Trump Attacks McCain for POW History

[Moonbeam]

Very few pilots that were shot down and not picked up by SAR, were able to escape capture

Then I guess Trump would have liked those few better. You know how Republicans are about winners. They imagine themselves to be the winning class. They worship it. McCain is already disliked by many conservatives because he has a real and palpable revulsion and deep moral understanding of the evil of torture and opposed the CIA's use of it. Weakness, I guess.

 

[Conroe]

I had the misfortune of having to deal with the VA in the last years of my WWII veteran father in laws life. Trump is right, there are no real heroes in Washington. It's a mess. People that deserve pink slips get bonuses and our vets get screwed.

 

[OutHouse]

Getting shot down because you're a crappy pilot and then surrendering to the enemy isn't heroic

surrendering to the enemy? wtf you are you a moron or just so blinded by hate because he is a republican that you cant resist being a moron?

McCain broke both arms and his knee when he ejected. landed in a lake and was hauled out by the Cong. when he got on shore he was stabbed in the foot and gut then tortured for years until he broke.

fuck you the man is a hero.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Let's face it, a significant part of the Republican base is white and xenophobic. Trump has established serious bona fides with those voters due to his anti-Mexico ranting. Those voters don't give two shits about McCain, they think he lost because he wasn't conservative enough and if his image takes a pounding, well so what? What todays "Republicans" adore is cocksureness, the ability to be wrong at the top of your lungs. Trump has it in spades. I just can't see the base deserting a True Believer for the sake of McCain.

The 21st century GOP has made rabble-rousing, rather than responsible adult policymaking, its core principle. This is the result.

Hey... You can't spend 30 years dry-humping the crazy and then act surprised when the crazy wants to fuck.

 

[Subyman]

Trump is refreshingly honest, He attacked McCain on a totally different issue, immigration and the other person attacked Trump for attacking a war hero. to which Trump, in an equally asshole manner tore that defense of McCain apart by truthfully pointing out that war hero or not, McCain was wrong and hurtful in his immigration policies and added the shit about the fact he was caught. It is way way past time when we worship the political opinions of folk who have achieved remarkable qualities in a totally unrelated field, as if that made them sacred cows immune to criticism. I happen to prefer McCain on the immigration issue, but I sure don't do so because he IS a war hero, one who became one by how he acted as a prisoner of war, if the stories about him I have heard are correct.

And whether McCain got caught because he was a Bozo or because of inevitability, he surely got caught because he was fighting for the USA. Nobody will ever know why it happened as it did nor does it really matter.

That is not the issue though. Saying his war hero status is irrelevant to his position is one thing, but attacking his status as a war hero (he refused to be released from captivity ffs) isn't "being honest" its an attack on his person instead of his positions. Attacking whether a veteran deserves his purple heart, Navy commendation, bronze star, and silver star is completely beside the point and is unbecoming of a president.

And ummm, draft dodger, ummm. :biggrin:

 

[Chaotic0ne]

Balls to talk about what? Immigration has been beat to death over and over.

None of the other candidates are offering better solutions on immigration. Even though Trump's still falls short, its bringing up solutions like building a wall, and increasing border security. And sending the National Guard to the border. If tackling the illegal immigration problem doesn't involve locking down the border, denying them government benefits and slamming employers who hire them with STEEP fines then they can't be serious about a solution. Another problem is our ID system in the USA is too easy forge. Some of the illegals have forged IDs while stealing a SS #, or using a dead persons. There needs to be a better system in place. These are things that can be prevented.

Attacking an opponent's status as a "hero" because he was captured and tortured isn't discussing something that others don't have the balls to talk about, its being a complete ass hole. Trump is delusional to think he has a lot of support, enough to get to the white house. He's a side show and nothing more. I respect him as much as Gary Busey, they both spit out anything that comes to mind.

A lot of people don't like John McCain, even in the Republican Party. Some people call him a RINO - Republican in name only. So this isn't nearly as damaging to Trump as the media claims. Do you honestly think the average joe on the street really gives a damn about what Trump says about John McCain? That's not gonna make or break his campaign.

 

[Zor Prime]

surrendering to the enemy? wtf you are you a moron or just so blinded by hate because he is a republican that you cant resist being a moron?

