News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[pcgeek11]

We don't know that at all - remember Trump is well known for destroying documents.

He wasn't even there. He has had these documents for what 18 months. If he were going to destroy documents He has had plenty of time. They could have gotten these documents without all the drama.

I'm not saying they shouldn't get the documents that belong in the archive. I just disagree with the method they used.

 

[soundforbjt]

I don’t see much coming out of this, my reasoning being Rudy was raided a while back if you remember and it turned out to not being the evidence they hoped for and dropped the investigation into whether he didn’t register about foreign something or other.

 

[GoPackGo]

He wasn't even there. He has had these documents for what 18 months. If he were going to destroy documents He has had plenty of time. They could have gotten these documents without all the drama.

I'm not saying they shouldn't get the documents that belong in the archive. I just disagree with the method they used.

He had no business taking those documents at all. He broke the law in January 2021 and should prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[pcgeek11]

Considering we don't know the basis for the warrant I don't know how you could reasonably come to that conclusion.

What conclusion? That he was in New York? Or that they didn't need all that firepower and dramatics?

 

[borosp1]

You cant negotiate with a known liar and a immoral person who doesn't care about the truth. For Trump everything is about him looking like a rose and doesn't care about facts or details or the truth. A person like Trump is not someone the DOJ can have an honest negotiation for documents and expect the 100% honest response.

 

[fskimospy]

What conclusion? That he was in New York? Or that they didn't need all that firepower and dramatics?

That they didn't need to raid this way. Generally that's done when there's a concern about destruction of evidence. Now we all know Trump personally routinely destroyed documents so it's not at all implausible to think he may have directed staff to destroy documents if he had been warned ahead of time.

There's just no way to know without knowing what they were going for and why.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yeah, but you voted for Trump twice, so the logic you use to arrive at your opinions is highly suspect.

And we all know how much I value your opinion.
Thanks for sharing it!

 

[pcgeek11]

Not really. Trump is well known for pulling in violent mobs of armed morons to do his bidding.

Nobody was there except a hand full of employees and the secret service.

How about Roger Stones case?

 

[HomerJS]

He wasn't even there. He has had these documents for what 18 months. If he were going to destroy documents He has had plenty of time. They could have gotten these documents without all the drama.

I'm not saying they shouldn't get the documents that belong in the archive. I just disagree with the method they used.

Story just came out with pictures showing Trump flushed documents down the toilet.

Think that could have increased the urgency?

 

[fskimospy]

Nobody was there except a hand full of employees and the secret service.

How about Roger Stones case?

What sane person would think Roger Stone would not destroy evidence? The FBI would have had to be nuts to not raid him.

 

[IronWing]

Nobody was there except a hand full of employees and the secret service.

How about Roger Stones case?

One text from Trump could have had a armed mob at the house in minutes. Trump's followers are itching for murder.

 

[pcgeek11]

He had no business taking those documents at all. He broke the law in January 2021 and should prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I agree if he broke a law he should be held accountable. I've said this already.

 

[pcgeek11]

You cant negotiate with a known liar and a immoral person who doesn't care about the truth. For Trump everything is about him looking like a rose and doesn't care about facts or details or the truth. A person like Trump is not someone the DOJ can have an honest negotiation for documents and expect the 100% honest response.

Trumps lawyers were doing the negotiating, not Trump from what was reported.

 

[K1052]

The amount of notice people seem to think appropriate when law enforcement conducts a search really seems to vary dramatically with the complexion of the subject, average home price of the neighborhood, and the number of zeros in their net worth. This is not specific to posts here, just a general observation from people complaining online.

Like when a lot of the 1/6 people encountered a jail for the first time and found out it really sucks and is abusive/arbitrary/unfair. Too many people in this country are quite comfortable being on the wielding end of the stick.

 

[pcgeek11]

That they didn't need to raid this way. Generally that's done when there's a concern about destruction of evidence. Now we all know Trump personally routinely destroyed documents so it's not at all implausible to think he may have directed staff to destroy documents if he had been warned ahead of time.

There's just no way to know without knowing what they were going for and why.

Hopefully we will know more in time.

 

[nicalandia]

Sorry, for my bat attempt at humor guys, but I got a few of you riled up. You should know better than that.

 

[pcgeek11]

Story just came out with pictures showing Trump flushed documents down the toilet.

Think that could have increased the urgency?

What this? Looks serious.
It could be anything. A hand written note in a toilet of unknown unproven pedigree... From someone selling a book.

 

[Amused]

Sorry, for my bat attempt at humor guys, but I got a few of you riled up. You should know better than that.

I thought it was funny. Spot on too.

Unfortunately Poe's law applies because we are in fact talking about batshitters.

 

[hal2kilo]

Surely this isn't just an oddly timed coincidence.

This is part of the fake elector investigation, and has nothing to due with this. I can't wait to see the communications with Clarke. Oh yea, they got his phone also. There some whiners that are getting really worried. I wonder why?

“Gestapo tactics”: Greene, Boebert worry after FBI seizes phone of GOP congressman linked to Big Lie | Salon.com

 

[dank69]

I agree if he broke a law he should be held accountable. I've said this already.

"if" haha

 

[Amused]

I agree if he broke a law he should be held accountable. I've said this already.

Then why should he be treated ANY differently than ANY OTHER suspect in a criminal investigation?

 

[Captante]

What conclusion? That he was in New York? Or that they didn't need all that firepower and dramatics?

And if it turns out that some critical classified information was compromised by his actions what then?

If you or I were being served a warrant by the FBI we would most likely find out about it when they kicked in the front door and we would be leaving in cuffs.

Compared to what happens to "regular folks" all the time the Dumpster was treated with kid-gloves.

 

[vi edit]

One could view UBI as a means to cut or undercut targeted welfare programs altogether.

Yeah that was the quiet part of his plan. Just cut all social services and entitlement programs(I hate using that term) and give people a check and say "here you go". It sounds good out loud, but many people are probably receiving far greater benefits than those individual checks provide. Mostly in benefits that are more subtle.

 

[pcgeek11]

Then why should he be treated ANY differently than ANY OTHER suspect in a criminal investigation?

I didn't say that he should be treated differently.

 

[IronWing]

Yeah that was the quiet part of his plan. Just cut all social services and entitlement programs(I hate using that term) and give people a check and say "here you go". It sounds good out loud, but many people are probably receiving far greater benefits than those individual checks provide. Mostly in benefits that are more subtle.

UBI without single payer healthcare is pointless.