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ivwshane

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Where is jhnnn and raildogg to come in and talk sense to these idiots?

I appreciate everyone's efforts here, I really do, but as you can see, you cannot have a rational discussion with these people. They have left reality long ago.

The war on facts began awhile ago and we are losing.
 
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cytg111

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Where is jhnnn and raildogg to come in and talk sense to these idiots?

I appreciate everyone's efforts here, I really do, but as you can see, you cannot have a rational discussion with these people. They have left reality long ago.

The war on facts began awhile ago and we are losing.

Distance between classes grew to an unsustainable level and suddenly you had a rallyable mass that is usually not part of the voting population.
The rich got too rich and the poor got too poor. I dont see a quick fix for this situation.. year of the dog
 

Meghan54

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So, why do you keep doing just that? Oh, I get it...you're much too much the simpleton, the ignorant fool, to see that you continually lie and then twist yourself to cover the first lie with another, and so on, ad infinitim.


Repeating a lie is still lying.

"derp derp there really was a real dossier made up by some idiots who believed some trump fanfic"

Yes, sure.

This is where it's CNN's job to see if this "real electronic document" is true or not before publishing. It wasn't. CNN reported on fake news. The fact that some idiot created the fake news prior to handing it off to CNN doesn't make it any less fake.
 

brandonbull

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Do you understand English?

He explicitly said "I put it out before the American people, got 306 electoral college votes. I wasn't supposed to get 222. They said there's no way to get 222. 230 is impossible. 270, which you need — that was laughable. We got 306. Because people came out and voted like they have never seen before. So that's how it goes. I guess it was the biggest electoral college win since Ronald Reagan. In other words, the media is trying to attack our administration because they know we are following through on pledges that we made, and they are not happy about it for whatever reason."

1) He only got 304 electoral votes, as certified by Congress
2) It was not the biggest electoral college win since Reagan.

To get 300+ EC votes when everyone was proclaiming it was going to be a landslide for Clinton is a monster win. He never stated he had the largest amount of EC votes since Reagan, but proclaimed it the biggest win since Raygun because it was forecasted as a lock for Clinton. His win represents a radical shift in recent voting trends and ideology. It's nice that you highlighted numbers but that's not what the subject of his point. Do you understand English??? Derrr Derrrr Derrrrr. I'm sure your next rebuttal will be calling me a racist Nazi.

The Patriots winning the Superbowl over the Failcons is a big win. It's not a big win because they scored 34 points, but a big win because it didn't seem like they had a chance to win because of Brady being suspended, ATL having an awesome offense, and an insurmountable lead. Duh, Winning!
 

Meghan54

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To get 300+ EC votes when everyone was proclaiming it was going to be a landslide for Clinton is a monster win. He never stated he had the largest amount of EC votes since Reagan, but proclaimed it the biggest win since Raygun because it was forecasted as a lock for Clinton. His win represents a radical shift in recent voting trends and ideology. It's nice that you highlighted numbers but that's not what the subject of his point. Do you understand English??? Derrr Derrrr Derrrrr. I'm sure your next rebuttal will be calling me a racist Nazi.

The Patriots winning the Superbowl over the Failcons is a big win. It's not a big win because they scored 34 points, but a big win because it didn't seem like they had a chance to win because of Brady being suspended, ATL having an awesome offense, and an insurmountable lead. Duh, Winning!

Damn....that be some impressive spinning there, Rapunzel.
 
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brandonbull

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Damn....that be some impressive spinning there, Rapunzel.

Looking at things in a rational way and understanding not everything is in such a literal manner can be impressive.... I guess. Or we can stumble through life in some spoon fed bubble that prevents us from thinking on our own and "getting" what people are saying. This is example of MSM and their lefty drones switching from grammar Nazis to thought Nazis. More worried about dissecting the smallest details because they are not exact and then getting lost in the weeds because they refuse to move past the trivial crap to focus on the important items.
 
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To get 300+ EC votes when everyone was proclaiming it was going to be a landslide for Clinton is a monster win. He never stated he had the largest amount of EC votes since Reagan, but proclaimed it the biggest win since Raygun because it was forecasted as a lock for Clinton. His win represents a radical shift in recent voting trends and ideology. It's nice that you highlighted numbers but that's not what the subject of his point. Do you understand English??? Derrr Derrrr Derrrrr. I'm sure your next rebuttal will be calling me a racist Nazi.

That's some spin. Again, he explicitly said it was the largest electoral college win since Reagan. That is objectively false.

For a guy who uses the best words, people sure need to explain a lot for what he really meant.
 

jmagg

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On the subject of deception, it bears noting that populism is, was, and always will be just a ruse for kleptocrats to get into power. Trump won't be able to bring those jobs back, but the hope that he might does provide him with the opportunity for significant government control over the economy for his own gain. That is, unless you somehow believe that Trump isn't corrupt.

