News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[conehead433]

I'm wondering how a judge could possibly rule that the DOJ can't look at the classified documents that were in Trump's possession since the documents belong to the government and not Donald Trump. And with numerous documents missing from their folders as well as the very nature of many of the documents any other person would be thrown in jail with no bail allowed until the matter had been resolved. The judge should be impeached and removed from the bench.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

According to the article below, the FBI confirmed, without naming names, that they were serving a search warrant at that location. That's probably as much as we'll get from them.

"An FBI spokesperson told CNN, 'Without commenting on this specific matter, I can confirm that the FBI was at that location executing a search warrant authorized by a federal judge.'"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/13/politics/mike-lindell-phone-seized-fbi-subpoena-my-pillow/index.html

Okay it is now confirmed from a trusted source

 

[pete6032]

I keep clicking this thread to see if anything interesting topic related, but nope this whole page is wasted.

So Trump efforts to delay his NY trial has been denied. So October it is.

While we are waiting, let's take a moment to share our favorite posts from this thread.

By far my favorite was when Greenman told us it didn't matter if Trump took nuclear launch codes because the codes probably changed when Biden took office.

What's in the folders is what's important. If it turns out those are the nuclear launch codes that I've seen mentioned, it doesn't matter at all because I'm absolutely certain they change those when a new president takes office.

 

[Greenman]

While we are waiting, let's take a moment to share our favorite posts from this thread.

By far my favorite was when Greenman told us it didn't matter if Trump took nuclear launch codes because the codes probably changed when Biden took office.

So you think those codes stay the same forever, and anyone that has them can pick up the phone and call in a strike? You also think the codes are the only requirement for ordering a strike? The guys in the silos compare the numbers to their list then fire off the missiles at whatever target they're told to hit?
It's complete bullshit. Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my post, but I assumed pretty much everyone with half a brain would know that it takes more than a pin number to murder a city. The codes Trump is alleged have are worthless, he could post them on facebook and it wouldn't matter.

Lets circle back around to what actually matters. Trump needs to be charged with a crime, then the evidence needs to be presented, then a jury get's to decide if he in fact committed a crime. All the "evidence" presented here has a value of exactly zero. This thread is nothing more than a hate fest where you fellows can find like minded people to agree with your beliefs. While I have no problem with that, don't think for a moment that your conviction has some veracity. It's chest thumping and cheering, it's the empty victory of having your beliefs vindicated by like minded people.

 

[ImpulsE69]

So you think those codes stay the same forever, and anyone that has them can pick up the phone and call in a strike? You also think the codes are the only requirement for ordering a strike? The guys in the silos compare the numbers to their list then fire off the missiles at whatever target they're told to hit?
It's complete bullshit. Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my post, but I assumed pretty much everyone with half a brain would know that it takes more than a pin number to murder a city. The codes Trump is alleged have are worthless, he could post them on facebook and it wouldn't matter.

Lets circle back around to what actually matters. Trump needs to be charged with a crime, then the evidence needs to be presented, then a jury get's to decide if he in fact committed a crime. All the "evidence" presented here has a value of exactly zero. This thread is nothing more than a hate fest where you fellows can find like minded people to agree with your beliefs. While I have no problem with that, don't think for a moment that your conviction has some veracity. It's chest thumping and cheering, it's the empty victory of having your beliefs vindicated by like minded people.

I wasn't around and I'm not going to go trolling through your posts, but I ask one question of you: Do you think the 2020 election was stolen or fraudulent in any way?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Lets circle back around to what actually matters. Trump needs to be charged with a crime, then the evidence needs to be presented, then a jury get's to decide if he in fact committed a crime.

How do you think we get to that point? Does the DOJ Just randomly select people and decide to charge them with random crimes and see if they are guilty of it or not and it just happened to be Trump's turn, like jury duty?
This is the process you are talking about. This is the process of charging someone with a crime. To present evidence they need to first collect evidence. That in many cases requires a court to decide on what evidence they are allowed to gather and in what manner.

