Trump just fired Comey!

[interchange]

Trump won't get impeached. He'll resign before the vote.

If articles of impeachment are drafted, I'll take that bet.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump won't get impeached. He'll resign before the vote.

Anything is possible but he's supremely antagonistic and narcissistic. I can easily imaging Trump believing he's the wronged party in spite of his willful actions, and going down fighting to the end. He will almost certainly not face criminal consequences unless something of such great enormity is revealed that Pence cannot pardon him, like outright treason, not the term used here too loosely.

He has nothing to lose since he is right as always and the victim as well. He'll make even greater fortunes for his notoriety and politically established connections. Since he has no sense of shame this will be a win for him no matter what happens, excepting a long jail term.

 

[highland145]

And that's the thing: as right as that seemed at the time, it seems that Obama didn't fire Comey because the optics would have been terrible. LOL--Imgine these Trump-branded dildos like Chiropteran, AnonUser, and brandonbull going APESHIT if blackie had fired Comey at that point. Fucking Apeshit.
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Kind of like now but reversed, right? or...

 

[zinfamous]

Nobody is buying your anti-American, fascist fear mongering Progressive party line crap. There is more evidence against Obama and his admin conspiring with the Russians than there is against Trump. We lived through 8 years of backroom deals and red lines with Russia and Iran during Obama's reign..

Lol. You probably believe this tripe, don't you?



So this is the "I'm not the fascist, you're the fascist!" line? grow the fuck up, putz, and learn to logic.

 

[interchange]

No I don't think we can. And why would we, because Trump said so?

Well, has anyone disputed that claim? I think the highlighting of that claim in his letter of termination is his defense for conflict of interest. It's not a good defense mind you, but it is better than nothing.

 

[emperus]

One thing I'm confused about.

Why did the Deputy AG make the recommendation? Beyond the question of was he tasked to, why would he be the one that was tasked to or why was he the one to take it upon himself to do make the recommendation?

It seems so peculiar, that he was asked to do this. Did he do it because Sessions recused himself? If so, why did Sessions make a final determination in the end.

This whole thing seems like a cluster-f**k, well for those of us who actually chose to use our brain cells.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I love the way both sides are beating their drums and spewing forth their talking points ad nauseum

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If articles of impeachment are drafted, I'll take that bet.

Has he demonstrated behavior which suggests a personality which recognizes a superior opposition, one that he cannot beat down? You may be right, but it is not hard to imagine that he would be unable to master his ego and loss of face by surrendering even if the consequences are plain and dire.

 

[zinfamous]

Kind of like now but reversed, right?

well yeah, exactly. Here's the thing: no one has changed their mind (liberals) about Comey needing to go. If you've been paying attention for the last several months, though--it was nothing but praise from Donny Boy and Beuregard.

But hey ho! suddenly Donny boy is under investigation, and a recused-from-involvement Beuregard suddenly "de-recuses" himself to offer advice and a letter that their own crimes need to be hidden via this firing. Anyone that believes this reasoning about "being mean to Hillary!" is being willfully stupid.

Yes, of course it is about optics. Obama understood this. Trump either doesn't, or simply doesn't care.

 

[Maxima1]

I love the way both sides are beating their drums and spewing forth their talking points ad nauseum

LOL I knew the "both sides" canard would eventually come out.

 

[highland145]

well yeah, exactly. Here's the thing: no one has changed their mind (liberals) about Comey needing to go. If you've been paying attention for the last several months, though--it was nothing but praise from Donny Boy and Beuregard.

But hey ho! suddenly Donny boy is under investigation, and a recused-from-involvement Beuregard suddenly "de-recuses" himself to offer advice and a letter that their own crimes need to be hidden via this firing. Anyone that believes this reasoning about "being mean to Hillary!" is being willfully stupid.

Yes, of course it is about optics. Obama understood this. Trump either doesn't, or simply doesn't care.

You're right. All of the info just vanished. All of it.

And Rosenstein....

 

[zinfamous]

You're right. All of the info just vanished. All of it.

And Rosenstein....

Sure, I think various investigations will continue and, obviously, this strategy didn't work out well for Nixon (of course, Trump has full support in Congress; unlike Nixon). But who is this Orangeman going to appoint to simply wave away the FBI's investigation with a simple declarative?

 

[brycejones]

Sure, I think various investigations will continue and, obviously, this strategy didn't work out well for Nixon (of course, Trump has full support in Congress; unlike Nixon). But who is this Orangeman going to appoint to simply wave away the FBI's investigation with a simple declarative?

Joe Arpaio?

 

[glenn1]

Some points:

• Comey gave Trump plenty of legitimate grounds for termination
  
• I don't believe Comey gave Trump cause, however
  
• Can we take it at face value that Trump himself is not under FBI investigation, but current/former members of Trump's administration & campaign are?
  
• Impeachment is neither a criminal nor civil legal process, thus, for clarification only, direct investigation into Trump or actual criminal or civil liability need not be present to pursue his impeachment if he meets the constitutional standard to be removed; nor does lack of current investigation preclude future investigation
• With Comey's removal, much of the findings of his investigations prior to removal may remain classified and/or privileged and thus never be known to future criminal, civil, or impeachment proceedings
• Activities in this investigation under the next FBI director may also remain classified and/or privileged, and thus the Trump administration has enormous power in not only directing the future investigative actions but obstructing knowledge of those actions or findings from anyone else

Given all that, we need a special prosecutor now, and there needs to be explicit access to all elements of Comey's current investigation.

