News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[Pohemi]

I wasn't aware that Hitler or Stalin were alive and well in the US.

JFC you sure have a long list of (dis)qualifiers for your handwaving and yawning on every topic.

 

[fskimospy]

On this I'm inclined to disagree. I can't see them charging even if there were documents. The documents themselves need to be secured and I can see that being justification but I can't see them charging based on it even if there were some found.

Hard disagree.

If the government’s goal was to secure the documents then they would have just sued Trump to force their return. There is no way on earth you FBI raid for them.

A raid like this indicates a few things to me - 1) the FBI was able to convince a federal judge that a crime was committed and 2) the feds intend to charge someone for it.
3) this is almost certainly about more than document retention.

Again, maybe they aren’t able to find the evidence they need and so they can’t charge anything. Maybe they are going after a Trump associate and not Trump himself. They are 100% going to charge a crime if they found what they are looking for though.

 

[eelw]

Maybe they are going after a Trump associate and not Trump himself. They are 100% going to charge a crime if they found what they are looking for though.

I wonder what is the liability of that staffer that’s in charge on handing secure documents to POTUS? Like higher clearance than the average staffer. Not like he won’t be charged if he decided to take a quick peek at a classified document. But more specifically to the one for the orange monkey. Right, he never retrieved items back from the orange monkey near the end of the term or specifically went back to the archive to retrieve documents on the order of the president in that Dec/Jan. Definitely has to be some violation on his part.

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder what is the liability of that staffer that’s in charge on handing secure documents to POTUS? Like higher clearance than the average staffer. Not like he won’t be charged if he decided to take a quick peek at a classified document. But more specifically to the one for the orange monkey. Right, he never retrieved items back from the orange monkey near the end of the term or specifically went back to the archive to retrieve documents on the order of the president in that Dec/Jan. Definitely has to be some violation on his part.

I find it impossible to believe that the FBI is raiding a former president's house a year and a half after they knew he had documents there he shouldn't have, purely for the purpose of securing those documents. If that's what they actually did they are morons. If you're going to raid/charge Trump you do it for something real, and unauthorized storage of documents is not going to cut it.

 

[thilanliyan]

Well You thinking it and proving it to a court are two different things.

Weren't his charities and university found to be corrupt to the core? And those were proven in court.

Now, you can say it was the company and not him, but that's how people like him shield themselves from any liability. Those companies ARE him, and were proven in court to be corrupt...you can bury your head in the sand all you want. Unfortunately people like him get away with stuff normal people like you or I would never get away with.

 

[Moonbeam]

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say a federal criminal indictment is probably not good for a campaign.

Remember the quote - he’s not playing chess, he’s eating the pieces.

I don’t think the aim will be to win but to seize power by revolution.

 

[eelw]

I find it impossible to believe that the FBI is raiding a former president's house a year and a half after they knew he had documents there he shouldn't have, purely for the purpose of securing those documents. If that's what they actually did they are morons. If you're going to raid/charge Trump you do it for something real, and unauthorized storage of documents is not going to cut it.

Hey if it's a federal crime which is a clear open and shut case, why not? Again purpose is to disqualify him from 2024. Pretty obvious Biden and Garland rather avoid sending a former President to jail for reminder of their life. Just getting guilty verdict is enough for them.

 

[cytg111]

I am not aware

Finally. We’re so proud of you.

 

[fskimospy]

Hey if it's a federal crime which is a clear open and shut case, why not? Again purpose is to disqualify him from 2024. Pretty obvious Biden and Garland rather avoid sending a former President to jail for reminder of their life. Just getting guilty verdict is enough for them.

Well a guilty verdict doesn't disqualify him from 2024 in a legal sense and I think a conviction on a small charge would not go well politically for the DOJ/Biden admin. To me the only thing that makes sense here is they think they have something 'real' to charge.

 

[Greenman]

We’re so proud of you.

Happy to hear it.

 

[pcgeek11]

Weren't his charities and university found to be corrupt to the core? And those were proven in court.

Now, you can say it was the company and not him, but that's how people like him shield themselves from any liability. Those companies ARE him, and were proven in court to be corrupt...you can bury your head in the sand all you want. Unfortunately people like him get away with stuff normal people like you or I would never get away with.

Then do tell; why didn't they place him in jail?

 

[UNCjigga]

Hard disagree.

If the government’s goal was to secure the documents then they would have just sued Trump to force their return. There is no way on earth you FBI raid for them.

A raid like this indicates a few things to me - 1) the FBI was able to convince a federal judge that a crime was committed and 2) the feds intend to charge someone for it.
3) this is almost certainly about more than document retention.

Agreed--this may be tangentially related to failure to turn over documents to the Archives, but there is no other precedent for executing a raid to retrieve records. You only do this if you can convince a judge that 1) a crime of substance has been committed/is actively being committed; 2) subpoenas/suits would be ignored, and 3) going after this evidentiary material via subpoenas/suits, or even acknowledging awareness of their existence, is likely to lead to their destruction. In order to convince a judge of this, I think they would need to cite specific past examples of documents/evidence being shuffled around and destroyed. I think FBI brought enough goods to convince a judge they know exactly what they are looking for, and that this is the only way to get the documents/evidence they seek.

Again, maybe they aren’t able to find the evidence they need and so they can’t charge anything. Maybe they are going after a Trump associate and not Trump himself. They are 100% going to charge a crime if they found what they are looking for though.

