predictors of the dominant ethnic group opposing social welfare spending. The same thing shows all the time in America, particularly among conservatives.

Trump is the most openly racist president we have had since...Jesus, I don’t even know. Maybe Woodrow Wilson? Other presidents may have been racist but they weren’t so public about it. It’s not surprising to me at all that he views welfare in that way.

Doesn't change the fact that all it makes them is spectacularly stupid. Like, truly deeply, profoundly stupid.

 

[Younigue]

At least in the United States, the role of the government is not to "serve" the people, like for example a waiter serves people at a restaurant. Or any other reasonable meaning of the word serve

Wait just a tick... I think we've stumbled on to a bit of a genius doing it's thing [out in nature] to the best of its ability... Do please explain how the government is meant to "serve" the people. I meeeeean certainly not as a waiter might. The majority of which (who work for tips) have to just go ahead and serve everyone but... not the government though, right? I await your response with bated breath.

If it's any consolation I hope I'm wrong that you posted this and thought it was brilliant.

 

[WelshBloke]

At least in the United States, the role of the government is not to "serve" the people, like for example a waiter serves people at a restaurant. Or any other reasonable meaning of the word serve

You've never heard the term civil servant?

 

[fskimospy]

At least in the United States, the role of the government is not to "serve" the people, like for example a waiter serves people at a restaurant. Or any other reasonable meaning of the word serve

The purpose of the government in the United States is most certainly to serve the people.

 

[Moonbeam]

People on welfare in general but not specifically in every case are on welfare because of an internalized defeatist attitude that comes from a repetitive life of failure to actualize an attitude of self confidence leading to positive reinforcing experiences. This is the result of the fact that in a competitive system winning is built and maintained by winner privilege. The more ruthless the competition the more ruthless the winners become and the more the rage of the losers will threaten the system. Competition is a disease. Winners look for some other to feel superior to as a reward for the misery they suffer in winning and losers look for somebody to blame for their failures. This leads to a stratified or caste social system where winning becomes institutionalized by social signifiers.

 

[Younigue]

The purpose of the government in the United States is most certainly to serve the people.

but not like a waiter!

God Dammit McConnell bring me my order! Mama needs her French Fries!

 

[Noah Abrams]

but not like a waiter!

God Dammit McConnell bring me my order! Mama needs her French Fries!

Hahaha...that was funny...made me laugh

(Yes I know your meaning behind it and that you disagree with my assertion).

But that was good!

 

[Noah Abrams]

People on welfare in general but not specifically in every case are on welfare because of an internalized defeatist attitude that comes from a repetitive life of failure to actualize an attitude of self confidence leading to positive reinforcing experiences. This is the result of the fact that in a competitive system winning is built and maintained by winner privilege. The more ruthless the competition the more ruthless the winners become and the more the rage of the losers will threaten the system. Competition is a disease. Winners look for some other to feel superior to as a reward for the misery they suffer in winning and losers look for somebody to blame for their failures. This leads to a stratified or caste social system where winning becomes institutionalized by social signifiers.

Good thoughtful post. And perhaps that is just inherent in the human condition. We didn't invent ourselves and are trapped in the inherent issues that are part of the human construct.