Trump May Be Acquitted in a Senate Impeachment Trial. That's Not the Same as Being Exonerated

[Jhhnn]

Unlikely, hate seems to be the normal human condition. Just read through threads right here, most of them are centered on hate, punishment, and retribution, from people that claim to be progressive.
People are by and large fairley stupid, we're easily manipulated, easily lead into doing any number of self destructive things in support of a system of beliefs that often have no logic other than not being what someone else wants. We search for reasons to disagree, and when we can't find them, we create them.
We measure success by who gathers the most amount of money or power. We share whatever success we enjoy by displaying it to others, and no matter how much of anything we have, we want more.
To me, the wonder is that we've made it this far.

Meh. Don't be so dishonest with yourself. Trump's whole pitch is built on a mountain of fear & derision spewed forth by the right wing, from Rush to Gingrich & on to a cacophony of haters like Hannity & Trump himself. They've been screaming "Fuck you, Libtards!" for decades. Their shitty attitudes about their fellow Americans & the ROTW are starting to wear off on the opposition.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Somewhat on topic, I just heard that Trump has endorsed Senator Susan Collins for re-election...hmmm just before the Senate trial for impeachment...nah, that couldn't be why.

The same Susan Collins who broke from her party to acquit Clinton?

The same Susan Collins who the Democrats have been targeting because she stood with her party on Kavanaugh?

The same Susan Collins who the Democrats now need to break McConnell’s firewall?

 

[Jhhnn]

The same Susan Collins who broke from her party to acquit Clinton?

The same Susan Collins who the Democrats have been targeting because she stood with her party on Kavanaugh?

The same Susan Collins who the Democrats now need to break McConnell’s firewall?

The same. So what?

 

[blackangst1]

Same outcome as Clinton.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Did you forget Dubya? He literally started an illegal war that killed tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. I'm sure most here hate Trump even worse than Bush, but Bush was an order of magnitude worse and I remember absolute hatred from the left and love from the right. That's pretty divisive. We may be suffering from recency bias...he's the guy there now and we need to remove him ASAP so let's pretend like he's worse than our actual murdery president.

You've pushed this false equivalence before, and it still doesn't hold water.

We get it, Bush started a war. There was overwhelming support for that thanks to a false narrative, an intellectually lazy public, and the the whole America f yeah attitude y'all have.

 

[soundforbjt]

The same Susan Collins who broke from her party to acquit Clinton?

The same Susan Collins who the Democrats have been targeting because she stood with her party on Kavanaugh?

The same Susan Collins who the Democrats now need to break McConnell’s firewall?

Yep, and?

 

[JEDIYoda]

The same Susan Collins who broke from her party to acquit Clinton?

The same Susan Collins who the Democrats have been targeting because she stood with her party on Kavanaugh?

The same Susan Collins who the Democrats now need to break McConnell’s firewall?

Your point?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Did you forget Dubya? He literally started an illegal war that killed tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. I'm sure most here hate Trump even worse than Bush, but Bush was an order of magnitude worse and I remember absolute hatred from the left and love from the right. That's pretty divisive. We may be suffering from recency bias...he's the guy there now and we need to remove him ASAP so let's pretend like he's worse than our actual murdery president.

o what? That was then, this now......so sorry for you!

 

[HomerJS]

The same people who give Trump a pass on this would impeach the Negro if he held up aid to Israel until the Mousad got him a copy of Trump's pee tape.

Those would have been the same thing.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The same. So what?

Yep, and?

Your point?

lol. I was addressing the concern over Trump endorsing Susan Collins.

 

[ShookKnight]

Correct.

However, that doesn't mean anything to him or his base.

The jackass doesn't even know what quid pro quo means; https://apnews.com/8b63593dda6377d54ce7e442821751cc

Also, this baby;

Is this normal... in any capacity? In any situation? Be honest.

Trump has strong backing; the entire GOP, a rabid base of lunatic racists, rapists, fascists, murderers and thieves and Russia (via mob money, dirt and God knows what else...).

No one this stupid can pull this off by himself. Which is funny, since Obama was accused of Byzantine-esque behavior to get to the Presidency.

Anyway, as much as this orange pile of shit doesn't deserve to be President, the truth is, he ain't going anywhere... unless God intervenes.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol. I was addressing the concern over Trump endorsing Susan Collins.

