Trump Calls Storm Response in Puerto Rico, Where 3,000 Died, ‘One of the Best’

[Hayabusa Rider]

FEMA director, who is also under investigation, went on TV today and tried to say that indirect deaths resulting from Maria in PR are materially different from direct deaths (wind, flooding, etc) and implied that counting them is somehow suspect.

Seems to be taking a page from the Scott Pruitt manual of political survival by excessively praising Trump every chance he gets.

He's obviously desperate. I know the game he's playing and it's dishonest.

A hundred years ago we had the Flu Pandemic in which millions died. Did they die of the flu? Well... maybe? Here's the thing, death certificates generally show the immediate cause of death, not the causative factors. So people don't die of flu, they die of pneumonia. No one dies of diabetes, not one person ever. They die from heart disease, kidney failure, etc.

That's what this guy is playing at. Effectively "well the storm didn't kill these people but look at domestic abuse!" No, we don't do that although we may not it. Certainly many died of pneumonia and other diseases due to poor sanitation because that always happens in these situations and are proper to attribute to the hurricane. Ask a coroner what the official cause of death is and he'll say pneumonia but if he sees a medical record he'll say "Looks like flu killed the poor bastard". Neither statement is incorrect in context but he won't lie like what's his nuts.

 

[fskimospy]

He's obviously desperate. I know the game he's playing and it's dishonest.

A hundred years ago we had the Flu Pandemic in which millions died. Did they die of the flu? Well... maybe? Here's the thing, death certificates generally show the immediate cause of death, not the causative factors. So people don't die of flu, they die of pneumonia. No one dies of diabetes, not one person ever. They die from heart disease, kidney failure, etc.

That's what this guy is playing at. Effectively "well the storm didn't kill these people but look at domestic abuse!" No, we don't do that although we may not it. Certainly many died of pneumonia and other diseases due to poor sanitation because that always happens in these situations and are proper to attribute to the hurricane. Ask a coroner what the official cause of death is and he'll say pneumonia but if he sees a medical record he'll say "Looks like flu killed the poor bastard". Neither statement is incorrect in context but he won't lie like what's his nuts.

Also this is simply not how we or anyone else counts deaths from hurricanes. The Katrina death toll for example, is both people killed by the storm itself and by conditions directly attributable to the storm.

So basically they are just trying to make up a new way to count hurricane deaths to cover up their catastrophic failure. The FEMA director surely knows this and he should be ashamed of himself.

 

[Jhhnn]

The FEMA director is being forced to bend the knee or take the chop-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e98375af4832

 

[Muse]

Also this is simply not how we or anyone else counts deaths from hurricanes. The Katrina death toll for example, is both people killed by the storm itself and by conditions directly attributable to the storm.

So basically they are just trying to make up a new way to count hurricane deaths to cover up their catastrophic failure. The FEMA director surely knows this and he should be ashamed of himself.

What I saw or read was that they take the average recent year without a catastrophic hurricane, the death toll from it, say Deaths_average and subtract that from the Deaths_Hurricane_Maria_Year, and that's the number of deaths caused by that hurricane and the difference was something like 3000. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[Viper1j]

Hey don't forget about all that ocean! It's a lot of ocean!

I mean yeah we have the largest navy in the world, a coast guard, more airborne assets than anyone, the ability to attack anywhere on the globe in under 4hrs if suitably motivated, and agencies who already improved on the failures of Katrina under Obama - but hey! It's an island. Surrounded by ocean. A lot of ocean. Think about it.

Dipshit's comments are as biting as his indifference to PR suffering. That's some Dubya-like strategery right there. You think because they're not a state you don't have to worry? You know what Puerto Ricans get when they flee to the mainland? The right to vote. But I'm sure they'll be over this whole hurricane thing by 2020, right?

But you're forgetting that the ocean is tremendously wet.

 

[esquared]

FEMA director, who is also under investigation, went on TV today and tried to say that indirect deaths resulting from Maria in PR are materially different from direct deaths (wind, flooding, etc) and implied that counting them is somehow suspect.

