Trump: terminate the US Constitution election rules and reinstate me to office

[cytg111]

So for our conservative veterans who swore to uphold the Constitution how will they rationalize betraying their oath?

Foreign and domestic?

 

[ivwshane]

So for our conservative veterans who swore to uphold the Constitution how will they rationalize betraying their oath?

Same way they rationalized an insurrection.

 

[Indus]

I'm honestly all for a national divorce into America and Trumpistan. Lets see where those border lines fall though.

 

[Greenman]

Can't say I have a lot of respect for your Constitution. Not least because it's produced Trump, and assisted him in becoming President. The fact that it led to his Presidency seems to be a sign that there's something wrong with it.

It produced the most successful nation on the planet, can't be all bad.

 

[BoomerD]

Foreign and domestic?

And they consider "those filthy libruls" to be enemies of the nation.

 

[Indus]

It produced the most successful nation on the planet, can't be all bad.

Not successful enough for Trump, Trumpanzees and MAGAtards apparently!

 

[Vic]

So for our conservative veterans who swore to uphold the Constitution how will they rationalize betraying their oath?

Anyone who votes Dem is a traitor to the Constitution so they're actually upholding their oaths.

 

[Moonbeam]

Anyone who votes Dem is a traitor to the Constitution so they're actually upholding their oaths.

Exactly. They have no idea they have no idea what morality is because they already assume it oozes from their pores. There can only be black and white certainty or they could be shocked out of their altered reality and feel all the guilt they were made to feel as children.

Bad boys, bad boys, watcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do, when they come for you.

Imagine I'm the cop of course, of course.

 

[zinfamous]

I’m confident they know what it says, I think they don’t care.

Nah. Conservatives have been shoving their dicks into the constitution as a matter of daily need for so long now, without ever any interest into every learning it's favorite color, or hell, even its first name.

I am certain that none of them have ever actually read it.

 

[zinfamous]

They're not anti American, they're just stupid and gullible. They buy into every insane idea presented by every lunatic with a youtube channel. The one cohesive trait they all share is absolute certainty that every major news origination is part of the vast conspiracy to destroy the US. It's more than a little sad.

Do you remember the part where they already violently attacked the United States, murder the VP, and install this very same guy that they absolutely agree with right here?

You know these people are real, right? There are literally 30-50 million of them in this country right now and you share roughly 98% of their core ideology and beliefs.

All of that is true, and I'm not judging you here with these posts....just pointing out an important reality of today's world is all.

 

[zinfamous]

I've said before that the right's version of patriotism is about flags and symbols, which to them is really about tribalism (nationalism). Not about anything of substance. Certainly not democracy. "Freedom" is just a nice sounding word to them. Anyway, the Constitution is just another symbol to them, like the flag. What's actually in it is pretty much irrelevant. Which is why they never actually read it. Including the ones who carry it around in their pockets, for show.

the consitution was literally forgotten for the first 100+ years of the country's existence. It actually wasn't known where it was...until discovered in some storage closet, essentially, in rather bad shape.

There isn't much history of this document as being "Sacred!" ...it was this discovery that really prompted the enshrining of it, Archives, and the idea of putting it in a museum, much less public view. It literally hadn't been seen by anyone for decades.

No one cared.

And it's not that it isn't nice and important to preserve and make these documents public, and to admire them--it is a really positive and good thing to do this--but the overall paradigm thought in American consciousness that went from where...no American really cared about the paper because it really didn't matter--we all knew what it meant and what the US was about--to where we now replace the substance of our ideas with the fetishizing of their physical symbols as the sum total of our "pride" and self-identification is what is highly problematic with any kind of advanced, massively developed culture. The same thing happened with gun fetishizing where, for more than 200 years, guns were always and necessarily highly regulated and the #1 training and strict pro-regulation advocacy group, this thing called the NRA, were hijacked and pivoted to yet another fetishizing conglomerate that needed to stroke ignorant fears that were already being swayed by meaningless symbols with a heavy dose of absolutely failed civic education, and just marched into yet another complete rejection of unmistakable American history--these nonsense rabid 2nd-Amendment Bottoms that just can't wake up without massaging their guns, only in the fricking 70s, are just another part of the capturing to slow-thinking, uncritical American laziness.