That was my initial thought as well--I was convinced this raid had more to do with pending indictments against Mark Meadows, or others in Trump's orbit more directly linked to false elector schemes or other attempts to subvert the 2020 election. I'm becoming more and more convinced that Trump might be the actual target of a pending indictment, though.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is like the 4th or 5th time I have seen the Puggers say this. Are they that confident? Egotistical? or are they going to cheat to get puggers in office?

I listened to Fox last night and there was tremendous contempt being hurled at him. If he doesn’t have what it takes to full on fascist the party will replace him with someone who is. Everything Republican these days is about threat and intimidation. The Trumpers are being primed to violence.

 

[UNCjigga]

Then do tell; why didn't they place him in jail?

Do you believe all those Wall Street traders who credit default swapped us into a housing crisis were innocent? Lehman Brothers were all innocent? Do you think the Sackler family and JnJ executives that marketed us into an opioid crisis are all innocent? Why aren't any of them in jail?

 

[ivwshane]

Hard disagree.

If the government’s goal was to secure the documents then they would have just sued Trump to force their return. There is no way on earth you FBI raid for them.

A raid like this indicates a few things to me - 1) the FBI was able to convince a federal judge that a crime was committed and 2) the feds intend to charge someone for it.
3) this is almost certainly about more than document retention.

Again, maybe they aren’t able to find the evidence they need and so they can’t charge anything. Maybe they are going after a Trump associate and not Trump himself. They are 100% going to charge a crime if they found what they are looking for though.

That is incorrect. If they want documents and think you’ll comply then they’ll ask for them via subpoena. On the other hand, if they don’t trust that you’ll give them the documents then they’ll take them via a raid.

From what I’ve heard, trump is in possession of highly classified documents.

 

[fskimospy]

That is incorrect. If they want documents and think you’ll comply then they’ll ask for them via subpoena. On the other hand, if they don’t trust that you’ll give them the documents then they’ll take them via a raid.

From what I’ve heard, trump is in possession of highly classified documents.

That might be true for you or me but is certainly untrue for a former president. There is no way the FBI would attempt a raid to take these without exhausting all other legal avenues first. The odds of that are a flat zero.

EDIT: To be more clear there is no way the FBI would do this without exhausting all other avenues if getting the documents returned were their only goal.

 

[Amol S.]

Now Breaking News on CNN…must be true?

Now “raid” can mean any number of things big or small—let’s see what the scope of the search warrant is.

Yah, hopefully the FBI don't work as part time exterminators for the president.

 

[Amused]

OMG. The post is now attempting to link the GOP appointed Judge that signed the warrant to Epstein. LOL

Judge who OK’d Mar-a-Lago raid Obama donor once linked to Jeffrey Epstein

The Florida federal magistrate judge who signed off on a search warrant authorizing the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort donated to Barack Obama’s …

nypost.com

 

[fskimospy]

OMG. The post is now attempting to link the GOP appointed Judge that signed the warrant to Epstein. LOL

Judge who OK’d Mar-a-Lago raid Obama donor once linked to Jeffrey Epstein

The Florida federal magistrate judge who signed off on a search warrant authorizing the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort donated to Barack Obama’s …

nypost.com

Oh man is the Post going to freak out when they find out the target of the warrant is also linked to Jeffrey Epstein.

EDIT: Ok read the article - the 'link' to Epstein is this guy represented some of his employees? lol - that's pathetic.

 

[cytg111]

Then do tell; why didn't they place him in jail?

Putin is not convicted of War crimes, therefor he must not have committed war crimes.

Why engage in any type of discussion that is current in nature if the only relevant metrics worth your time is in the past? It doesnt compute man.

 

[fskimospy]

Putin is not convicted of War crimes, therefor he must not have committed war crimes.

Why engage in any type of discussion that is current in nature if the only relevant metrics worth your time is in the past? It doesnt compute man.

I never understand this 'require a court conviction' thing except as an attempt to avoid uncomfortable conversations. It also is a way to avoid realities that we would prefer not to accept. The standard for the state snatching you up and taking away your life or liberty is rightly considerably higher than the standard normal people use when deciding if someone committed a crime or not.

Like... OJ was never convicted of murder but everyone knows he did it. Are we supposed to pretend he didn't just because he was acquitted? Of course not.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Of course you will, because it's all just so questionable. It isn't like he was storing emails on a private server, amirite?

Too bad so many people insist on being unreasonable.

He still refuses to see it; in full denial mode to this day.

most certainly

 

[UNCjigga]

OMG. The post is now attempting to link the GOP appointed Judge that signed the warrant to Epstein. LOL

Judge who OK’d Mar-a-Lago raid Obama donor once linked to Jeffrey Epstein

The Florida federal magistrate judge who signed off on a search warrant authorizing the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort donated to Barack Obama’s …

nypost.com

The scuttlebutt over in right-wing media comments is that any "gotcha" evidence discovered in this raid was planted. Because none of the agents involved were impartial or something like that. They're all out to get Trump, so they wouldn't be above "planting" documents.

 

[fskimospy]

The scuttlebutt over in right-wing media comments is that any "gotcha" evidence discovered in this raid was planted. Because none of the agents involved were impartial or something like that. They're all out to get Trump, so they wouldn't be above "planting" documents.

Man that was really poor judgment by Trump to hand pick someone to direct the FBI who would then turn around and plant evidence on him. Also a bad idea for Trump to have appointed a judge that would approve such a nefarious plot.

 

[Amused]

The Phil G. Qanonsense crowd is applying generous amounts of copium to this...