It's def more subtle than his efforts with Zelensky. Trump & McConnell can't afford to lose more than a few votes in formulating the rules. The whitewash will be a lot tougher if Dems get to call the witnesses they want.

 

[Jaskalas]

It may not seem like it right now, but Trump is meaningless next to the sycophants supporting him.

Trump will come and go, but the drop in decorum heralding his arrival into politics will ring loudly for decades. And that's if we do not descend further into madness and despair. By all accounts, the GOP is more than willing to not only lead us there... but to fight for it. And as mere humans, we opponents are not likely to find the high road.

Impeachment is a side show, the devil is in the details.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Dubya sucked oily balls, but he wasn't in the same league as Trump when it comes to divisiveness. No past president is. Trump takes every opportunity to drive a wedge between his base and his perceived opposition (which in itself is a moving target).

Yeah well that's like your opinion, man.

Let's get rid of Trump but it doesn't sit right to me if we make him out to be worse than Bush in any way at all. Well, other than his stupidity. And his narcissism. And his shitty hair. OK so there are some things...

 

[Jhhnn]

It may not seem like it right now, but Trump is meaningless next to the sycophants supporting him.

Trump will come and go, but the drop in decorum heralding his arrival into politics will ring loudly for decades. And that's if we do not descend further into madness and despair. By all accounts, the GOP is more than willing to not only lead us there... but to fight for it. And as mere humans, we opponents are not likely to find the high road.

Impeachment is a side show, the devil is in the details.

And who will lead them? Vile as he is, Trump has a charismatic appeal to the base like nobody else. He's the master of mind fuck.

 

[Muse]

Yeah well that's like your opinion, man.

Let's get rid of Trump but it doesn't sit right to me if we make him out to be worse than Bush in any way at all. Well, other than his stupidity. And his narcissism. And his shitty hair. OK so there are some things...

He's more pigheaded, more divisive by intention, more narcicistic, more mean spirited... all by far than dubya. The only positive I can think of is that he's not started a NEW war. He has horribly fucked up majorly an already miserably fucked up situation in Syria.

The shitshow that's been the Trump misadministration makes dubya's look well orchestrated in comparison. I'm no historian, I can't tell you all about Dubya's administration, but I'm sure that Trump's has a level of chaos utterly unmatched in American history. I am not the least bit surprised, I sensed it coming. And on top of all that is the incontrovertible fact that Trump has accomplished virtually nothing, on the contrary he's intentionally undone a great deal of hard won accomplishments. The USA deserves one great big raspberry from well meaning people in the USA ... and the rest of the world.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

He's more pigheaded, more divisive by intention, more narcicistic, more mean spirited... all by far than dubya. The only positive I can think of is that he's not started a NEW war. He has horribly fucked up majorly an already miserably fucked up situation in Syria.

The shitshow that's been the Trump misadministration makes dubya's look well orchestrated in comparison. I'm no historian, I can't tell you all about Dubya's administration, but I'm sure that Trump's has a level of chaos utterly unmatched in American history. I am not the least bit surprised, I sensed it coming. And on top of all that is the incontrovertible fact that Trump has accomplished virtually nothing, on the contrary he's intentionally undone a great deal of hard won accomplishments. The USA deserves one great big raspberry from well meaning people in the USA ... and the rest of the world.

Damn it man. Bush killed lots of people. Actually killed them with an illegal war. They are dead. Lots of them. Like tens of thousands of lives and dreams and futures gone. It doesn't get more mean spirited than killing humans. How is this even controversial? It's OK for us to agree that Trump is awful without him being the worst ever.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

You've pushed this false equivalence before, and it still doesn't hold water.

There isn't an equivalence at all. Killing people is worse than being a narcissistic piece of shit who talks about grabbing pussies. Both are bad. One of them is far worse. It doesn't make the other one OK AT ALL and I'm not sure you can see past this. Why do you have some kind of special need to see Trump as the worst person in history? Is it a fear that if he's "only" 2nd worst then we'll all be chill as shit with him?

We get it, Bush started a war. There was overwhelming support for that thanks to a false narrative, an intellectually lazy public, and the the whole America f yeah attitude y'all have.