Perpetually terrified and ignorant--it's no way to go through life, it's fucking dangerous for humanity when they gain a significant demographic size, and it's the only state of being that one can be in right now, and even consider voting Republican. It's fucking insane, but that is where we are right now. These people are fucking dangerous, and their grooming over the last 5 decades to get them here was intentional. It was fucking expensive, but their army is here now. They aren't in this to stop at a few corn-filled states.

 

[sportage]

I wonder what would happen if Donald Trump got his way, and became our dictator by doing away with the constitution, I wonder if dictator Trump would ever mention people like George Washington, or Abe Lincoln, or FDR?
Those great presidents that were the US constitution.
Or, would Trump wipe that history from the history books, given there still would be books under dictator Trump. Books can be dangerous, books make people think and dictators certainly can not have THAT.

 

[woolfe9998]

the consitution was literally forgotten for the first 100+ years of the country's existence. It actually wasn't known where it was...until discovered in some storage closet, essentially, in rather bad shape.

There isn't much history of this document as being "Sacred!" ...it was this discovery that really prompted the enshrining of it, Archives, and the idea of putting it in a museum, much less public view. It literally hadn't been seen by anyone for decades.

Yeah, maybe the original copy was lost for awhile, but I'm not sure of the significance of that fact. The Constitution was cited in SCOTUS cases all throughout the 19th century, including the infamous Dred Scott case in 1857. The 12A was passed in 1803, while the 13A was passed in 1865, the longest gap between amendments in its history. So the original may have been misplaced, but it's been our governing document since it passed. It's not like it wasn't recognized or applied by courts. It was.

I see your point, that it wasn't treated with the "sacredness" that many modern conseratives seem to think it was, It took only 12 years after adding the Bill of Rights for Congress to pass a law criminalizing the act of criticizing the POTUS or Congress (Alien and Sedition Act). The 4a, 5a and 6a were there but provided no protection whatsoever for criminal defendants,. Most of that didn't come about until the Warren court in the 60's.

Conservatives seem to think that something once sacred is now being eroded by the left, but the truth is that for the most part, while the structural provisions were generally respected, the Bill of Rights had virtually no teeth for the first 150 years after it was passed.

Yet it is certainly true that it has been fetishized, even more so on the right than the left. Fetishized, then shat upon by Hair Furor, to the approval of most republicans, I'm sure. Nothing of substance has any meaning to them. The only thing that matters is who they like and who they hate.

 

[woolfe9998]

Just noticed another lurid detail about Trump's post. He put sneer quotes around the word founders. So much for another sacred cow of the right.

He probably resents them because they are more revered than he is. He doesn't get it though. The lint in my pocket is more revered than he is. Or that hair that gets stuck in the shower drain. Even most of his voters know the man is pond scum. Indeed, they vote for him because he's pond scum, not in spite of this fact.

 

[Charmonium]

Chillax folks.

You'll probably think I'm nuts (not an unpopular opinion), but this is a good sign. Why? Because it means T**** is feeling the heat generated by an indeterminate number of criminal investigations. Hell, we could run the whole country on that sort of btu output. But fine. It's more important that we clip this dodo's wings. Fine, emu. Better?

edit: If however you feel motivated to change things, set your sights higher and let's get rid of the electoral college - preferably BEFORE it once again becomes irrelevant (for whatever reason - that's the part that doesn't work since Trump is precisely the type of person it was meant to protect us from. That's really not even arguable at this point).

 

[Puffnstuff]

How the religious right confuses Trump with godly behavior is light years beyond me. They'll just give him another mulligan and continue with their unwavering support for his antics. Somehow I could see the evangelical congregations holding pitchforks and tiki torches in support of their orange mad man.

 

[tweaker2]

Trump gave the racist scum of the nation a symbol to rally behind, something they were lacking until he showed up and let on how he was a racist himself. He gave the self-described "militias" of the nation a seat at the table by labeling himself as an enemy of the establishment. He gave the base of the Repub party a hero they too could also rally around with hollowed out catchy phrases like "draining the swamp", "building a wall", "lock her up", "punch those demonstrators" that were invading HIS sermons and other familiar rants like "the media is the enemy of the people and can't be trusted" (because they were relentlessly ratting him out all day long and into the night). He took the anti-abortion stance not because it was his belief (far from it), rather it was simply a way to get more votes and the right wing Christian extremists anointed him as a mouthpiece of their God..