 

[Paratus]

So you think those codes stay the same forever, and anyone that has them can pick up the phone and call in a strike? You also think the codes are the only requirement for ordering a strike? The guys in the silos compare the numbers to their list then fire off the missiles at whatever target they're told to hit?
It's complete bullshit. Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my post, but I assumed pretty much everyone with half a brain would know that it takes more than a pin number to murder a city. The codes Trump is alleged have are worthless, he could post them on facebook and it wouldn't matter.

Lets circle back around to what actually matters. Trump needs to be charged with a crime, then the evidence needs to be presented, then a jury get's to decide if he in fact committed a crime. All the "evidence" presented here has a value of exactly zero. This thread is nothing more than a hate fest where you fellows can find like minded people to agree with your beliefs. While I have no problem with that, don't think for a moment that your conviction has some veracity. It's chest thumping and cheering, it's the empty victory of having your beliefs vindicated by like minded people.

Well our history of securing those missiles ain’t the best. For 20 years the PAL links (missile launch codes) were set to 00000000

Launch code for US nukes was 00000000 for 20 years

PALs were not the pals of Strategic Command generals.

arstechnica.com

 

[ImpulsE69]

I'm not in the streets yelling LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP. So I feel like I'm being pretty unbiased here.

You can tell people have watched too many movies. Everything they don't agree with is a conspiracy. Sorry, it just isn't as easy as you might think to get the DOJ to universally do your bidding without at least one whistleblower to ruin it all. Just like it isn't easy to get the GOP to go along with a democratic plan to steal the election.

Glossing over the evidence that has been presented as "well if he isn't charged he didn't do it" mentality is showing you clearly either don't understand the situation, or really do believe he is innocent and that this is all a farce.

 

[fskimospy]

So you think those codes stay the same forever, and anyone that has them can pick up the phone and call in a strike? You also think the codes are the only requirement for ordering a strike? The guys in the silos compare the numbers to their list then fire off the missiles at whatever target they're told to hit?
It's complete bullshit. Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my post, but I assumed pretty much everyone with half a brain would know that it takes more than a pin number to murder a city. The codes Trump is alleged have are worthless, he could post them on facebook and it wouldn't matter.

I'm not sure what was in those documents but those codes are only one part of a larger overall procedure and it's entirely possible

Lets circle back around to what actually matters. Trump needs to be charged with a crime, then the evidence needs to be presented, then a jury get's to decide if he in fact committed a crime. All the "evidence" presented here has a value of exactly zero. This thread is nothing more than a hate fest where you fellows can find like minded people to agree with your beliefs. While I have no problem with that, don't think for a moment that your conviction has some veracity. It's chest thumping and cheering, it's the empty victory of having your beliefs vindicated by like minded people.

The evidence here has a lot of value and we both know you're applying selective standards here. It's perfectly reasonable to use your brain and intuition to evaluate what we know. If you think we need a trial before making any judgments that implies you believe there's a plausible argument as to how Trump did not commit a crime here. I've asked you before but you didn't say it - what is that plausible argument?

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not in the streets yelling LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP. So I feel like I'm being pretty unbiased here.

You can tell people have watched too many movies. Everything they don't agree with is a conspiracy. Sorry, it just isn't as easy as you might think to get the DOJ to universally do your bidding without at least one whistleblower to ruin it all. Just like it isn't easy to get the GOP to go along with a democratic plan to steal the election.

I think common sense says people should be yelling lock him up. If he were you or me he would have been indicted already.

 

[eelw]

It's chest thumping and cheering, it's the empty victory of having your beliefs vindicated by like minded people.

Lol because most of us can see the plain truth in these facts presented so far.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol because most of us can see the plain truth in these facts presented so far.

Yeah this is not exactly an ambiguous case. He had the prohibited documents in his possession and nobody disputes that.

If @Greenman thinks we are jumping to conclusions then he should explain why either 1) Trump was authorized to have them, 2) Trump didn't know he had them or 3) they were documents anyone could legally possess.

That's the only question here. If he doesn't have an answer or at least a plausible theory as to how one of those options is the case then he's just trying to avoid going against his political tribe.