Seems to be taking a page from the Scott Pruitt manual of political survival by excessively praising Trump every chance he gets.

Not only that......................

FEMA administrator defends President Trump's comments about Puerto Rico death toll, says 'spousal abuse goes through the roof' in aftermath of storms
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fem...trumps-comments-puerto-rico/story?id=57861248

Holy shit can we possibly be any more obtuse?
So, many, many men, beat the wives to death and that added to the 6-18 deaths to help get that 3K death toll?

Unbelievable.
Another cheeto ass-kisser just trying to hold onto his job while under investigation.

 

[Viper1j]

Not only that......................

FEMA administrator defends President Trump's comments about Puerto Rico death toll, says 'spousal abuse goes through the roof' in aftermath of storms
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fem...trumps-comments-puerto-rico/story?id=57861248

Holy shit can we possibly be any more obtuse?
So, many, many men, beat the wives to death and that added to the 6-18 deaths to help get that 3K death toll?

Unbelievable.
Another cheeto ass-kisser just trying to hold onto his job while under investigation.

And as Trevor pointed out regarding Donny, "nobody really died on the Titanic when it went down, because everyone was in the ocean..."

I wonder what time the White House nurse hands out the morning meds.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I wonder what time the White House nurse hands out the morning meds.

More importantly, does she do it while playing Comfortably Numb?

 

[Bitek]

Not only that......................

FEMA administrator defends President Trump's comments about Puerto Rico death toll, says 'spousal abuse goes through the roof' in aftermath of storms
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fem...trumps-comments-puerto-rico/story?id=57861248

Holy shit can we possibly be any more obtuse?
So, many, many men, beat the wives to death and that added to the 6-18 deaths to help get that 3K death toll?

Unbelievable.
Another cheeto ass-kisser just trying to hold onto his job while under investigation.

OMG. First they say their deaths do not count the same, then they say what deaths did occur was because they are a bunch of wife beaters.

Jesus F

 

[Muse]

The FEMA director is being forced to bend the knee or take the chop-

Yeah, Trump's m.o. is my way or

OMG. First they say their deaths do not count the same, then they say what deaths did occur was because they are a bunch of wife beaters.

Jesus F

Job description:

1. Defend the boss
2. ....

 

[soundforbjt]

Yeah, Trump's m.o. is my way or
Job description:

1. Defend the boss
2. ....

2. Praise the boss

 

[Jaskalas]

3: Bend the knee and open mouth.

Shame on Trump, shame on the FEMA director, and shame on the American people for putting them there.

BTW, where's the clip of Hannity saying 3000 isn't 3000? You know there'll be one.

 

[Stokely]

The big right-wing talking point (at least going by comments on a facebook post made by a friend) is that corruption in PR is what we should be focusing on...that giant shipments of food and supplies were wasted or taken by corrupt officials and not distributed.

There seems to be some truth to that, PR should shoulder some of the blame. How much? It should be discovered, but I doubt it's all on them or all on the US government. IF thousands of US citizens died then there needs to be a reckoning, though how about let's help the people that STILL don't have power after a year.

No matter what, the fucking President should not be on twitter saying what he is. If there's a plus side to it, even the GOP thinks he's gone too far; more intra-fighting in that party can only be a good thing.

 

[zinfamous]

He's obviously desperate. I know the game he's playing and it's dishonest.

A hundred years ago we had the Flu Pandemic in which millions died. Did they die of the flu? Well... maybe? Here's the thing, death certificates generally show the immediate cause of death, not the causative factors. So people don't die of flu, they die of pneumonia. No one dies of diabetes, not one person ever. They die from heart disease, kidney failure, etc.

That's what this guy is playing at. Effectively "well the storm didn't kill these people but look at domestic abuse!" No, we don't do that although we may not it. Certainly many died of pneumonia and other diseases due to poor sanitation because that always happens in these situations and are proper to attribute to the hurricane. Ask a coroner what the official cause of death is and he'll say pneumonia but if he sees a medical record he'll say "Looks like flu killed the poor bastard". Neither statement is incorrect in context but he won't lie like what's his nuts.

