Trump just fired Comey!

[interchange]

Some points:

• Comey gave Trump plenty of legitimate grounds for termination
  
• I don't believe Comey gave Trump cause, however
  
• Can we take it at face value that Trump himself is not under FBI investigation, but current/former members of Trump's administration & campaign are?
  
• Impeachment is neither a criminal nor civil legal process, thus, for clarification only, direct investigation into Trump or actual criminal or civil liability need not be present to pursue his impeachment if he meets the constitutional standard to be removed; nor does lack of current investigation preclude future investigation
• With Comey's removal, much of the findings of his investigations prior to removal may remain classified and/or privileged and thus never be known to future criminal, civil, or impeachment proceedings
• Activities in this investigation under the next FBI director may also remain classified and/or privileged, and thus the Trump administration has enormous power in not only directing the future investigative actions but obstructing knowledge of those actions or findings from anyone else

Given all that, we need a special prosecutor now, and there needs to be explicit access to all elements of Comey's current investigation.

 

[Chiropteran]

Are you joking? Does it really need to be explained to you why the president should not fire the person in charge of investigating his administration for collusion with a hostile foreign power?

Yes. You do need to explain it. Because laws as written allow for it, democrats were asking for it, republicans were asking for it, and the AG was suggesting it.

At the time the FBI was investigating Hillary's email server, democrats were all for firing Comey. Why is it okay for the democrats to "fire the person in charge of investigating his administration"?

I predict you will try tell me it's totally different because Obama repaying a favor by covering Clinton's incompetence and corruption would be totally kosher and ethical.

 

[zinfamous]

I thought we are finding out now if the US is a failed state after 8 years of Dictator in Chief.

lol, you're probably serious.

...because you are fucking dumb.

Please, do go on about why you think Obama was "a dictator." I expect you to lean heavily on the hilariously parroted argument of "Executive orders! executive orders!" Yes, this will be cute.

 

[Chiropteran]

lol, you're probably serious.

...because you are fucking dumb.

Please, do go on about why you think Obama was "a dictator." I expect you to lean heavily on the hilariously parroted argument of "Executive orders! executive orders!" Yes, this will be cute.

For once I agree with Zinfamous. Obama clearly wasn't a dictator, he was just a globalist lapdog taking orders from his superiors.

 

[IronWing]

For once I agree with Zinfamous. Obama clearly wasn't a dictator, he was just a globalist lapdog taking orders from his superiors.

That's totally ridic..., oh wait. You're right.

 

[Maxima1]

Yes. You do need to explain it. Because laws as written allow for it, democrats were asking for it, republicans were asking for it, and the AG was suggesting it.

At the time the FBI was investigating Hillary's email server, democrats were all for firing Comey. Why is it okay for the democrats to "fire the person in charge of investigating his administration"?

I predict you will try tell me it's totally different because Obama repaying a favor by covering Clinton's incompetence and corruption would be totally kosher and ethical.

Stop with the false equivalency moron. Trump is under FBI investigation. They want to pick a Trump stooge to cover it up. And they've made it very clear they don't want a special prosecutor either.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

More faux outrage by the left, whipped into a frenzy by their televangelists.

 

[IronWing]

More faux outrage by the left, whipped into a frenzy by their televangelists.

The opening clause of your sentence is contradicted by the closing clause. Also, learn to verb.

 

[zinfamous]

If Trump fired Comey for the reasons stated, then Comey should have been fired along with the rest of the Obama herd on day one of his presidency. IMHO, Obama should have fired Comey for meddling in the election. Firing Comey now isn't a bad thing in itself but it highlights Trump's utter incompetence and reinforces the hypothesis that Trump is a Russian stooge.

And that's the thing: as right as that seemed at the time, it seems that Obama didn't fire Comey because the optics would have been terrible. LOL--Imgine these Trump-branded dildos like Chiropteran, AnonUser, and brandonbull going APESHIT if blackie had fired Comey at that point. Fucking Apeshit.

The utter disdain that Trump and his dingleberries (Chirop, et al) have for truth and the American Republic is laid bare for all to see here. I think they understand that they are being wholly dishonest: they simply do not give a fuck. Trump doesnt' care about optics, he doesn't even care about reason. It is simply inarguable that if the reasoning for this were about Hillary and her emails, and that Trump actually couldn't trust him, then this would have happened back in January. That is a simple, obvious, fact. No honest republican or Trumpian dingleberry (Chiropteran, AnonUser, brandonbull, et al) can deny that simple truth. This is not about Comey. This is about Trump, and to think that any of this fuckstain's decisions or actions going forward will ever be about anything but himself is dangerously naive.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes. You do need to explain it. Because laws as written allow for it, democrats were asking for it, republicans were asking for it, and the AG was suggesting it.

Okay, I'll explain it as simply as possible: if the president fires people who are conducting criminal investigations into his administration this helps him cover up crimes that he or his associates are committing. Presumably you don't like it when presidents commit crimes, so you shouldn't support things that make committing crimes or covering them up easier.