 

[pete6032]

Lets circle back around to what actually matters. Trump needs to be charged with a crime, then the evidence needs to be presented, then a jury get's to decide if he in fact committed a crime.

So, is stealing nuclear launch codes a crime?

 

[ImpulsE69]

So, is stealing nuclear launch codes a crime?

Apparently only if the code themselves match the current codes.

LOOPHOLE!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So you think those codes stay the same forever, and anyone that has them can pick up the phone and call in a strike? You also think the codes are the only requirement for ordering a strike? The guys in the silos compare the numbers to their list then fire off the missiles at whatever target they're told to hit?
It's complete bullshit. Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my post, but I assumed pretty much everyone with half a brain would know that it takes more than a pin number to murder a city. The codes Trump is alleged have are worthless, he could post them on facebook and it wouldn't matter.

Lets circle back around to what actually matters. Trump needs to be charged with a crime, then the evidence needs to be presented, then a jury get's to decide if he in fact committed a crime. All the "evidence" presented here has a value of exactly zero. This thread is nothing more than a hate fest where you fellows can find like minded people to agree with your beliefs. While I have no problem with that, don't think for a moment that your conviction has some veracity. It's chest thumping and cheering, it's the empty victory of having your beliefs vindicated by like minded people.

I believe the point is if the guy literally has the Nuclear Codes and your reaction is “Meh they changed the codes” it is pretty hard to over come that. I would find it hard to think of something more secret.

 

[MrSquished]

Apparently only if the code themselves match the current codes.

LOOPHOLE!

Hey you can steal information on top secret US spies, but if the spy is no longer on that mission a year later, then it was never a crime!

Greenman is as delusional as the conspiracy theorists, just in the GOP's self-claimed moderates way.

 

[iRONic]

Sooooo many wasted keystrokes. Shitlol

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just incase nobody knows….

Launch code for US nukes was 00000000 for 20 years

PALs were not the pals of Strategic Command generals.

arstechnica.com

 

[dank69]

Well our history of securing those missiles ain’t the best. For 20 years the PAL links (missile launch codes) were set to 00000000

Launch code for US nukes was 00000000 for 20 years

PALs were not the pals of Strategic Command generals.

arstechnica.com

Well they probably figured if we ever lose the codes and need to brute force launch it's likely an emergency and we need to launch as soon as possible.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Just incase nobody knows….

Launch code for US nukes was 00000000 for 20 years

PALs were not the pals of Strategic Command generals.

arstechnica.com

Just wait until they automate it so no human interaction is needed. To save time and tax payer money.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just wait until they automate it so no human interaction is needed. To save time and tax payer money.

This

 

[Zorba]

Just incase nobody knows….

Launch code for US nukes was 00000000 for 20 years

PALs were not the pals of Strategic Command generals.

arstechnica.com

Technically that's the arming code, not the launch code. Also minutemen were all in the US, might have had different codes on the warheads in Europe.

 

[pete6032]

Yeah this is not exactly an ambiguous case. He had the prohibited documents in his possession and nobody disputes that.

If @Greenman thinks we are jumping to conclusions then he should explain why either 1) Trump was authorized to have them, 2) Trump didn't know he had them or 3) they were documents anyone could legally possess.

That's the only question here. If he doesn't have an answer or at least a plausible theory as to how one of those options is the case then he's just trying to avoid going against his political tribe.

He is claiming we are all jumping to conclusions and we need to have a trial showing a crime was committed. At the same point he's already making excuses for Trump if he's found to have committed a crime (i.e. the nuclear codes change all the time so no big deal if he took them).

 

[Paratus]

He is claiming we are all jumping to conclusions and we need to have a trial showing a crime was committed. At the same point he's already making excuses for Trump if he's found to have committed a crime (i.e. the nuclear codes change all the time so no big deal if he took them).

How could one serve on jury to convict anyone ever if we have to have a conviction before someone would be justified in convicting someone?

 

[HomerJS]

Apparently only if the code themselves match the current codes.

LOOPHOLE!

@Greenman good at playing Trump's lawyer.