I don't believe Trump is corrupt per se. I do believe he is a ham handed narcissist, which may be close to the same in his position. That being said, something needed to be done regarding the inequity of our trade deals. I (long before trump) believed that the playing field needed to be leveled with import tax for china goods, and at this point et al. The lack of living wage jobs has caused a condition where for the uneducated, its more lucrative to sit on your ass and collect a govt check with free medical, than to go get two part time jobs (this is where obamacare failed).
The taxable base thins, entitlements grow, and illegal immigration adds to the bill. IMO, people need to work to take care of themselves and or their familys to be content. Unfortunately, for many this is not an realistic option. pie in the sky.

The media don't give a shit eather way, they have theirs. (on topic)
 

pauldun170

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Just in case it wasn't posted
The Trump Media Survey Is Phenomenally Biased. It's Also Useful

The GOP put out a survey Thursday night that's enough to make a social scientist cringe.

It's called the "Mainstream Media Accountability Survey," but this "survey" commits a variety of polling sins.

It contains:

— Leading questions ("Do you believe that the mainstream media does not do their due diligence fact-checking before publishing stories on the Trump administration?"),

— Incomplete poll results disguised as a question ("Were you aware that a poll was released revealing that a majority of Americans actually supported President Trump's temporary restriction executive order?" — while that's true, some polls show that a majority oppose the travel ban), and

— Confusingly worded questions that also — surprise — slam the news media ("Do you believe that contrary to what the media says, raising taxes does not create jobs?").

Not only that, but it was sent out to a self-selecting group (i.e., people on Trump email lists), ensuring a biased response.

The questions are also incomplete — this poll only seems to care about cable TV news outlets, and even then, only three outlets (among those not represented: CNBC, which Trump as a businessman might reasonably have watched a lot in his life, as well as the Christian Broadcasting Network, a news organization represented at Trump media events and to which the president recently granted an interview).

It doesn't ask for demographic information beyond ZIP code, meaning that if analyzed, the "survey" wouldn't be able to be properly weighted.

But that's probably not the point of this.

Team Trump is by no means alone in doing these kinds of flawed political surveys. It's neither the first nor the last we will see. But while the poll is flawed from a scientific perspective, it could still be helpful to Trump's team in a number of ways:

(1) Those biased questions can plant ideas in people's heads. If Jane Doe happens to be a Trump supporter and a Christian, she might not think that she's being particularly hurt by news organizations — until she sees a question like, "Do you believe that people of faith have been unfairly characterized by the media?"

In this way, this survey is a cousin of the "push poll," which is often performed during political campaigns as a way of slinging mud at an opponent under the guise of survey research.

(2) The survey's wording plants ideas in subtler ways. For example, by using the word "movement" repeatedly — "Do you believe that the media has been far too quick to spread false stories about our movement?" — the survey casts the respondents not just as ordinary voters but rather as members of something bigger.

(3) Another possibility: The survey could be testing which ideas resonate with Trump supporters and which don't. If respondents don't think the media have been unfair to people of faith, but they do think (as another question proposes) that "the media uses slurs rather than facts to attack conservative stances on issues like border control, religious liberties, and ObamaCare," that idea might reasonably be more likely to show up in a future ad or a Trump speech.

(4) An additional potential boost from this survey: list-building. True, the survey went out to people who already are (duh) on a Trump email list. But those people could potentially share it with their friends or post it on Facebook or Twitter, giving the Trump team more people to send future email blasts.

And (5) It could give Team Trump more numbers to put out to bolster Trump's case that the news media really are the bogeyman he says they are.

True, it would be citing a bogus poll, but then, that hasn't stopped him before.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/17/51579...phenomenally-biased-it-also-does-its-job-well
 

Meghan54

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The lack of living wage jobs has caused a condition where for the uneducated, its more lucrative to sit on your ass and collect a govt check with free medical, than to go get two part time jobs (this is where obamacare failed).

Please, can you describe how to collect a govt. check, get free medical and sit on your ass, such as describe the sequence of events you need to follow to get this free govt. check and health care? I'm damned interested in finding out where this magical and apparently easily obtainable free govt. money and health care is and how to obtain it...who to see, forms to fill out, etc.

And since you seem so informed, perhaps you'd fill me in.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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To get 300+ EC votes when everyone was proclaiming it was going to be a landslide for Clinton is a monster win. He never stated he had the largest amount of EC votes since Reagan, but proclaimed it the biggest win since Raygun because it was forecasted as a lock for Clinton. His win represents a radical shift in recent voting trends and ideology. It's nice that you highlighted numbers but that's not what the subject of his point. Do you understand English??? Derrr Derrrr Derrrrr. I'm sure your next rebuttal will be calling me a racist Nazi.

The Patriots winning the Superbowl over the Failcons is a big win. It's not a big win because they scored 34 points, but a big win because it didn't seem like they had a chance to win because of Brady being suspended, ATL having an awesome offense, and an insurmountable lead. Duh, Winning!

Actually, none of the respected pundits and pollsters thought Clinton would win in a landslide, even Clinton herself thought it would be a close race.

You are lying or so far in the bubble you have no idea what reality is any more.
 

pauldun170

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