A small delay, a revised order will go out next week.
Do you know how many times Obamacare was amended or delayed before it was finally passed?
IronWing
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ivwshane
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You are comparing a law to an EO? Lol ok
I have no idea what that has to do with the fact that if trump had a good case for his EO he wouldn't have rescinded it.
His base loved it & that's what matters most to Trump. They made it ham handed stupid the first time just to cause conflict, which is attention. Attention is influence. Standard Alt-right methodology.
And they just blinked when eyeball to eyeball with the Ninth Circuit because they know that bullshit won't fly. I'm sure they'll come back with some sort of atrocity in any case, one with more than a snowball's chance in Hell of passing muster.
sandorski
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- Oct 10, 1999
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Aid: Mr President, you promised to stop using all Caps.
President Trump: Ok ok, is that better?
Aid: <sigh> Yes Mr President
Bowfinger
Lifer
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First, you are factually incorrect yet again (or still lying, as you call it). Many of the complaints against Trump have been tested by the legal system, and he's not done well. The most recent example, as Ivwshane points out, is his travel ban which was soundly smacked down by multiple courts. That's far from the only example, however. In your own words, "It really sucks being so wrong all the time, doesn't it?"
Second, the fact you fell on your face with your inept attempt to cite a court ruling does NOT obligate me to require court cases as evidence. That's an absurd non sequitur. Truly dumb. I can see why you let others think for you. That's fine, not everyone is good at critical thinking. I do suggest you find more honest and rational thinkers to lead you, however, because the dregs you follow today are playing you for a fool.
It's funny. You know how many lawsuits were dropped or settled without fault against Trump? Where was this "well they wouldn't have settled/dropped the lawsuit if they had a good case" argument back then?
You don't argue with logic and reason, you are just biased and pathetic.
The fact is rescinding and reintroducing a revised order is cheaper than appealing the rulings. I guess this is another one of those silly anti-Trump things.
What, Trump is saving government money? I HATE SAVING MONEY NOW!
I'm confused. If that is not your only example, where are your other examples?
>Second, the fact you fell on your face with your inept attempt to cite a court ruling does NOT obligate me to require court cases as evidence.
Ah of course. I am very familiar with the double standards. An argument supporting Trump requires legal court ruling. An argument bashing Trump requires an 23 year old's crazy ranting from his parents basement.
>I can see why you let others think for you.
Ultimate irony. Some 20 or so trolls all repeating the same broken-logic arguments against me over and over, virtually identical thinking. Yet I'm the one not thinking on my own. That is funny, if I am just a mindless sheep who am I following?
ivwshane
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Lol! Now you are comparing people with limited budgets suing a billionaire to a government with, essentially, an unlimited budget?
His EO was such a winter he's going to sign another one just like it right? Except this time it will magically be accepted by the courts! Or, he will be re writing his EO because his first one violated current laws or the constitution? Hmm...I wonder what the answer is.
You are seriously one dumb mother fucker!
ivwshane
Lifer
- May 15, 2000
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Trump! You idiot!
Shit! If you fellated trump any more he might make you his next press secretary!
You are clearly brain dead. This might be a shocker to you, but the President is actually part of the government. And yes, his budget is essentially limitless. We could battle it out, government vs government. and waste millions of tax dollars. That sounds like a winning plan to you? Maybe you should donate money on your own, because I certainly don't want my tax dollars going to such obvious waste when there is a cleaner and more efficient solution.
Idiots like you are never happy. If Trump stuck to the original order, you would be whining like a baby about how the appeals process is wasting money. And then you would be crying like a baby when the supreme court finds the order constitutionally sound, and complain of bias among the justices. There is no pleasing you babies.
Funny thing.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/hillary-clinton-fake-news-epidemic/index.html
Where was the outrage in December, when Hillary was directly pushing for censorship to stop "fake news"?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/hillary-clinton-fake-news-epidemic/index.html
Where was the outrage in December, when Hillary was directly pushing for censorship to stop "fake news"?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/
Oh whats this?
CNN doesn't report it because it's pro-Trump.
jackstar7
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This is really the best: https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/832757252712910853
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When I saw that the first time I thought it was a fake. It was actually real, nothing is too bizarre for the Trump propaganda mill.