Also, you realize that the AG's suggestion is a transparent lie, right? Sessions praised Comey in the past for the exact actions he mentioned as cause for his dismissal. I mean are you really that easily duped? It's things like this that lead to conservative media and politicians having the total contempt for conservative voters that they do. They know you'll swallow anything they say so they don't even bother to dress up their lies. Doesn't their total contempt for you bother you?

At the time the FBI was investigating Hillary's email server, democrats were all for firing Comey. Why is it okay for the democrats to "fire the person in charge of investigating his administration"?

I predict you will try tell me it's totally different because Obama repaying a favor by covering Clinton's incompetence and corruption would be totally kosher and ethical.

Obama DIDN'T fire Comey for those things, likely precisely for the reason that the president shouldn't fire people who are investigating his administration or a person who might very well head the next administration in a couple of months. I think Comey should have been fired but not until after they closed the Clinton investigation.

It is simply unbelievable to me that your partisanship runs so strong that you think there's no problem with the president firing people investigating him. That's the sort of shit that got Nixon impeached.

 

[Maxima1]

And that's the thing: as right as that seemed at the time, it seems that Obama didn't fire Comey because the optics would have been terrible. LOL--Imgine these Trump-branded dildos like Chiropteran, AnonUser, and brandonbull going APESHIT if blackie had fired Comey at that point. Fucking Apeshit.

The utter disdain that Trump and his dingleberries (Chirop, et al) have for truth and the American Republic is laid bare for all to see here. I think they understand that they are being wholly dishonest: they simply do not give a fuck. Trump doesnt' care about optics, he doesn't even care about reason. It is simply inarguable that if the reasoning for this were about Hillary and her emails, and that Trump actually couldn't trust him, then this would have happened back in January. That is a simple, obvious, fact. No honest republican or Trumpian dingleberry (Chiropteran, AnonUser, brandonbull, et al) can deny that simple truth. This is not about Comey. This is about Trump, and to think that any of this fuckstain's decisions or actions going forward will ever be about anything but himself is dangerously naive.

LOL So true. They would have gone ballistic. McConnell et al. do it because they know their base is quite frankly retarded.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump's attorney general previously praised Comey for the actions that he now says mandated his termination. In short, he's lying.

You know I went to look that up. And after looking at the evidence I do have one bone to pick.

All of the times Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions praised James Comey for Clinton investigation
Rosenstein appears to be going mad dog over Clinton not being in prison. Sessions was previously praising Comey for sabotaging Clinton at the 11th hour of the election. It's at least consistent with them thinking they're not done with Clinton. Basically Trump has surrounded himself with Republicans and they are pushing him to go full partisan GOP and those good old boys still have a bone to pick with Comey for not going far enough last summer.

It's at least plausible as far as motivation is concerned. OTOH, so is the investigative angle.
I want the AG before Congress, under oath, telling us that wasn't on his mind.
And whose idea was it anyway, did Trump order the AG office into doing this?

 

[Younigue]

I know exactly what the difference is, and 99% of the "lies" attributed to Trump are clear cases of misspeaking.

But thanks got claiming to know what I know, Mr guy who doesn't even watch the news yet thinks he knows everything there is to know.

Why does your guy misspeak so regular? So regularly it suggests he is not high functioning enough to lead a country. When someone misspeaks so often they should be seen as a moron. Is this why you support him? You finally have one of your own in office? I didn't know there was such a push or demand for such a thing. Is there another party I know nothing about? So... Republicans, Democrats, Morons.

 

[Thebobo]

Some points:

• Can we take it at face value that Trump himself is not under FBI investigation, but current/former members of Trump's administration & campaign are?

....

No I don't think we can. And why would we, because Trump said so?

 

[fskimospy]

You know I went to look that up. And after looking at the evidence I do have one bone to pick.

All of the times Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions praised James Comey for Clinton investigation
Rosenstein appears to be going mad dog over Clinton not being in prison. Sessions was previously praising Comey for sabotaging Clinton at the 11th hour of the election. It's at least consistent with them thinking they're not done with Clinton. Basically Trump has surrounded himself with Republicans and they are pushing him to go full partisan GOP and those good old boys still have a bone to pick with Comey for not going far enough last summer.

It's at least plausible as far as motivation is concerned. OTOH, so is the investigative angle.
I want the AG before Congress, under oath, telling us that wasn't on his mind.

I mean is your argument that Sessions was lying then and not now?

And whose idea was it anyway, did Trump order the AG office into doing this?

According to the NYT Trump requested the letters from the DOJ. Also, considering that the letters were dated the same day as the firing it is unlikely that Trump received them, deliberated on it, and then changed his mind.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/09/just...p-with-reasons-to-fire-comey-reports-say.html

White House and Justice Department officials "had been working on building a case against [Comey] since at least last week," according to the Times, which cited administration officials. The report said Attorney General Jeff Sessions "had been charged with coming up with reasons to fire him."

 

[Indus]

It is simply unbelievable to me that your partisanship runs so strong that you think there's no problem with the president firing people investigating him. That's the sort of shit that got Nixon impeached.

