Trump Strategist Steve Bannon Says Media Should ‘Keep Its Mouth Shut’

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I know thinking and logic are not your strong suits, but try to follow along: the thread title is "Trump strategist Steve Bannon says media should 'keep its mouth shut'. People in the thread are outraged that the media is somehow being silenced or that freedom of the press is attacked when clearly neither one of those happened. I merely pointed out that Bannon calling the press what they are and telling them they should shut up and listen once in a while is perfectly fine.
to you it is, TO YOU.
For the rest of us, it's not. They do listen, and then they ask questions about what they've just heard. That's their job. We have fox news on here on one of the tv's in the breakroom and it's a drumpf-fest for them. And it's pretty fucking hilarious to hear them complaining about how mean the press is to drumpf when less than 1 month ago they were condemning Obama, over and over and over and over and over again.
And then you have drumpf referencing fox news as a source during his abc interview. WTF.... fox is nothing more than a pure gop propaganda outlet, they are not fair, they are not balanced, they are there to push an agenda, and I believe that cnn is also there to push their agenda, but to call cnn fake news and then cite fox news as a source of reliable news is beyond laughable.
 

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I know thinking and logic are not your strong suits, but try to follow along: the thread title is "Trump strategist Steve Bannon says media should 'keep its mouth shut'. People in the thread are outraged that the media is somehow being silenced or that freedom of the press is attacked when clearly neither one of those happened. I merely pointed out that Bannon calling the press what they are and telling them they should shut up and listen once in a while is perfectly fine.
Because in Bannon and Trumps mind Fox News is the only good media that's why they promote them. Sounds like good logic to me.

Just a side note, I don't give much credibility to a white nationalist supporter.
 

PokerGuy

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And then you have drumpf referencing fox news as a source during his abc interview. WTF.... fox is nothing more than a pure gop propaganda outlet, they are not fair, they are not balanced, they are there to push an agenda

.... just like CNN, ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, NYT etc etc are all democrat propaganda outlets. I agree.

and I believe that cnn is also there to push their agenda, but to call cnn fake news and then cite fox news as a source of reliable news is beyond laughable.

I don't give fox a lot more credibility than I do most of the main stream media, but CNN has taken their credibility into the dumpster and lit it on fire during this election cycle. They are no better than infowars at this point.
 

TeeJay1952

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Loosening Libel Laws is a pretty good deal if you already have a team of Lawyers on retainer and as a billionaire unlimited resources to chase irritants.
However it may stifle Free Speech and other pesky Constitutional guidelines.
 

Thebobo

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Was a stupid but typical thing to say, press will be all over his ass now.

Bannon is the new Cheney
 

PokerGuy

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Loosening Libel Laws is a pretty good deal if you already have a team of Lawyers on retainer and as a billionaire unlimited resources to chase irritants.
However it may stifle Free Speech and other pesky Constitutional guidelines.

It's a very bad idea for everyone. Those with resources already have a ton of advantages in this society, the last thing you need is to give them another way to silence opposing voices or intimidate people who might say something about them they don't like. Trump talking about changing the libel laws to make it easier to sue was and is stupid. It's just another indication of how thin-skinned he is.
 

Thebobo

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.... j...
......but CNN has taken their credibility into the dumpster and lit it on fire during this election cycle. They are no better than infowars at this point.

Well its just your opinion unless you provide some viable proof to back up your claims, do you?
 

bshole

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Well its just your opinion unless you provide some viable proof to back up your claims, do you?

I am actually quite interested to see what he has to say about it myself.

I think this post by a person who used to work for CNN is interesting. I would agree with him that CNN is nowhere near as good or objective as they once were..... the FOX effect is polluting all of our news sources.

The best line was: "Stop telling me what you think, and start telling me what you KNOW!"

I'm a former CNN correspondent, and I could answer this question in much greater detail than you'd ever want to read, but I'll give you the short answer.

No, not always. Further they may ignore important items which must form part of your daily feed. Lack of emphasis on ignored item results in biased perception of daily viewer.

CNN under Ted Turner (no journalist he, but he understood what he wanted CNN to be and what it needed to be) was a place where, when you first walked in the door, you were told "there are no stars here, only news." And the staff believed that. For me, after wandering in the wilderness of local TV news for years, it was a great feeling to join a group of folks who (by and large) only really wanted to do the f**ing news.