Our survey is not getting the results we want, help us skew it! Probably he really will cite the results at some point. He's dense enough to try it and knows the drones will actually believe it.
Commodus
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No, they're not reporting on it because it's not good data.
It's a poll of 800 Hispanic people. 800. If you really think the data collected in that small a poll can be directly extrapolated to a population of over 56 million Hispanic people in the US, you clearly failed statistics in school.
Also, the non-profit (Just Facts) cited as 'support' for extrapolating the data? Its primary researcher is best known for a book claiming to have "factual support for the Bible" and is very clearly a social conservative. In other words, everything the group says will have a clear political slant and is of dubious merit. It's junk science meant to serve an agenda.
This is why you don't read hardcore conservative sites like Washington Times, just as you may want to avoid hardcore left-wing sites like DailyKOS. WT is trying to contort the facts to fit a preconceived theory (voter fraud is rampant in the US, because Trump told us so) rather than developing a theory based on evidence that holds up under close scrutiny.
Commodus
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I did RTFA.
Inside the poll is a page devoted to voter profiles. Of the randomly selected sample of 800 Hispanics, 56 percent, or 448, said they were non-citizens, and of those, 13 percent said they were registered to vote. The 448 would presumedly be a mix of illegal immigrants and noncitizens who are in the U.S. legally, such as visa holders or permanent residents.
Just admit that the data is bad and move on.
You are really bad at reading. The article continues:
"
The focus intensified in 2014 when two professors at Old Dominion University and one at George Mason University collaborated to produce perhaps the first data-driven analysis of non-citizen voting, relying on the biennial Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES), headquartered at Harvard University, with polling by YouGov.
Relying on the CCES responses to citizenship questions, ODU team estimated that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in the 2008 election. They presented a range as low as 38,000 and as high at 2.8 million.
The CCES authors at Harvard, Amherst and YouGov reacted with outrage. They said the small number of respondents among a sample of 38,000 people made the answers meaningless. They picked at their numbers, declared them unreliable and concluded that zero noncitizens voted.
Their rebuttal prompted the liberal media to proclaim the ODU study “debunked” even though those professors stick by their work and have filed counter-rebuttals.
The 2013 Hispanic Survey tends to confirm the ODU work and chief defender, professor Jesse Richman. The Hispanic Survey’s 13 percent registration rate is right in line with what the CCES data indicates in multiple elections.
Mr. Agresti said the ODU paper found that in 2008, 2010 and 2012 between 14.5 percent and 15.6 percent of self-declared non-citizen adults were registered to vote.
In other words, the CCES and National Hispanic Survey, done with different sample sizes, align."
"
The focus intensified in 2014 when two professors at Old Dominion University and one at George Mason University collaborated to produce perhaps the first data-driven analysis of non-citizen voting, relying on the biennial Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES), headquartered at Harvard University, with polling by YouGov.
Relying on the CCES responses to citizenship questions, ODU team estimated that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in the 2008 election. They presented a range as low as 38,000 and as high at 2.8 million.
The CCES authors at Harvard, Amherst and YouGov reacted with outrage. They said the small number of respondents among a sample of 38,000 people made the answers meaningless. They picked at their numbers, declared them unreliable and concluded that zero noncitizens voted.
Their rebuttal prompted the liberal media to proclaim the ODU study “debunked” even though those professors stick by their work and have filed counter-rebuttals.
The 2013 Hispanic Survey tends to confirm the ODU work and chief defender, professor Jesse Richman. The Hispanic Survey’s 13 percent registration rate is right in line with what the CCES data indicates in multiple elections.
Mr. Agresti said the ODU paper found that in 2008, 2010 and 2012 between 14.5 percent and 15.6 percent of self-declared non-citizen adults were registered to vote.
In other words, the CCES and National Hispanic Survey, done with different sample sizes, align."
Thump553
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Actually this sort of thing is done all the time-as a step to converting to an autocratic government. Trump's idol, Putin, did it (and still does). So did Hitler, Castro, Mussolini, etc.
MongGrel
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