Trump Strategist Steve Bannon Says Media Should ‘Keep Its Mouth Shut’

[sdifox]

So it is like this?
WH says something
Press listens, raise question.
WH says you press shutup?

The reporters should count themselves lucky they were not dragged out and shot.

Or Howitzered.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No you are wrong. He said that calling out lying dirtbags for being lying dirtbags is wrong. A totally different situation.

Honestly I can't believe anyone is either naive enough or partisan enough to justify a call by a top tier White House official for suppression of the freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Might as well use the Constitution as toilet paper.

Quote exactly where he called for suppression, and please explain in detail the full extent of Bannon's political power.

 

[agent00f]

Quote exactly where he called for suppression, and please explain in detail the full extent of Bannon's political power.

If you recall what led to bannon talking about his idea of a "civic society", trump asked bannon to correct his policy opinion on such matters and trump doesn't seem to be sort to allow that of many people.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

If you recall what led to bannon talking about his idea of a "civic society", trump asked bannon to correct his policy opinion on such matters and trump doesn't seem to be sort to allow that of many people.

So because Trump wanted Bannon (someone he nominated and has legal control over) to tone down the white nationalist stuff in public, that means... what exactly?

 

[agent00f]

So because Trump wanted Bannon (someone he nominated and has legal control over) to tone down the white nationalist stuff in public, that means... what exactly?

No, Trump wasn't really sure whether his idea of how to handle foreigners was fit, at which point he asked Bannon for the right way to go about it. Ponder for a while what that says about the relationship, starting with whether Trump seems the sort to freely ask for anyone's advice.

 

[cubby1223]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/business/media/stephen-bannon-trump-news-media.html?smid=fb-share

Wake up, America. This is exactly how Hitler and every other authoritarian dictator has started. They are following the playbook and have had YEARS of leadup to this with "alt-right" news sites and radio shows like Alex Jones programming listeners to believe no one else but them. Not even your own eyes. We all lose our freedom when propaganda wins over objective, verifiable facts.

The fact that you compare this to how Hitler began, is very, very, very sad...

Today's America is NOTHING like what led up to the rule of Nazi Germany. Seriously, does nobody actually know history? It's almost akin to saying "Hitler was a male. Trump is a male. Therefore, similar!"

Yes there is stupidity on one side of the broadcast. But it was brought about by stuck-up snobbish elitist stupidity on the other side.

You're not solving anything comparing this to Nazi Germany. In fact, you're just making yourself look ridiculous, and hence forth what you are trying to argue against, appears in a much better light.

 

[agent00f]

The fact that you compare this to how Hitler began, is very, very, very sad...

Today's America is NOTHING like what led up to the rule of Nazi Germany. Seriously, does nobody actually know history? It's almost akin to saying "Hitler was a male. Trump is a male. Therefore, similar!"

Yes there is stupidity on one side of the broadcast. But it was brought about by stuck-up snobbish elitist stupidity on the other side.

You're not solving anything comparing this to Nazi Germany. In fact, you're just making yourself look ridiculous, and hence forth what you are trying to argue against, appears in a much better light.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ti-trump-protest.2497634/page-2#post-38697266

In fairness it's understandable why someone who checks all the boxes wouldn't want the comparison made.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The fact that you compare this to how Hitler began, is very, very, very sad...

Today's America is NOTHING like what led up to the rule of Nazi Germany. Seriously, does nobody actually know history? It's almost akin to saying "Hitler was a male. Trump is a male. Therefore, similar!"

Yes there is stupidity on one side of the broadcast. But it was brought about by stuck-up snobbish elitist stupidity on the other side.

You're not solving anything comparing this to Nazi Germany. In fact, you're just making yourself look ridiculous, and hence forth what you are trying to argue against, appears in a much better light.

"and every other authoritarian dictator"

 

[Amused]

The fact that you compare this to how Hitler began, is very, very, very sad...

Today's America is NOTHING like what led up to the rule of Nazi Germany. Seriously, does nobody actually know history? It's almost akin to saying "Hitler was a male. Trump is a male. Therefore, similar!"

Yes there is stupidity on one side of the broadcast. But it was brought about by stuck-up snobbish elitist stupidity on the other side.

You're not solving anything comparing this to Nazi Germany. In fact, you're just making yourself look ridiculous, and hence forth what you are trying to argue against, appears in a much better light.

