Victorian Gray
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Please provide the definition you're using. The widely accepted definition doesn't fit your response.
Don't harsh his groove man. He's just having some fun.
Please provide the definition you're using. The widely accepted definition doesn't fit your response.
There isn't an equivalence at all. Killing people is worse than being a narcissistic piece of shit who talks about grabbing pussies. Both are bad. One of them is far worse. It doesn't make the other one OK AT ALL and I'm not sure you can see past this. Why do you have some kind of special need to see Trump as the worst person in history? Is it a fear that if he's "only" 2nd worst then we'll all be chill as shit with him?
This is an extremely odd take on mass murder. I don't think you actually do get it.
Of course we shouldn't let him off the hook, but we also need to keep some historical perspective here.
I hear too often he's this existential threat to democracy.
Eh.. I'm just saying we've seen worse.
Trump is a loser who had failed to do anything other than run a reality show from the wh. For all the bluster and noise, there is very little behind it.
He's done little that won't be reversed over time when he's finally gone.
He's a symptom, though, not the entire disease. A distressing sympom, and gross to look at, like a pustulating (weirdly orange) boil on the body-politic. And the pus itself may spread infection. But you have to wonder why this boil appeared.
The narrative that Bush is solely responsible for mass murder is completely ridiculous and simply not fact based.
America is responsible for all those deaths, not Bush. This is revisionist history to try and absolve US citizens from their responsibility and for the deaths in the wars they have started. Attitudes changed once body bags started coming home. This snippet from Vox sums it up pretty well, along with my other links.
But neither version of history is really correct. The US primarily invaded Iraq not because of lies or because of bad intelligence, though both featured. In fact, it invaded because of an ideology.
A movement of high-minded ideologues had, throughout the 1990s, become obsessed with deposing Saddam Hussein. When they assumed positions of power under Bush in 2001, they did not seek to trick America into that war, but rather tricked themselves. In 9/11, and in fragments of intelligence that more objective minds would have rejected, they could see only validation for their abstract and untested theories about the world — theories whose inevitable and obvious conclusion was an American invasion of Iraq.
Public Attitudes Toward the War in Iraq: 2003-2008
Ratings of how things are going in Iraq have improved over the past year, but a clear majority now say the initial decision to go to war was wrong.www.pewresearch.org
Its comforting and convenient to rely on the "Bush lied people died" idea, but it stems from a nation's cognitive dissonance about the many horrible things it has done over the years. See Central America.
In comparison, Trump is solely responsible for all the racist, mysoginist, anti-immigrant, illegal, corrupt things he's done and the thousands of lies he has uttered. He is solely responsible for babies being in cages, for inciting violence in his supporters, for using the Presidency as a cash register and a means to a very egotistical selfish personal end.
Bush is partially responsible for a failed war.
Trump is wholly responsible for being a failed human being.
Not even close.
I have family members who were gravely maimed for life due to Bush's lies about Iraq and "what they did on 9/11,” and they count themselves lucky versus some of their brothers.
So far Trump had just caused drama, spread corruption and wasted money.
You can't really compare that to a body count half a million high. No one is dead. Full stop.
No American's lives are really changed due to this actions. If you didn't watch the news or go on the Twitter/FB, would you even notice in your daily life? Probably not.
He's a terrible president, but we're getting on despite his bullshit.
Put it this way, if he loses the next election, what's historically notable about his presidency? Nothing but impeachment. He'll be like one of those forgettable 19th century presidents nobody knows about anymore. His best hope is being remembered as "a notable cvnt." And that's it.
Bush would be noted tho. 9/11, starting and losing two wars, and worst financial crash in 75yrs? That will earn you a couple sentences in the history book.
Trump can't stop raging about it on Twitter, so it obviously matters to him that his ass got impeached.Again, does this matter? After all the blown smoke,Trump will be elected president in 2020 AGAIN!.
If Trump gets a second term, you won't even be arguing this point any more. No one will.