And through all of that time the one thing that Trump was focused on was just how much cash he could soak the gov't for before his two terms were up. He was built that way before he conned his way into office, he operated that way while in office and now he is up to his ears in legal shit because of it with no sign that he's going to let up on his evil ways. It's all he knows how to make a living: scamming and conning and cheating and lying his way into making a buck while running away from the authorities by dumping obstacles in their path and delaying his being held to account. He was metaphorically writing checks he refused to make good on while relying on his bevy of lawyers and the laggard system of justice to keep his jailers at bay.

Well, it does look like his days of playing dodgeball with the law are coming to an end despite the fact that his supporters are still wishing "the establishment" would quit badgering him with "fake news and false charges fer cry'in out loud".

Crazy is as crazy does and it doesn't bother them at all that they have a need to be that way.

 

[pete6032]

This did not even make the news in the conservative news outlets as far as I can tell.

Republicans and conservatives just do not care about the constitution from what I can tell.

I think it's also an indication that Trump is losing his power within the party.

 

[Commodus]

I think it's also an indication that Trump is losing his power within the party.

I'm sure many right-wing outlets are desperately hoping Trump has lost his clout. Can you imagine if he wins the primary? The Dems would have a field day with just this quote, let alone the January 6th attack. "Trump wants to violate the Constitution to force himself back into office." Now, Trumpists and hardcore conservatives might see this as a positive (a few of our forum members genuinely want a GOP dictatorship), but it'd absolutely torch his chances for the 'moderate' vote.

 

[pete6032]

I'm sure many right-wing outlets are desperately hoping Trump has lost his clout. Can you imagine if he wins the primary? The Dems would have a field day with just this quote, let alone the January 6th attack. "Trump wants to violate the Constitution to force himself back into office." Now, Trumpists and hardcore conservatives might see this as a positive (a few of our forum members genuinely want a GOP dictatorship), but it'd absolutely torch his chances for the 'moderate' vote.

I think he has lost his clout with all but the most fat right wing followers. Seems like the last straw was Trump announcing his candidacy for 2024. From what I understand, a lot of Trump followers equated Trumps announcement with Trump admitting that he lost in 2020.

 

[Commodus]

I think he has lost his clout with all but the most fat right wing followers. Seems like the last straw was Trump announcing his candidacy for 2024. From what I understand, a lot of Trump followers equated Trumps announcement with Trump admitting that he lost in 2020.

Let's hope so, at least.

I'm not sure how many were truly upset by Trump announcing his candidacy. Even in the Trumpist camp, there's a middle ground of people who think he was 'robbed' of victory in 2020 but accept that he's never going to be reinstated. They're just convinced he's going to come roaring back in 2024 despite all evidence to the contrary.

 

[fskimospy]

Let's hope so, at least.

I'm not sure how many were truly upset by Trump announcing his candidacy. Even in the Trumpist camp, there's a middle ground of people who think he was 'robbed' of victory in 2020 but accept that he's never going to be reinstated. They're just convinced he's going to come roaring back in 2024 despite all evidence to the contrary.

I don't think people were upset by his announcement either. I think the obvious reason for his declining support is people don't like losing. Trump's problem is that he's good at winning GOP primaries and terrible at winning general elections.

 

[HomerJS]

Yet one more thing/position conservatives claim to cherish, they are proven to be liars

I only know 2 positions they cling to. Tax cuts for the rich and conservative judges

 

[Pens1566]

Yet one more thing/position conservatives claim to cherish, they are proven to be liars

I only know 2 positions they cling to. Tax cuts for the rich and conservative judges

Guns to shoot brown people.

 

[sportage]

Every day I check CNN web in hopes of finding the breaking news headlines DONALD TRUMP DEAD. And expecting that cause of death to be from choking on a KFC chicken leg, or hit in the head by a golf ball, or overwhelming stress from his tax returns in the hands of investigators, or an engine falling off his airplane while in flight, or being poisoned by Melania after Melania finds evidence that hubby Donald is still screwing Stormy Daniels AND still paying her off.

Yeah... been hoping to see those breaking news headlines for over six years now. Haven't we all? But with knowing how it goes when it comes to Donald Trump, those headlines will probably read DONALD TRUMP REVIVED AFTER CHOKING ON A KFC CHICKEN LEG. And the main headline appearing right about that would read JOE BIDEN DEAD FROM STROKE.
Because.... that's how it usually goes for democrats.
Nixon wasn't assassinated, but JFK was. And so was his brother too.
Damn the luck.
But never give up the hope. I'll keep checking CNN every day. Won't we all....