It's the same reason that HIV/AIDs really isn't and never was "all that bad." All those people died of pneumonia or TB!

I'd love to see Trump trot that one out.

 

[Muse]

It's the same reason that HIV/AIDs really isn't and never was "all that bad." All those people died of pneumonia or TB!

I'd love to see Trump trot that one out.

That's post # 90,000 for you. Congrats.

Here's a song that's obviously about Trump off new album from Lexington, KY group Zoe Speaks, song title "There's a Hole Where Your Soul's Supposed to Be":

 

[Jhhnn]

3: Bend the knee and open mouth.

Shame on Trump, shame on the FEMA director, and shame on the American people for putting them there.

BTW, where's the clip of Hannity saying 3000 isn't 3000? You know there'll be one.

I think the guy is just trying to survive out of loyalty to FEMA & dedication to the job. He's apparently quite good at it & a lot of the talent pool has fled to be replaced thru political patronage. Their core mission of disaster relief is hampered by being part of the security apparatus of DHS.

 

[Muse]

2. Praise the boss

That is one thing I can't do. What is it with that guy? Everything he does offends me, absolutely everything. I don't want to see him, hear him or read his tweets.

 

[zerocool84]

Weren't there investigations or hearings after Katrina to figure out what the hell went wrong? Why they screwed it up so bad? A year later and no investigations on why so many people died.

 

[ivwshane]

Weren't there investigations or hearings after Katrina to figure out what the hell went wrong? Why they screwed it up so bad? A year later and no investigations on why so many people died.

Yep.

https://www.npr.org/documents/2006/feb/katrina/house_report/katrina_report_full.pdf

 

[OutHouse]

guess the 22K pallets of water giving by FEMA and not distributed by PR government killed 3000 people. hey its trumps fault.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...r-left-untouched-in-storm-ravaged-puerto-rico

 

[ivwshane]

guess the 22K pallets of water giving by FEMA and not distributed by PR government killed 3000 people. hey its trumps fault.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...r-left-untouched-in-storm-ravaged-puerto-rico

You must suck at life.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/09...tled-water-sitting-puerto-rico-landing-strip/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-in-puerto-rico-after-hurricane-idUSKCN1LT0A4

 

[brycejones]

guess the 22K pallets of water giving by FEMA and not distributed by PR government killed 3000 people. hey its trumps fault.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...r-left-untouched-in-storm-ravaged-puerto-rico

Beat the heck out that straw person. Plus FEMA kinda of neglected to release it to be distributed.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Easy guys, standard short term memory loss.

 

[Victorian Gray]

guess the 22K pallets of water giving by FEMA and not distributed by PR government killed 3000 people. hey its trumps fault.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...r-left-untouched-in-storm-ravaged-puerto-rico

Damn that's pathetic. You need to take some lessons at shining shoes.

"More than 10 million bottles of water left to rot on a Puerto Rican airport tarmac were deemed “excess” supplies that federal officials decided the island didn’t need while recovering from Hurricane Maria, FEMA said on Thursday.


The agency said the close to 20,000 pallets of drinking water that could contain as many as 12 million bottles were considered extra in February.

“We had provided [water] to every volunteer agency that had a warehouse, every entity… a lot of municipalities had excess water,” said Justo Hernandez, operational coordination division director for FEMA, in a conference call with reporters Thursday.

The agency said it also stopped distributing water at that time because “commerce was coming back” to Puerto Rico and officials “didn’t want to injure the economy more than it already was.”

But in late April, the local Puerto Rican General Services Administration requested the water bottles from FEMA and began giving them out in May. The local agency handed out about 700 pallets before receiving two complaints that the water smelled and tasted foul."

https://nypost.com/2018/09/13/milli...eft-in-puerto-rico-were-excess-supplies-fema/

 

[darkswordsman17]

guess the 22K pallets of water giving by FEMA and not distributed by PR government killed 3000 people. hey its trumps fault.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...r-left-untouched-in-storm-ravaged-puerto-rico

Guess you should know what the fuck you're talking about? No one's blaming Turmp for that (you consistently spouting shit while you don't know what you're talking about), its all on you.