When he kills a half a million people I'll reconsider. For now it's just reality show drama bullshit for the most part.
We've had slavery, women prohibited from voting, non-whites oppresed by the govt, state sponsored genocide of Native Americans, internment camps, Jim Crow, govt supported KKK, a civil war, forced draft to fight a pointless war started on a lie... And it's Trump's tweets and shady wh is what ends American democracy?
Come on. Realistically, what is he going to even if he does win that's going to be remembered in 100 yrs?
Especially when Nancy likely keeps the house?
No wall. No more huge tax cuts. Nada.
He's already surrendered on most of his big ideas and doesn't have any new ones.
Just debt, drama and judges.
Last part will really suck, but he'll waste all the rest of his time fighting subpoenas.
Then he'll be out of office with little to show for it.
In 25 yrs we'll still be debating how much of a jerkoff he was.
In 50 yrs everyone will just hazily remember him as that crook that got impeached. Like Nixon, but more useless and absurd.
Most of his supporters will be dead. As will most of his kids.
In 75, barely anyone who voted in 2016 is even alive, much less listen to. Country will have moved on due to other problems and events.
In 100 we'll be living on Mars after we cooked the planet, and the Martians will blame all of their ancestors for our stupidity and failure to act.
When he kills a half a million people I'll reconsider. For now it's just reality show drama bullshit for the most part.
We've had slavery, women prohibited from voting, non-whites oppresed by the govt, state sponsored genocide of Native Americans, internment camps, Jim Crow, govt supported KKK, a civil war, forced draft to fight a pointless war started on a lie... And it's Trump's tweets and shady wh is what ends American democracy?
Come on. Realistically, what is he going to even if he does win that's going to be remembered in 100 yrs?
Especially when Nancy likely keeps the house?
No wall. No more huge tax cuts. Nada.
He's already surrendered on most of his big ideas and doesn't have any new ones.
Just debt, drama and judges.
Last part will really suck, but he'll waste all the rest of his time fighting subpoenas.
Then he'll be out of office with little to show for it.
In 25 yrs we'll still be debating how much of a jerkoff he was.
In 50 yrs everyone will just hazily remember him as that crook that got impeached. Like Nixon, but more useless and absurd.
Most of his supporters will be dead. As will most of his kids.
In 75, barely anyone who voted in 2016 is even alive, much less listen to. Country will have moved on due to other problems and events.
In 100 we'll be living on Mars after we cooked the planet, and the Martians will blame all of their ancestors for our stupidity and failure to act.
Gawd. Leadership matters. It's not like the public decided on their own volition to invade Iraq. They were led to that conclusion with misinformation & lies, which is also how we have Trump.
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Support for invading Iraq was there prior to the WMDs nonsense.
When he kills a half a million people I'll reconsider. For now it's just reality show drama bullshit for the most part.
We've had slavery, women prohibited from voting, non-whites oppresed by the govt, state sponsored genocide of Native Americans, internment camps, Jim Crow, govt supported KKK, a civil war, forced draft to fight a pointless war started on a lie... And it's Trump's tweets and shady wh is what ends American democracy?
Come on. Realistically, what is he going to even if he does win that's going to be remembered in 100 yrs?
Especially when Nancy likely keeps the house?
No wall. No more huge tax cuts. Nada.
He's already surrendered on most of his big ideas and doesn't have any new ones.
Just debt, drama and judges.
Last part will really suck, but he'll waste all the rest of his time fighting subpoenas.
Then he'll be out of office with little to show for it.
In 25 yrs we'll still be debating how much of a jerkoff he was.
In 50 yrs everyone will just hazily remember him as that crook that got impeached. Like Nixon, but more useless and absurd.
Most of his supporters will be dead. As will most of his kids.
In 75, barely anyone who voted in 2016 is even alive, much less listen to. Country will have moved on due to other problems and events.
In 100 we'll be living on Mars after we cooked the planet, and the Martians will blame all of their ancestors for our stupidity and failure to act.