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zinfamous

zinfamous

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Chiropteran said:
Are you a little slow?

All of what I said were claims CNN made. Of course they can be refuted, because they are utter BS. The media lies. Thank you for confirming.
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you were wooed by an idiot. Perhaps you will overcome this at some point in your life, or just accept that you were easy pickings to be conned.

But, please understand: going through the rest of your life stupid and ignorant is no way to be.
 
MomentsofSanity

MomentsofSanity

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Grooveriding said:
What a lost cause. This is what is eerie about the most indoctrinated Trump supporters. Their logic abilities are gone. His lies are seen as some sort of elaborate trick to try and help people understand his dogma, instead of just appalling lies from a man who is not of sound mind and below average mental abilities.

He really could shoot someone on 5th avenue and they'd hive mind their way to calling madness some sort of elaborate chess move.

No link to the one poll and date it was first reported on. Still believing reporting on the portions of a dossier that were confirmed while specifically not even mentioning the parts that were not and saying those omitted portions are unconfirmed is reporting them. And those things are enough to believe the MSM is fake news and it is more logical to believe what Trump, a habitual lying fool who can't even use English properly, is a better source of facts.

It's year one for these folks.
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Pretty much. I felt bad this morning. Like I had beaten up a mentally challenged individual on the street last night. Now I don't feel so bad.
 
brandonbull

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fskimospy said:
No, his later statements explicitly show that he was referring to the margin of victory and not that it was unexpected. When informed that his statement was incorrect he said this:


It is impossible to reconcile that statement with your attempt at rationalizing it as simply being about its unexpected nature.
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We was talking about the exact final EC vote total. I guess people have a big difference on what defines a big win.
 
Vic

Vic

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Chiropteran said:
Except, it seems that is not what you are doing. You are trusting a select few media sources, which are owned by major clinton campaign supporters, and ignoring any media source that disagrees with the narrative.
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Nonsense. With regards to Trump, my narrative is derived from Trump's own dangerous words and actions. I trust my eyes and my ears.
 
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Brainonska511

Brainonska511

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brandonbull said:
We was talking about the exact final EC vote total. I guess people have a big difference on what defines a big win.
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Do you understand English?

He explicitly said "I put it out before the American people, got 306 electoral college votes. I wasn't supposed to get 222. They said there's no way to get 222. 230 is impossible. 270, which you need — that was laughable. We got 306. Because people came out and voted like they have never seen before. So that's how it goes. I guess it was the biggest electoral college win since Ronald Reagan. In other words, the media is trying to attack our administration because they know we are following through on pledges that we made, and they are not happy about it for whatever reason."

1) He only got 304 electoral votes, as certified by Congress
2) It was not the biggest electoral college win since Reagan.
 
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Vic

Vic

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Hayabusa Rider said:
Fortunately trust isn't an either/or thing and that's not a knock at the media per se but sometimes I disagree with how stories are worded. An example I read recently was that Republicans polled do not believe the Russians hacked the election. If I were given a question phrased that way I'd consider it much the same as some in the Trump poll and I'd be a "denier". The Russians did not hack the election and there is no evidence for that votes were changed. Now if "Did Russians influence the election by hacking the DNC", then the answer is yes. I'm not up for word games.

As far who and what to believe? "Trust but verify" comes to mind.
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I agree. And those are the 3 words that I live by.
 
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Chiropteran

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sandorski said:
...because it didn't, as explained to you already. CNN didn't report anything that was non-Factual.
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Repeating a lie is still lying.

"derp derp there really was a real dossier made up by some idiots who believed some trump fanfic"

Yes, sure.

This is where it's CNN's job to see if this "real electronic document" is true or not before publishing. It wasn't. CNN reported on fake news. The fact that some idiot created the fake news prior to handing it off to CNN doesn't make it any less fake.
 
sandorski

sandorski

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Chiropteran said:
Repeating a lie is still lying.

"derp derp there really was a real dossier made up by some idiots who believed some trump fanfic"

Yes, sure.

This is where it's CNN's job to see if this "real electronic document" is true or not before publishing. It wasn't. CNN reported on fake news. The fact that some idiot created the fake news prior to handing it off to CNN doesn't make it any less fake.
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It existed, what they Reported was accurate and true. Now kindly leave and don't return.
 
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jmagg

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Only that the Dems fell on their own sword, and the media for the most part are feeding half truths to both sides for ratings.
Nearly anyone could have defeated Trump by simply addressing the concerns of the middle class and the working poor.
I'm a Democrat turned Independent for just that reason. Jobs can't be outsourced and at the same time expect the working class to pay for open boarders.
 
Cerpin Taxt

Cerpin Taxt

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The NYT Best Seller list says that there's a book by Niel Gaiman called "Norse Mythology." This means that the New York Times has reported that Norse Mythology is true.
 
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Vic

Vic

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The biggest fallacy that I see Trumpers making is this argument that people are only opposed to Trump and his policies because of the media.
Sorry, Trump & Co, but it is YOU and what YOU are saying that America is opposed to.
The underpinnings of the Trumpism illogic appear to be founded on a single lie, which is that the differences between the right and left sides of the the political spectrum are based on economic philosophies, ie right wing is capitalism and left wing is socialism. This is false. There are right wing socialists (aka fascists) and left wing capitalists (aka anarchists). The actual differences between right and left are based upon the arguments between social hierarchy and social equality, respectively.
Now, with that in mind, the Trumpian deception becomes clearer. Belief in political hierarchy allows that politics be a kind of team sport, and that the 'team' in power has greater rights and privileges (ie 'you lost, get over it'). Rights are now no longer inherent, but bestowed by government ('only American citizens are protected by the Constitution'). And finally, the belief that anyone not for us must be against us, which leads to all the Trumpian conspiracy theories about 'the lying media' and 'the regressive authoritarian left,' which they are using in order to claim that the media and the left does not have the right to speak freely against the government (Trump).
These are interesting times. The people that America has traditionally relied upon to defend the sacred traditions of our Republic (conservatives) have been subverted into tearing them down. The threat to freedom is so great, they have been led to believe, that we can no longer afford to free.
 
Vic

Vic

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jmagg said:
Only that the Dems fell on their own sword, and the media for the most part are feeding half truths to both sides for ratings.
Nearly anyone could have defeated Trump by simply addressing the concerns of the middle class and the working poor.
I'm a Democrat turned Independent for just that reason. Jobs can't be outsourced and at the same time expect the working class to pay for open boarders.
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On the subject of deception, it bears noting that populism is, was, and always will be just a ruse for kleptocrats to get into power. Trump won't be able to bring those jobs back, but the hope that he might does provide him with the opportunity for significant government control over the economy for his own gain. That is, unless you somehow believe that Trump isn't corrupt.
 
Vic

Vic

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piasabird said:
Maybe he plans on pulling the FCC Licenses of some broadcasting companies.
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And if he does that on the basis of the political opinions that those companies are broadcasting, then he will lose in court.
Although this just brings up another danger of Trumpism, which is his disdain for the rule of law. The highest law of the land guarantees a free press, but Trumpers have no qualms with disregarding that provided that it only silences opinions other than their own, and Trump himself will attack as 'political' any court that rules to protect our laws.
 
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VRAMdemon

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The media are basically chroniclers of change. Change is rarely good news for conservatives. After a while, they blame the messengers. You can shut down the MSM completely and change will keep happening nonetheless.
 
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