Trump probably shot at a rally -- Still a jerk

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zinfamous

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Not to go dipshit Q on this, but thinking back on John and Robert Kennedy's assassinations and the unsolved mysteries that followed each tragedy, I'd say there's going to be a somewhat similar situation with Trump's.

Let's be clear: Trump wasn't assassinated.
Also, there isn't even an attempted assassination. No court has argued this or decided on the event, period. Let's wait and hear the arguments, all the evidence. I don't care what's on TV. We can't make any assumptions until this situation has been litigated in court and decided a panel of experts.
 

Muse

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Witnesses say Secret Service ignored them when they tried to point out the shooter.

CBS late in their broadcast showed coverage originally on BBC of an attendee who said animatedly that he and others were 50 feet from the building where they saw the gunman climbing up on the roof with a rifle. They vociferously pointed him out to security personnel, "look, look!" This went on for about "3 minutes" and he wondered why the hell Trump was still speaking! Then, shots, etc.

Obviously the security at this rally sucked bigtime. Any of them should have been in a position to alert Command and have procedings scuttled in a few heartbeats.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Anyone notice what he said multiple times when he got up (read his lips)? He said fight multiple times.

Who in their right minds would be thinking to say something like that unless you where prepared before hand for it to happen?? Just a thought, doesn't mean it was a setup, but it does make you wonder.

Edit: also, the shooter had to be behind him to hit his ear when it did, as he had his head turned (which is when he grabbed his ear), unless he was hit by a richochet, or some other debree.
 

eelw

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Let's be clear: Trump wasn't assassinated.
Also, there isn't even an attempted assassination. No court has argued this or decided on the event, period. Let's wait and hear the arguments, all the evidence. I don't care what's on TV. We can't make any assumptions until this situation has been litigated in court and decided a panel of experts.
Lol wonder if the shooter speaks in complete sentences?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Let's be clear: Trump wasn't assassinated.
Also, there isn't even an attempted assassination. No court has argued this or decided on the event, period. Let's wait and hear the arguments, all the evidence. I don't care what's on TV. We can't make any assumptions until this situation has been litigated in court and decided a panel of experts.
I for one would like to hear from the other party before passing judgement.
 

kage69

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Maybe shooter lost his entire family to covid and bleach injections. Maybe someone he loved died because they couldn't get an abortion in time. Maybe he just wanted to spare America the risk. I guess we'll know soon.

How long until the next attempt is what I'm wondering. That utterly bullshit immunity ruling put a target on Trump's head. It's still there.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Anyone notice what he said multiple times when he got up (read his lips)? He said fight multiple times.

Who in their right minds would be thinking to say something like that unless you where prepared before hand for it to happen?? Just a thought, doesn't mean it was a setup, but it does make you wonder.

Edit: also, the shooter had to be behind him to hit his ear when it did, as he had his head turned (which is when he grabbed his ear), unless he was hit by a richochet, or some other debree.
He was to trump's right. He would have hit the back quarter of his skull had he not turned his head to the right (or if the shooter had aimed more forward).
 
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Muse

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Political violence is bad, and the naked partisanship running through some Republicans to capitalize on this is sickening, as if they give 2 fucks about gun violence.

On another note, remember when Mr. Pelosi was attacked by a lunatic with a hammer and Trump repeatedly made jokes about the incident?
His target was Nancy Pelosi, but she wasn't home. So, he went after her husband. He said he had intended to break her kneecaps with that hammer.
 

Zorba

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Maybe shooter lost his entire family to covid and bleach injections. Maybe someone he loved died because they couldn't get an abortion in time. Maybe he just wanted to spare America the risk. I guess we'll know soon.

How long until the next attempt is what I'm wondering. That utterly bullshit immunity ruling put a target on Trump's head. It's still there.
Maybe he loved his bump stock?
 
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Muse

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I call bs. Unless the person was recording with a high speed camera, there is no way a bullet was caught on film.
Plus that "grey streak" was about 3 inches too low to have hit the top of Trump's right ear.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Let's be clear: Trump wasn't assassinated.
Also, there isn't even an attempted assassination. No court has argued this or decided on the event, period. Let's wait and hear the arguments, all the evidence. I don't care what's on TV. We can't make any assumptions until this situation has been litigated in court and decided a panel of experts.
I think you're going overboard on "judicial notice", when the justice system is designed with a built-in bias favoring the "innocent" such that the guilty often go free. It is not a reliable arbiter of the Truth.

YOu have the CSI perspective -- gather all the evidence, consider all the logical inferences, eliminate illogical or inconsistent inferences, narrow down the sieve of possibilities until you arrive at a conclusion. If there are loose ends, it becomes an opportunity for the defense attorney.

We do want a thorough investigation, and revelation of all the facts. This wasn't done with the Kennedy assassination, obvious from reading the Warren Report and considering other evidence, depositions and observations. In fact, the JFK murder took advantage of Oswald as a "patsy-opportunity" -- a "returnee" from an infiltration project involving approximately 2,000 Marines sent to Monterey Language School in preparation. But the Mastermind wasn't in the top-echelon of the CIA. He was a mid-level counter-intel and propaganda specialist deeply involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion which preceded the JFK murder, with access to all the resources that would've otherwise been deployed against Castro. CIA was not going to do an "internal investigation", because they would've had to reveal too much in sources and methods related to many other projects. They weren't going to find out for themselves. They weren't going to publish any IG report or other material for benefit of Congress. They HAD to waive it off as it was intended by the Mastermind -- a lone nut "Communist", returned from Russia, inspiring suspicion of Russian complicity, acting on his own for any number of imagined practical or diseased emotional reasons.

With this, there is at this point a pile of "possibilities" in a sieve of possibilities, each hole in the sieve with some probability attached which can later change as additional facts are added, as additional holes in the sieve are eliminated.

But for the matter of propaganda and Public Opinion in a political campaign of this sort, there are all kinds of implications which may -- or may not -- play out. Some of those implications may be intentional by various parties -- most likely core people in the Trump campaign -- people like Bannon.

I would be very wary about future developments. I would also worry deeply about Biden and Harris, given that the "injury" was done to the "Party of Revenge and Retribution".
 

IronWing

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Anyone notice what he said multiple times when he got up (read his lips)? He said fight multiple times.

Who in their right minds would be thinking to say something like that unless you where prepared before hand for it to happen?? Just a thought, doesn't mean it was a setup, but it does make you wonder.

Edit: also, the shooter had to be behind him to hit his ear when it did, as he had his head turned (which is when he grabbed his ear), unless he was hit by a richochet, or some other debree.
Was he hit at all? The blood could have been from hitting the stage when the SS jumped him.
 
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