Good summary and agree with it all. I'm agnostic to whether firing him was a good idea at this time but there's no reason it should impede investigation. Whether it will be allowed for reasons of political party homerism or others is another story.

 

[highland145]

Sure, I think various investigations will continue and, obviously, this strategy didn't work out well for Nixon (of course, Trump has full support in Congress; unlike Nixon). But who is this Orangeman going to appoint to simply wave away the FBI's investigation with a simple declarative?

No one.

 

[interchange]

Yes. You do need to explain it. Because laws as written allow for it, democrats were asking for it, republicans were asking for it, and the AG was suggesting it.

At the time the FBI was investigating Hillary's email server, democrats were all for firing Comey. Why is it okay for the democrats to "fire the person in charge of investigating his administration"?

I predict you will try tell me it's totally different because Obama repaying a favor by covering Clinton's incompetence and corruption would be totally kosher and ethical.

I cannot reconcile your position based on my understanding of the underlying facts. I am not sure on what your understanding of the underlying facts is. I admit that you may have a superior understanding, so if you would like to discuss this further with me, please work with me to establish an agreeable foundation for making our individual arguments.

• Democratic calls for Comey's termination on the basis of his handling of the email investigation into Clinton came before well-established knowledge of ties between Trump associates and Russia and investigation of cooperation to influence the election
• Comey provided Trump with grounds for termination but not cause (this is a sticky wicket, but I offer it to you nonetheless as reasonable arguments to the contrary would make me understand your position although not agree with it)
• Trump's ability to fire Comey and hire a replacement grant him powers to influence future investigations into his administration

 

[Commodus]

Oh hey, turns out that Comey had asked Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein (you know, one of the people primarily involved in firing Comey) for an increase in funding for the Russia investigation just days before.

But I'm sure that's purely a coincidence, and not at all an attempt to stifle an investigation into Rosenstein's bosses right as it ramps up.

 

[HomerJS]

One thing I'm confused about.

Why did the Deputy AG make the recommendation? Beyond the question of was he tasked to, why would he be the one that was tasked to or why was he the one to take it upon himself to do make the recommendation?

It seems so peculiar, that he was asked to do this. Did he do it because Sessions recused himself? If so, why did Sessions make a final determination in the end.

This whole thing seems like a cluster-f**k, well for those of us who actually chose to use our brain cells.

The DAG had only been on the job for a few weeks.

How many of you think that on his own he decided to make his own review of Comey and come up with his own recommendation to give to POTUS?

I have a bridge to sell you. But that is when the Trump admin is claiming. I guess they think we all are stupid like his supporters.

 

[Thebobo]

Oh hey, turns out that Comey had asked Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein (you know, one of the people primarily involved in firing Comey) for an increase in funding for the Russia investigation just days before.

But I'm sure that's purely a coincidence, and not at all an attempt to stifle an investigation into Rosenstein's bosses right as it ramps up.

damn

 

[hal2kilo]

What, you guys didn't want Comey fired? Given how he blew his testimony before Congress and everything else?

Wow, you are just as dumb as Trump. You think we can't see through this charade and are going to take the bait. Wow, just wow.

 

[interchange]

Has he demonstrated behavior which suggests a personality which recognizes a superior opposition, one that he cannot beat down? You may be right, but it is not hard to imagine that he would be unable to master his ego and loss of face by surrendering even if the consequences are plain and dire.

Even if I had evaluated him personally, I couldn't ethically provide a clinical assessment of his personality. Perhaps it's blurry, but I do think I can criticize his actions and point out his inconsistencies, disagree with his policies, and even speculate on future behavior.

Aside from that, I'm not sure which position you are actually taking. I am saying that I would be willing to take an internet forum bet of some sort wherein, should articles of impeachment be drafted, my horse would be on Trump not resigning prior to a vote.

I do not mean to imply that this choice would represent any level of ego function.

 

[hal2kilo]

Exhibit B.

DEMS DO 180 ON COMEY
Schumer, others blast Trump for
firing FBI boss they once ripped

Still hopelessly clueless.

 

[Mai72]

Lol, I have to laugh at the people who believe that Trump did the right thing in firing Comey.

Then again, these are the same who would had voted for Hitler, and they are the ones who believe the Holocaust is fake.

Trump is on his way out. Congress will not allow Trump to take this great country down. If they don't do anything shame on them. And, they should be tried for treason. Along with Trump.

 

[Younigue]

The DAG had only been on the job for a few weeks.

How many of you think that on his own he decided to make his own review of Comey and come up with his own recommendation to give to POTUS?

I have a bridge to sell you. But that is when the Trump admin is claiming. I guess they think we all are stupid like his supporters.

At least they're hoping so... If not they'll use other means to make the smart ones inconsequential to their future endeavours. Shhh... If you listen (with little effort) you can hear Trump's pouting 'Smart People are so Dumb, well, mean... they're so mean but yea so Dumb.'

 

[Moonbeam]

you are so ignorant.

You call him ignorant after he called you ignorant. I personally wonder how to tell who is right. You just know you are and he just knows he is and I suspect you both can't be totally right. I could ask for a third opinion but I suspect that everybody who thinks you're right would say so and everybody who thinks he's right would agree that he is too.

One thing I would throw into the confusion is the fact that Trump, right now is President, and to my mind if what he is doing right now is a criminal coverup, that to my mind would take precedent over what Obama, who is now out of power, might have been guilty of.