This is an extremely odd take on mass murder. I don't think you actually do get it.

 

[HomerJS]

You've pushed this false equivalence before, and it still doesn't hold water.

We get it, Bush started a war. There was overwhelming support for that thanks to a false narrative, an intellectually lazy public, and the the whole America f yeah attitude y'all have.

Don't blame Barbra Lee. She should have a lifetime seat in Congress for her lone "No" vote on the AUMF back in 2002.

Go back and read her rationale

 

[Bitek]

There isn't an equivalence at all. Killing people is worse than being a narcissistic piece of shit who talks about grabbing pussies. Both are bad. One of them is far worse. It doesn't make the other one OK AT ALL and I'm not sure you can see past this. Why do you have some kind of special need to see Trump as the worst person in history? Is it a fear that if he's "only" 2nd worst then we'll all be chill as shit with him?



This is an extremely odd take on mass murder. I don't think you actually do get it.

Bush was way worse. I agree. Hundreds of thousands of people dead and injured due to him.

Djt too incompetent and obsessed with trivial things to manage to accomplish anything of significance.

Bush also fd the economy, created a lost decade, and burned through trillions of dollars.

That being said, as divisive as bush was, djt has a special ability to enflame feelings about him, good or bad. Plus he's a brazen criminal with no sense of patriotism.

Bush could be seen as a least doing what he thought right for the country, if by terrible means and foolishness.

 

[woolfe9998]

Bush was way worse. I agree. Hundreds of thousands of people dead and injured due to him.

Djt too incompetent and obsessed with trivial things to manage to accomplish anything of significance.

Bush also fd the economy, created a lost decade, and burned through trillions of dollars.

That being said, as divisive as bush was, djt has a special ability to enflame feelings about him, good or bad. Plus he's a brazen criminal with no sense of patriotism.

Bush could be seen as a least doing what he thought right for the country, if by terrible means and foolishness.

I don't agree. Trump is imperiling democracy in the US in a way that Bush did not.

 

[compuwiz1]

Pretty good take on this impeachment farse

My take is this is good for Republicans. What I especially like in this article:
"Trump grates on the nerves of many—including many supporters—but that is not an impeachable offense. The country will punish a party that puts its own rabid partisan antagonism ahead of the national interest in effective government. The Democrats have no case for impeachment so they can’t go forward. They cannot possibly imagine there is any smoking gun anywhere to unsettle this administration. And as the country enters a presidential election year, they can’t get anyone except their lickspittles in the national political media drooling again about any legal threat to this president."

 

[soundforbjt]

Pretty good take on this impeachment farse

My take is this is good for Republicans. What I especially like in this article:
"Trump grates on the nerves of many—including many supporters—but that is not an impeachable offense. The country will punish a party that puts its own rabid partisan antagonism ahead of the national interest in effective government. The Democrats have no case for impeachment so they can’t go forward. They cannot possibly imagine there is any smoking gun anywhere to unsettle this administration. And as the country enters a presidential election year, they can’t get anyone except their lickspittles in the national political media drooling again about any legal threat to this president."

So you like an article written by a criminal who was pardoned by Trump...no surprises here.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Pretty good take on this impeachment farse

My take is this is good for Republicans. What I especially like in this article:
"Trump grates on the nerves of many—including many supporters—but that is not an impeachable offense. The country will punish a party that puts its own rabid partisan antagonism ahead of the national interest in effective government. The Democrats have no case for impeachment so they can’t go forward. They cannot possibly imagine there is any smoking gun anywhere to unsettle this administration. And as the country enters a presidential election year, they can’t get anyone except their lickspittles in the national political media drooling again about any legal threat to this president."

Conrad Black?! ROFLMFAO

 

[Jhhnn]

My take is this is good for Republicans. What I especially like in this article:
"Trump grates on the nerves of many—including many supporters—but that is not an impeachable offense. The country will punish a party that puts its own rabid partisan antagonism ahead of the national interest in effective government. The Democrats have no case for impeachment so they can’t go forward. They cannot possibly imagine there is any smoking gun anywhere to unsettle this administration. And as the country enters a presidential election year, they can’t get anyone except their lickspittles in the national political media drooling again about any legal threat to this president."

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