We don't have a country anymore. Only memories and nostalgia of one.

 

[Puffnstuff]

We don't have a country anymore. Only memories and nostalgia of one.

We need to start a new movement like "Constitutional Rights Matter" which is all inclusive.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What is the surprise to the way the Left is responding to Comey's firing? This is just like the Left's version of free speech. The Left is all for free speech until it's someone not approved by them speaks and then the Lefties all look around at each other asking "What is this free speech thing we keep hearing about?".

The independent here doesn't see this as being contradictory or inappropriate at all. I myself made a comment to someone who had just before cried for Comey to be removed. I'll agree that thinking was foolish but not in itself wrong. While I can understand angst and venting it is required of anyone that consequences should be considered before calling for action. It should have been painful that if Comey were removed then any replacement Trump appoints would be a magnitude of order more detested, and for sure this is a spanner in the works for connections into Russian interference. This is a classic case of "be careful what you wish for because you might get it".

With that said we have a case of a President whose administration is without doubt in trouble with considerable support. Flynn cannot be dismissed in the eyes of the public as an example. So perhaps Comey handled Clinton to the complete dissatisfaction of both Hillarites and Trumpettes, but only a damn fool would do what I just referred to above, not considering consequences. This means that Trump is by far the most foolish President, or he has something to hide. Considering the immense effort to quash and distract, a reasonable apartisan would be led to conclude that there is indeed something wrong in the State of Denmark. For the sake of the Office if not the Administration, investigations must be handled so there is not the slightest hint of impropriety which is certainly not the case. A President, any President, must avoid any action which remotely suggests a coverup. Trump's action is the complete reverse of the above. What has happened is an action which has very reasonably raised the level of concern about Trump being a direct part in wrongdoing. For me the above would have held for Hillary or Obama and I think you know that.

You may say "but this is not proof". No it is not, but it creates sufficient cause for further investigation, that which Trump's action suggests he's tried to impede.

That is good in no universe.

 

[Indus]

We need to start a new movement like "Constitutional Rights Matter" which is all inclusive.

Or just let all 50 states secede and fend for themselves. I don't expect fucktards in Kentucky to agree one bit with libtards in California so why should they be forced to live together?

 

[cbrunny]

Trump won't get impeached. He'll resign before the vote.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It's The Day of the Short Fingers. Comey put so much effort into getting Trump elected, and this is the thanks he gets?! Is Trump mad because Comey failed to also deliver him the popular vote?

The Republicans hold power, undisputed power, for the first time in a long time. I expect most of them are just trying to get as much of their agenda rammed through as quickly as possible before the entire Trump Plaza of cards comes crashing down around them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Exhibit B.

DEMS DO 180 ON COMEY
Schumer, others blast Trump for
firing FBI boss they once ripped

What if Fox News has this right, that its all establishment cultural revulsion? The spin was so well executed in my opinion, it made me pause to consider. I can just imagine how convincing it must be for those who are predisposed to believe it.

What I do believe, however, is that like a slow leak in a dam. there comes a sudden point of rupture, as happened to Joseph McCarthy. It wasn't the legal system who took him down. It was a slow accumulation of fuel that became a firestorm when one man threw a particular match. A hypnotic spell is broken at the snap of fingers.

 

[brandonbull]

And that's the thing: as right as that seemed at the time, it seems that Obama didn't fire Comey because the optics would have been terrible. LOL--Imgine these Trump-branded dildos like Chiropteran, AnonUser, and brandonbull going APESHIT if blackie had fired Comey at that point. Fucking Apeshit.

The utter disdain that Trump and his dingleberries (Chirop, et al) have for truth and the American Republic is laid bare for all to see here. I think they understand that they are being wholly dishonest: they simply do not give a fuck. Trump doesnt' care about optics, he doesn't even care about reason. It is simply inarguable that if the reasoning for this were about Hillary and her emails, and that Trump actually couldn't trust him, then this would have happened back in January. That is a simple, obvious, fact. No honest republican or Trumpian dingleberry (Chiropteran, AnonUser, brandonbull, et al) can deny that simple truth. This is not about Comey. This is about Trump, and to think that any of this fuckstain's decisions or actions going forward will ever be about anything but himself is dangerously naive.

Nobody is buying your anti-American, fascist fear mongering Progressive party line crap. There is more evidence against Obama and his admin conspiring with the Russians than there is against Trump. We lived through 8 years of backroom deals and red lines with Russia and Iran during Obama's reign.

I actually feel sorry that your mental state is not being addressed and you are allowed to constantly insult and belittle the members of this forum. Maybe you could try posting something coherent and not personally attacking people because you appear to lack the facilitates to mentally cope with people having opinions and ideas that are not inline with yours? If your are truly self aware about the world around you, I can only imagine the bleak outlook you have because reality must be quite the weight on your shoulders to carry around. I take no personal offense to your outbursts direct at myself and other posters.

 

[mxnerd]

Trump: You are lucky. I should have fired you on day one.

 

[alien42]

a whole shit-ton of bat shit crazy partisan bullshit

you are so ignorant.