Trump is running a survey on the media!

[fskimospy]

I loved how he posted the pyramid of argument, complained that no one had refuted Trump's statements (a lie) and then furiously refused to provide evidence to refute anyone else's statements and resorted to exactly the sort of name calling he said was so bad.

If this guy isn't a parody poster designed to make fun of conservatives... Jesus.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I loved how he posted the pyramid of argument, complained that no one had refuted Trump's statements (a lie) and then furiously refused to provide evidence to refute anyone else's statements and resorted to exactly the sort of name calling he said was so bad.

If this guy isn't a parody poster designed to make fun of conservatives... Jesus.

Not enough coffee here. What? I missed something.

 

[fskimospy]

Not enough coffee here. What? I missed something.

Oh, referring to Chiropteran's meltdown.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ahh, thanks.

Oh that pyramid? Why do people even bother to use that. Any hierarchy depends on the context and purpose of any statement.

If I wish to construct a serious argument in a formal way then it is a useful guideline. In common discussion where many considerations play out at various levels then it can be inappropriate. If I'm just trying to piss someone off or take The Stance of Dominance, then it's silly to mention it at all in any serious way. It is however a good tool to spin.

 

[greatnoob]

List of Trump cum urine guzzlers who have been self-owned lately (mostly them parroting Trump's lies backfiring on them):

@imported_tajmahal
@Doc Savage Fan
@Chiropteran

Any more we can add?

 

[snarfbot]

how do george soros testicles feel tho? soft?

 

[interchange]

There is a simple solution to much of this thread: https://forums.anandtech.com/members/chiropteran.122260/ignore

As for the actual topic, there is some irony in @Chiropteran 's critique of CNN for reporting on polling data here:

The polls that showed Hillary with a 98% chance of winning were totally legit?

(Sure, maybe it was just an honest mistake and not a malicious fake poll to pressure Trump voters to just stay home (not). Even in that fantasy case, why would you EVER trust anything else reported by that source, when they can get the polls so horribly wrong?)

Of course there is an enormous selection bias in Trump's poll which will invalidate its results entirely. Unfortunately, though, Trump has more power than CNN.

Perhaps someone should see how susceptible this poll is to being tampered with. It would be for the good of the country.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There is a simple solution to much of this thread: https://forums.anandtech.com/members/chiropteran.122260/ignore

As for the actual topic, there is some irony in @Chiropteran 's critique of CNN for reporting on polling data here:



Of course there is an enormous selection bias in Trump's poll which will invalidate its results entirely. Unfortunately, though, Trump has more power than CNN.

Perhaps someone should see how susceptible this poll is to being tampered with. It would be for the good of the country.

My perspective is that one can dispense knowledge far easier than understanding. When properly put to use informed understanding is a working definition of wisdom. That is very hard to instill in others. Well, that's my opinion at least.

 

[cytg111]

Donate to DJT to fight the media? Is this real?

 

[HomerJS]

Wait, you guys seriously think that the MSM isn't lying at all?

Pissgate is real?

Hillary won as projected?

The election is simultaneously impossible rig (when Trump suggested it was rigged) & rigged by the Russians?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1DogcPmU

Piediepie is a Nazi because he pointed at something off-screen?

The mainstream media lies. This has been observed. The fact can not be refuted.

Media never claimed pissgate was confirmed. It was a single unconfirmed source in intel community.

Media never said Hillary won after election. It was predicted she would win.

Media never said Russia "rigged" the election. They said Russia influenced it which is true.

I don't know about the Nazi thing.

Ironically you are lying trying to prove media is lying about Trump. I can't recall one MSM lie about Trump.

Meanwhile check out my Trump bullshit thread up to version 20 with flat out lies by Emperor Trump

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

List of Trump cum urine guzzlers who have been self-owned lately (mostly them parroting Trump's lies backfiring on them):

@imported_tajmahal
@Doc Savage Fan
@Chiropteran

Any more we can add?

Derp.

 

[brandonbull]

I won the popular vote. 3 million illegal votes were cast for Hillary.
My inauguration crowd was huge, bigger than Obama's. 1.5 million!
Murder rate at its highest point in 45-47 years. Biggest electoral vote win since Reagan.

Just a very, very tiny amount of a bigly selection of Trump fables.

Your functions to discern who is and is not a consummate liar are failing you. But there is a prize even for this failing. I award you this chalice, think of it as a holy grail, may you carry Trump's nuts well with it.

Some of the election stuff is nonsense, but to be fair the murder rate has increased the most in the last 40+years. Did you listen to the context of what Trump said about his EC victory? Basically everyone said he had no chance to even think of getting 270 and he walks away with 300+. Huge win bigly time. He didn't say he had the largest numerical win since Reagan.

I think everyone should know by now that Trump doesn't speak in strict absolute terms where everything he says is to be taken literally. Does he have a history of going overboard? Yes. Does he seem to be wrong on stuff. Yes. I think directionally speaking the guy is trying address and communicate the issues in the US that are in need of serious attention. I'm glad to see that life is so great that we can make breaking news that the President said the murder rate is the highest in X years and he should have said highest murder rate increase in X years. In everyone efforts to fact check everything, did we not learn something disturbing about murders in the US? Sometimes it is almost as he is saying vague stuff in order "to lead the horse to water" but the horse doesn't want to drink because their candidate didn't win. People are so pissed and have been calling him illegitimate since the election, and we wonder why we get this nonsense election and inauguration facts all the time. For better or worse, Trump won and Clinton didn't. I guess we have a few choices as a nation and as a people to make on how we want the future to be. The trend of letting everyone be assigned some label and then given a certain amount of butthurt and then be assigned a level of hate against the other labeled groups is not going to be a sustainable model.