"and every other authoritarian dictator"

Your protests of the glaring facts are impotent. Sorry.

 

[alien42]

You're not solving anything comparing this to Nazi Germany. In fact, you're just making yourself look ridiculous, and hence forth what you are trying to argue against, appears in a much better light.

"Are we living in Nazi Germany?" Donald J Trump just two weeks ago.

 

[HomerJS]

Advocating government suppression of freedom of the press? Where did you get that drivel? He's saying that most of the media is hard core lefty liars, heavily biased and pretty much democratic propaganda. That's all spot on correct. There's no mention of anything whatsoever to do with "silencing" anyone or touching the freedom of the press no matter how much most of them lie.



There's nothing disturbing about it. Most in the media have treated Trump and his supporters with disdain and tried everything in their power to undermine and discredit him. He's just calling them out on it. He's not saying they aren't allowed to keep lying, he's just pointing out that they are liars. Nothing wrong with that.

You are free to express yourself, just like someone else is free to say that you are full of crap.

Its a little different when the White House advocates against the 1st amendment and freedom of the press

 

[cubby1223]

No you are wrong. He said that calling out lying dirtbags for being lying dirtbags is wrong. A totally different situation.

Honestly I can't believe anyone is either naive enough or partisan enough to justify a call by a top tier White House official for suppression of the freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Might as well use the Constitution as toilet paper.

And the Democratic Minority Leader also scolded the media for reporting on news because she didn't like that it was bad for her side:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-russian-hacking_us_586fc232e4b099cdb0fccd30

Democrats criticize Fox News all the time. Democrats want to limit freedom of speech, freedom of the press. But when Democrats engage in it:
1) Democrats are more elegant to make it sound reasonable.
2) Spin it as a way to protect your other rights as individuals and rights as minorities.

The main difference here is Bannon was more blunt about what he wanted to say.

It all boils down to the underlying issue - people don't want to pay attention to each other. And it results from people putting each other down. And in that regard, the left is just as good at that as the right. It's a cycle that will not end just because you're highlighting one person saying something that is potentially dangerous. As long as we citizens only care to understand each other on superficial levels and develop hate for each other, this will continue.

 

[MongGrel]

"Are we living in Nazi Germany?" Donald J Trump just two weeks ago.

The Freudian Projection in Trumps case is strong I'd say.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/26/can-it-be-a-lie-if-trump-believes-it

 

[MongGrel]

And the Democratic Minority Leader also scolded the media for reporting on news because she didn't like that it was bad for her side:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-russian-hacking_us_586fc232e4b099cdb0fccd30

Democrats criticize Fox News all the time. Democrats want to limit freedom of speech, freedom of the press. But when Democrats engage in it:
1) Democrats are more elegant to make it sound reasonable.
2) Spin it as a way to protect your other rights as individuals and rights as minorities.

The main difference here is Bannon was more blunt about what he wanted to say.

It all boils down to the underlying issue - people don't want to pay attention to each other. And it results from people putting each other down. And in that regard, the left is just as good at that as the right. It's a cycle that will not end just because you're highlighting one person saying something that is potentially dangerous. As long as we citizens only care to understand each other on superficial levels and develop hate for each other, this will continue.

You refuse to recognize reality when it is happening right in front of your face.

And that is not a put down.

 

[HomerJS]

And the Democratic Minority Leader also scolded the media for reporting on news because she didn't like that it was bad for her side:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-russian-hacking_us_586fc232e4b099cdb0fccd30

Democrats criticize Fox News all the time. Democrats want to limit freedom of speech, freedom of the press. But when Democrats engage in it:
1) Democrats are more elegant to make it sound reasonable.
2) Spin it as a way to protect your other rights as individuals and rights as minorities.

The main difference here is Bannon was more blunt about what he wanted to say.

It all boils down to the underlying issue - people don't want to pay attention to each other. And it results from people putting each other down. And in that regard, the left is just as good at that as the right. It's a cycle that will not end just because you're highlighting one person saying something that is potentially dangerous. As long as we citizens only care to understand each other on superficial levels and develop hate for each other, this will continue.

Democrats have never told Fox News to give up their constitutional rights. Any news org deserves to be criticized when they are wrong or intently lie.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Democrats have never told Fox News to give up their constitutional rights.

Neither has Bannon, per the quotes provided in this thread so far.

