The ghosts of impeachment past have come to visit Chuck Schumer. CNN is running a story with some pretty politically inconvenient quotes from Larry King Live and other sources where Schumer defines the role of the Senate as a “body that was susceptible to the whims of politics”.It's def more subtle than his efforts with Zelensky. Trump & McConnell can't afford to lose more than a few votes in formulating the rules. The whitewash will be a lot tougher if Dems get to call the witnesses they want.
YwThank you. Did you notice how he never mentioned the facts of the case against Trump?
Just regurgitated Republican talking points.Thank you. Did you notice how he never mentioned the facts of the case against Trump?
Just regurgitated Republican talking points.
Do you think it's ok for a President to solicit dirt on his political opponents from a foreign country?Right...and I can say Democrat talking points when someone here posts something too. What we really have is a bunch of people on both sides of the aisle, yelling, with nobody paying attention to each other.
And who will lead them? Vile as he is, Trump has a charismatic appeal to the base like nobody else. He's the master of mind fuck.
Right...and I can say Democrat talking points when someone here posts something too. What we really have is a bunch of people on both sides of the aisle, yelling, with nobody paying attention to each other.
Impeachment is a side show, because Republicans stand by their leader. And we do not have the votes to overcome that.
We'll do our part to get rid of him in 2020, via the election. But even if that works... he symbolizes far bigger problems that do not simply go away. The base is still crazy, and only a few Republicans even pay lip service to the recognition of that. Not a single one stands to oppose it. Those cowards will let this disease fester. And this disease needs no leader, it has the human condition. It has us and social media, it needs nothing more to end us.
Republicans must live with being spineless!!
Statements like this lead me to believe that partisan bitterness, and not the law, are the Republicans' primary motivation here.The ghosts of impeachment past have come to visit Chuck Schumer. CNN is running a story with some pretty politically inconvenient quotes from Larry King Live and other sources where Schumer defines the role of the Senate as a “body that was susceptible to the whims of politics”.
Impeachment is a side show, because Republicans stand by their leader. And we do not have the votes to overcome that.
We'll do our part to get rid of him in 2020, via the election. But even if that works... he symbolizes far bigger problems that do not simply go away. The base is still crazy, and only a few Republicans even pay lip service to the recognition of that. Not a single one stands to oppose it. Those cowards will let this disease fester. And this disease needs no leader, it has the human condition. It has us and social media, it needs nothing more to end us.
Statements like this lead me to believe that partisan bitterness, and not the law, are the Republicans' primary motivation here.
Statements like this lead me to believe that partisan bitterness, and not the law, are the Republicans' primary motivation here.
I don't agree. Trump is imperiling democracy in the US in a way that Bush did not.
You are right, Trump isn't imperiling democracy in the same way as Bush. Trump's fuckups haven't resulted in ending the lives, dreams, hopes, and futures of hundreds of thousands of people. He's fucking democracy as hard as he can, yet still not as competently and thoroughly as Bush did.
I don't agree. Trump is imperiling democracy in the US in a way that Bush did not.
Statements like Schumer’s lead me to believe that partisan bitterness, and not the law, are the Democrats’ primary motivation here.Statements like this lead me to believe that partisan bitterness, and not the law, are the Republicans' primary motivation here.
Bush didn’t start the WoT. Bin Laden did. At the outset, Bush was a popular wartime President. Congress bipartisanly supported him to thunderous applause. To say that Bush duped the country into war is absurd given the intelligence and who had access to it.I have family members who were gravely maimed for life due to Bush's lies about Iraq and "what they did on 9/11,” and they count themselves lucky versus some of their brothers.
So far Trump had just caused drama, spread corruption and wasted money.
You can't really compare that to a body count half a million high. No one is dead. Full stop.
No American's lives are really changed due to this actions. If you didn't watch the news or go on the Twitter/FB, would you even notice in your daily life? Probably not.
He's a terrible president, but we're getting on despite his bullshit.
Put it this way, if he loses the next election, what's historically notable about his presidency? Nothing but impeachment. He'll be like one of those forgettable 19th century presidents nobody knows about anymore. His best hope is being remembered as "a notable cvnt." And that's it.
Bush would be noted tho. 9/11, starting and losing two wars, and worst financial crash in 75yrs? That will earn you a couple sentences in the history book.
Bush didn’t start the WoT. Bin Laden did. At the outset, Bush was a popular wartime President. Congress bipartisanly supported him to thunderous applause. To say that Bush duped the country into war is absurd given the intelligence and who had access to it.
Bush lacked the leadership to set strategic goals for the exit strategy to those wars.
Bush didn’t start the WoT. Bin Laden did. At the outset, Bush was a popular wartime President. Congress bipartisanly supported him to thunderous applause. To say that Bush duped the country into war is absurd given the intelligence and who had access to it.
Bush lacked the leadership to set strategic goals for the exit strategy to those wars.
9/11 is what truly broke AmericaBin laden had nothing to do with Iraq, but the Bush wh carefully tried to tie them to it to justify their pointless, bloody war.
For all the trillions spent and thousands killed, what did we accomplish?
The whole gd Middle East is an even worse disaster to this day, and we've only lost credibility and influence in the region.
And to the original point, how is Trump fighting every subpoena in court and trying to cheat in elections worse? Craven and corrupt, but more damaging to the LT interests of the country? Not buying it.
I was in uniform when 9/11 happened. Like many, I was eager to go after Bin Laden and the Taliban, I expect as many young men did after Pearl Harbor. Once Bush started to beat the war drum for Iraq is when I chose to become a civilian again. I will forever detest all the politicians who lacked the courage to stop that war from ever happening. No politician who supported the invasion of Iraq deserves to sit in the White House.going into afghanistan to find bin Laden is at least justifiable in some sense (were it a more established country, there's no way we could have rolled in the way we did). Iraq OTOH was basically a farce and we had no business there. I was a naive young kid at the time and supported going into Iraq. Oh how wrong I was - 15 years of hindsight later.
Bush didn’t start the WoT. Bin Laden did. At the outset, Bush was a popular wartime President. Congress bipartisanly supported him to thunderous applause. To say that Bush duped the country into war is absurd given the intelligence and who had access to it.
Bush lacked the leadership to set strategic goals for the exit strategy to those wars.