I covered AOL as part of my beat (technology), and when the "merger" news hit, I knew it was going to be bad news for CNN. AOL, which was acquiring CNN, was all about acquiring customers, refusing to let them leave, and shaking every coin from their pockets. CNN, on the other hand, had a service culture; we really thought we were doing good in the world, even if at times we felt like we were just a bunch of firefighters hanging around the firehouse, bored, waiting for the alarm to ring so we'd have something important to do. It was going to be a big--a catastrophic--clash of workplace cultures. And it was. Managers started to try to please their new AOL overlords instead of focusing on the basic blocking-and-tackling of newsgathering. CNN started listing. (Wags would insist it was to the left, but that's another discussion; I have some strong views about that, too).

At the same time, Fox News was really starting to kick CNN's butt all over the place. And how were they doing that? Well, some of it was the whole "preaching to the choir" thing, where the audience is really into you because you're telling it what it wants to hear, but Fox's execs also understood that the "anti-Ted" approach (making your anchors the stars INSTEAD of the news, and finding the most charismatic and (sometimes) polarizing anchors out there and encouraging them to say whatever they felt like saying on TV -- that such an approach would make CNN seem boring by comparison.

CNN eventually reacted to this by trying the same strategy--that's what made possible abominations like the hiring of Rick Sanchez and Nancy Grace. (I've said it many times: any network that would employ a person like Nancy Grace doesn't really want to be taken seriously, and shouldn't be). And don't even get me started on Piers Morgan!

(Prior to this era, there were only a couple of CNN reporters who could get away with playing by their own rules: Christiane Amanpour, because she had more balls than any man at CNN, and Candy Crowley, who inexplicably then (as now) could get away with saying any crazy shit--one hundred percent opinion, zero percent objective fact--and get away with it).

Even anchors who are smart and capable (Don Lemon comes to mind) are today allowed (encouraged?) to speak their minds freely during news broadcasts, often with embarrassing results. If I were to watch CNN today (unlikely), I would doubtless soon find myself yelling at the TV: "Stop telling me what you think, and start telling me what you KNOW!" And even the estimable Anderson Cooper is guilty of this; you could, in fact, make the argument that he's the CNN anchor who started it. I can't count the number of times I've been put off by Anderson's efforts to pre-digest the news and "explain" it to me.

Note to news anchors everywhere: nobody thinks you're all that smart. We know you're mostly just reading the words from a TelePrompTer; words that were written by someone brighter than you, probably; in between your Tourette's-like fits of opinionating to make yourself seem interesting to viewers. You know what would make you interesting? If you were credible.

Not to excuse the exec producers and line producers from any responsibility for the debacle that is today's CNN; no, there is also some truly terrible news judgment at play (see Anonymous's astute Flight 370 comments above). But the main reason CNN doesn't work is because it can't remember what it used to be and what it needs to be. I say bring back Ted Turner (who we'd occasionally see in the food court at CNN Center back in the day, wearing a rumpled suit and scuffed brown shoes; a thoroughly approachable and engaging guy) and let him kick some ass. Remind CNNers that their job is to be solid (and, all right, perhaps a little bit boring) until the shit hits the fan -- and then you get going on a big story and cover it like no one else can. Don't like the idea of being solid but boring? Well, how's the alternative working out for ya? Not too well, as it turns out.

So I put this question to CNN's brass: if no one's going to watch your air (and virtually no one is watching your air), wouldn't you rather at least have your integrity intact? Go back to "no stars, just the news" and re-earn the trust you have squandered over the past dozen years. Let the Fox Newses and the Huffington Posts and the MSNBCs of the world fracture the media landscape and pick over the shards. You don't have to do that. You could play it down the middle. You could try as hard to be responsible as you're trying now to be interesting. And you might just succeed at the former, whereas you're failing miserably at the latter.
 

HomerJS

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Yes, Trump is a fascist, is objective fact. this is old news.
Dude, you are using what I call the last line of defense...

Yeah we knew he was a fascist but that was litigated in the election.
Yeah we knew he had conflicts of interest that he wouldn't divest but that was litigated in the election.
Yeah we knew he was a dirtbag but that was litigated in the election.
Yeah we knew he was an everyday liar but that was litigated in the election.
 

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I don't give fox a lot more credibility than I do most of the main stream media, but CNN has taken their credibility into the dumpster and lit it on fire during this election cycle. They are no better than infowars at this point.

You really have lost it, haven't you? Or is this just hyperbole?
 