 

[zinfamous]

Advocating government suppression of freedom of the press? Where did you get that drivel? He's saying that most of the media is hard core lefty liars, heavily biased and pretty much democratic propaganda. That's all spot on correct. There's no mention of anything whatsoever to do with "silencing" anyone or touching the freedom of the press no matter how much most of them lie.



There's nothing disturbing about it. Most in the media have treated Trump and his supporters with disdain and tried everything in their power to undermine and discredit him. He's just calling them out on it. He's not saying they aren't allowed to keep lying, he's just pointing out that they are liars. Nothing wrong with that.

You are free to express yourself, just like someone else is free to say that you are full of crap.

this is what the kool-aid looks like, folks.

seriously, Guy, do you ever get sick of your own shtick?

 

[zinfamous]

Weeeeeeee!!!! Can't to see the new outrage threads tomorrow.

how long before you finally figure it out? will you stop feeling glee and start feeling a bit miffed when you're the one getting carted off? should you expect sympathy from others?

 

[sandorski]

Using Breitbart as an example, the Press can say anything they want. Even blatant lying.

 

[Jhhnn]

And the Democratic Minority Leader also scolded the media for reporting on news because she didn't like that it was bad for her side:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-russian-hacking_us_586fc232e4b099cdb0fccd30

Democrats criticize Fox News all the time. Democrats want to limit freedom of speech, freedom of the press. But when Democrats engage in it:
1) Democrats are more elegant to make it sound reasonable.
2) Spin it as a way to protect your other rights as individuals and rights as minorities.

The main difference here is Bannon was more blunt about what he wanted to say.

It all boils down to the underlying issue - people don't want to pay attention to each other. And it results from people putting each other down. And in that regard, the left is just as good at that as the right. It's a cycle that will not end just because you're highlighting one person saying something that is potentially dangerous. As long as we citizens only care to understand each other on superficial levels and develop hate for each other, this will continue.

Pelosi's remarks in no way offer that the media should STFU--

“Because every single day you reported that there was an email that was embarrassing to the Clinton administration without saying we know this because of disruption by a foreign power into our electoral system, you knew that, you knew it was the Russians,” she said.

“Did it affect the Clinton campaign? Of course it did, of course it did,” she added. “Would it have come out differently? I don’t know, because there are many factors in an election"

She called for accuracy. Bannon calls for silence.

 

[zinfamous]

The fact that you compare this to how Hitler began, is very, very, very sad...

Today's America is NOTHING like what led up to the rule of Nazi Germany. Seriously, does nobody actually know history? It's almost akin to saying "Hitler was a male. Trump is a male. Therefore, similar!"

Yes there is stupidity on one side of the broadcast. But it was brought about by stuck-up snobbish elitist stupidity on the other side.

You're not solving anything comparing this to Nazi Germany. In fact, you're just making yourself look ridiculous, and hence forth what you are trying to argue against, appears in a much better light.

I agree, it is nothing like Weimar Germany, which has always bothered me that the Orangeman campaigned on a fantasy that it was exactly Weimar Germany and convinced enough idiots that it very much was Weimar Germany. and that only he, HE ALONE could save them from this burning, crumbling, desperate hellhole of a shitty country

Were you not paying attention, at all?

Time and fucking time again we pointed out to you drooling idiots that this was exactly Trump's messaging, this was exactly his imaging, and the fools continued to slurp it up like desperate little puppies starving for mommy's milk. If you didn't see Mussolini/Franko/1920s-30s national socialist messaging throughout the Strumpf campaign and especially at his RNC fiasco, then you are fucking blind.

Clearly, you are the one not paying attention to history.

 

[MongGrel]

NM, not worth it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

how long before you finally figure it out? will you stop feeling glee and start feeling a bit miffed when you're the one getting carted off? should you expect sympathy from others?

Who is being carted off?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You're just all over the place in your reasoning it appears.

Elaborate pls. Have I ever said that a government official saying "Shut up" is equivalent to denial of freedom of speech/press? Pretty sure I haven't. My reasoning is simple and consistent: an official with no direct political power of his own cannot infringe on anyone's free speech, by definition. Any attempt for him to do so (which he has not yet made regardless) would be done with zero authority until backed by someone with actual political power.

 

[zinfamous]

Who is being carted off?

The educated. The poor. The brown skins. The secular. The leaders. The less-than-8's (sorry, AT!) Then everyone else. Are you paying attention?