 

[IronWing]

^ Stream of bullshit rationalization for Trump's lies. Trump lies a lot, deal with it.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Some of the election stuff is nonsense, but to be fair the murder rate has increased the most in the last 40+years. Did you listen to the context of what Trump said about his EC victory? Basically everyone said he had no chance to even think of getting 270 and he walks away with 300+. Huge win bigly time. He didn't say he had the largest numerical win since Reagan.

This doesn't make sense on a rational level. He keeps specifically reference the EC. Not just saying my win was unexpected. Why would he keep specifically bringing up the EC totals if that's not what he is referring to? I get what you are trying to argue but his actual words don't back that up. When challenged he didn't clarify in the context you state. He said that he won by a big margin. That's arguing the numbers

I just can't reconcile what you are trying to argue with his repeated statements on the subject over the last 2 months. He mentioned margin of victory.

 

[Vic]

Given the choice between trusting the media and trusting the government, I'm going to trust the media. That seems obvious enough.
What has Trump done to America's party of small government that they now believe that every problem requires a government solution?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Given the choice between trusting the media and trusting the government, I'm going to trust the media. That seems obvious enough.
What has Trump done to America's party of small government that they now believe that every problem requires a government solution?

Fortunately trust isn't an either/or thing and that's not a knock at the media per se but sometimes I disagree with how stories are worded. An example I read recently was that Republicans polled do not believe the Russians hacked the election. If I were given a question phrased that way I'd consider it much the same as some in the Trump poll and I'd be a "denier". The Russians did not hack the election and there is no evidence for that votes were changed. Now if "Did Russians influence the election by hacking the DNC", then the answer is yes. I'm not up for word games.

As far who and what to believe? "Trust but verify" comes to mind.

 

[Meghan54]

Some of the election stuff is nonsense, but to be fair the murder rate has increased the most in the last 40+years. Did you listen to the context of what Trump said about his EC victory? Basically everyone said he had no chance to even think of getting 270 and he walks away with 300+. Huge win bigly time. He didn't say he had the largest numerical win since Reagan.

Actually, that's exactly what Trump said, if you'd bothered to read further into his comments.

"We got 306 because people came out and voted like they've never seen before so that's the way it goes," Trump said. "I guess it was the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan," Trump said.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...rong-at-news-conference/ar-AAn1KPZ?li=BBnbcA1

 

[Chiropteran]

Given the choice between trusting the media and trusting the government, I'm going to trust the media. That seems obvious enough.
What has Trump done to America's party of small government that they now believe that every problem requires a government solution?

Except, it seems that is not what you are doing. You are trusting a select few media sources, which are owned by major clinton campaign supporters, and ignoring any media source that disagrees with the narrative.

 

[Chiropteran]

I loved how he posted the pyramid of argument, complained that no one had refuted Trump's statements (a lie) and then furiously refused to provide evidence to refute anyone else's statements and resorted to exactly the sort of name calling he said was so bad.

If this guy isn't a parody poster designed to make fun of conservatives... Jesus.

Grade A idiot here. You don't need to refute baseless claims. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you are claiming Trump lied about 3 million illegal voters, then you need to prove that claim. It's not my job to disprove wild accusations made without any merit.

 

[sdifox]

Except, it seems that is not what you are doing. You are trusting a select few media sources, which are owned by major clinton campaign supporters, and ignoring any media source that disagrees with the narrative.

Wait, I thought you are on self imposed exile?

 

[Chiropteran]

Ahem.

One of the officials stressed to CNN they have not corroborated "the more salacious things" alleged in the dossier.

CNN has not reported any of the salacious allegations.

Jesus, you are really inept at comprehending plain English. I have stressed repeatedly that I am not claiming CNN made a specific claim of any particular indevidual aspect of pissgate, simply that they reported on it at all.

Look, there are two potential scenarios here:

1- CNN thinks pissgate is real, and as such is reporting on it without refuting any part of it, even the things that can be easily casually disproved thanks to written records. Making CNN the most inept news organization behind buzzfeed.

2- CNN knew that pissgate was false, and as such decided to report on it ANYWAY as if it is true and verified. Making CNN the most blatantly corrupt news organization around.

 

[Chiropteran]

Wait, I thought you are on self imposed exile?

Oh, you think CNN didn't report on pissgate even though I linked to the story? You really are stupid.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Grade A idiot here. You don't need to refute baseless claims. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you are claiming Trump lied about 3 million illegal voters, then you need to prove that claim. It's not my job to disprove wild accusations made without any merit.

Wait. So you just said the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Trump claimed 3 million illegals voted but others have to disprove it?

 

[Brainonska511]

Grade A idiot here. You don't need to refute baseless claims. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you are claiming Trump lied about 3 million illegal voters, then you need to prove that claim. It's not my job to disprove wild accusations made without any merit.

Haha, moron.

Trump is the one making the claim of 3 million illegal votes. He is the one that has to prove his claim.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Jesus, you are really inept at comprehending plain English. I have stressed repeatedly that I am not claiming CNN made a specific claim of any particular indevidual aspect of pissgate, simply that they reported on it at all.

Look, there are two potential scenarios here:

1- CNN thinks pissgate is real, and as such is reporting on it without refuting any part of it, even the things that can be easily casually disproved thanks to written records. Making CNN the most inept news organization behind buzzfeed.

2- CNN knew that pissgate was false, and as such decided to report on it ANYWAY as if it is true and verified. Making CNN the most blatantly corrupt news organization around.

They never fucking reported it. Nothing you linked is them reporting it. Everyone in this thread has told you that. And yet you are still here arguing the same nonsense.

You are what is wrong with the current political discourse.