Jaskalas

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Loosening Libel Laws is a pretty good deal if you already have a team of Lawyers on retainer and as a billionaire unlimited resources to chase irritants.
However it may stifle Free Speech and other pesky Constitutional guidelines.

Has this happened?
It's going to take a law passing in Congress, yes?
That would be an action to truly examine and protest if it's found to be as you see it.
 

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You really have lost it, haven't you? Or is this just hyperbole?

Is anyone really surprised that poker ranks fox over cnn? The real shocker here is even some conservatives hold infowars in lower esteem than the president of the united states.
 

Vic

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News sources that say things PokerGuy doesn't like = democrat propaganda.

It's pretty clear where you stand.
Particularly when a few of the media outlets he mentioned, ABC, CBS, and NBC, have a long history of Republican party support.
It's pretty clear that Breitbart and the rest of the alt-right media have done a great job in gaslighting their viewers.
 

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.... just like CNN, ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, NYT etc etc are all democrat propaganda outlets. I agree.



I don't give fox a lot more credibility than I do most of the main stream media, but CNN has taken their credibility into the dumpster and lit it on fire during this election cycle. They are no better than infowars at this point.

Really? I challenge you to a bullshit war. For every verifiably false (not hoaxed by an outside source) story you post from CNN, I will post one from infowars. I guarantee you'll lose while I'm posting damn near the entire content of Alex Jones's website. Wanna play???

You're seriously fucking deluded. Comparing one of the more moderate news media sites to the most over the top tin foil hatter conspiracy sites only shows how programmed you are by the alt-right.
 
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Vic

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The OP's NYT Article
“The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while,” Mr. Bannon said during a telephone call.
“I want you to quote this,” Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party. They don’t understand this country. They still do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United States.”

Not quite the hostile takeover the OP would have us believe. Yes it's a hostile tone, but it's an angry plea for understanding.
Not Presidential, but when did anyone expect that of Trump and company?

Even if Bannon and Trump have the noblest possible intentions for America, his comments were still inappropriate coming from someone in his position. It's is the media's sacred constitutional duty to hold the government responsible to the people. And guess what, he is the government now. Maybe he doesn't understand why America is already great.
And he also doesn't seem to understand that the reason Trump is President is because just a few thousand people in a couple key states found Trump to be just slightly more palatable than Clinton. There was no mandate from the voters. If the Trump administration keeps wanting to pretend that there was a mandate, and run roughshod over the people and the press, they will only make themselves more unpopular than they already are.
 

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What is shocking to me is that even Amused, who if I remember correctly was a staunch republican in the past finds faults with Trump.

I am, and always have been a libertarian leaning independent. Socially liberal, fiscally moderate/conservative. Pro Second Amendment.

But I know a batshit insane narcissistic, fascist loon when I see one. And Clinton was an infinitely better choice of two evils pragmatically than Trump. Only the people deluded by years of alt-right/Fox News conspiracy bullshit believed differently. And apparently their propaganda was highly effective. Look at the denial of reality going on now. It's the result of years of anti-intellectualist gaslighting by Fox and the Alt-Right.

Anyone who really knew me here knew I was a HUGE stickler for facts. Willing to change my world view to fit facts, rather than deny facts to fit my worldview. What's going on now is the death of fact. And with it, science, history and intellectualism. We literally are slipping into the same state of mind Germany did in the 1930s and it's all because of a concerted program of propaganda designed to justify the denial of fact to fit a worldview. To feed fear and create scapegoats. To make the weak minded question valid, verifiable fact. To validate those deep in the Dunning Kruger effect.
 
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KMFJD

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Is he going to get violent with the media like he did with his ex wife?
 

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Really? I challenge you to a bullsh*t war. For every verifiably false (not hoaxed by an outside source) story you post from CNN, I will post one from infowars. I guarantee you'll lose while I'm posting damn near the entire content of Alex Jones's website. Wanna play???

Nope, I don't play stupid games. It's not a numbers game. When you get caught lying, making up stuff, publishing things you can't verify, having your employees and/or contributors work with specific political candidates to further their agenda and so forth, you've lost credibility. It's not a numbers game, CNN has lost their credibility, pure and simple.

You're seriously f*cking deluded. Comparing one of the more moderate news media sites to the most over the top tin foil hatter conspiracy sites only shows how programmed you are by the alt-right.

lol, "more moderate news media sites". :D :D Good one! Speaking of deluded........

Back to your bunkers! The brownshirts are coming!

You guys and your hysteria and paranoia. :D