McCain broke both arms and his knee when he ejected. landed in a lake and was hauled out by the Cong. when he got on shore he was stabbed in the foot and gut then tortured for years until he broke.

fuck you the man is a hero.

Misfortune yes, hero no.

You want to give him an award for participation. He didn't do anything heroic.

Getting maimed doesn't make you a hero just because of so. PeeWee Herman could have been subjected to the same stuff as McCain. Find another word.

Maybe you're so adverse to the thought that being subjected to years of torture can't possibly bear fruit in any other way than you're automatically a hero. Here's a news flash, sometimes life sucks and you die without a thing to hang your hat on.

 

[Chaotic0ne]

surrendering to the enemy? wtf you are you a moron or just so blinded by hate because he is a republican that you cant resist being a moron?

McCain broke both arms and his knee when he ejected. landed in a lake and was hauled out by the Cong. when he got on shore he was stabbed in the foot and gut then tortured for years until he broke.

fuck you the man is a hero.

McCain is a dirtbag, and a traitor as far as I'm concerned. He's sold this country out during his political career on multiple occasions, and has frequently signed bills that are destroying this country.

What I suggest you do - Outhouse (quite a fitting name, because it represents your post history.) is pull your head out of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck's crotch and lay off the Faux News. Neocons like you are in no position to insult anyone's intelligence.

If there is one thing that annoys me more than Liberals its these neocon reactionaries who are so stupid, they're inadvertently supporting policies, and candidates that are ripping this country apart. The difference between them and Liberals, is the Liberals know EXACTLY what they're doing.

TL;DR - neocons are troglodytes.

 

[fskimospy]

Misfortune yes, hero no.

You want to give him an award for participation. He didn't do anything heroic.

Getting maimed doesn't make you a hero just because of so. PeeWee Herman could have been subjected to the same stuff as McCain. Find another word.

Maybe you're so adverse to the thought that being subjected to years of torture can't possibly bear fruit in any other way than you're automatically a hero. Here's a news flash, sometimes life sucks and you die without a thing to hang your hat on.

McCain was given an opportunity to be released early but he refused to take it because he didn't want to give the Vietnamese a propaganda victory, thus subjecting himself to years of torture.

I think McCain has done a ton of shitty things since launching his political career and has shown himself to be a petty, spiteful, and shortsighted individual on a number of occasions. None of that changes the enormous sacrifices he made while a POW, voluntarily, that were far in excess of what most people gave up. The man is absolutely, unequivocally, a goddamn war hero.

Until PeeWee Herman is given an opportunity to be released and turns it down to go face some more torture, speak about that experience with a little more respect, no?

 

[Moonbeam]

That is not the issue though. Saying his war hero status is irrelevant to his position is one thing, but attacking his status as a war hero (he refused to be released from captivity ffs) isn't "being honest" its an attack on his person instead of his positions. Attacking whether a veteran deserves his purple heart, Navy commendation, bronze star, and silver star is completely beside the point and is unbecoming of a president.

And ummm, draft dodger, ummm. :biggrin:

He said he is a war hero. He agrees with you. He said he is a war hero because he got captured. Would he have been a war hero and refused release if he had not been a prisoner? He didn't state the full reason why McCain is called a war hero nor did the person who brought it up say his hero status was irrelevant.

 

[JockoJohnson]

McCain was given an opportunity to be released early but he refused to take it because he didn't want to give the Vietnamese a propaganda victory, thus subjecting himself to years of torture.

I think McCain has done a ton of shitty things since launching his political career and has shown himself to be a petty, spiteful, and shortsighted individual on a number of occasions. None of that changes the enormous sacrifices he made while a POW, voluntarily, that were far in excess of what most people gave up. The man is absolutely, unequivocally, a goddamn war hero.

Until PeeWee Herman is given an opportunity to be released and turns it down to go face some more torture, speak about that experience with a little more respect, no?

Thank you for clearing that up. I didn't know that portion about him not being released early. In my mind (not that it matters what my opinion is), that would make him a hero. I can see where others are coming from when they say getting captured and then released years later shouldn't automatically make you a hero.

 

[Generator]

There is something refreshing about the Trump ego. He doesn't seem to have the usual conspiratorial stink that the usual cast of characters have. Its no surprise to see Hilary leaping to McCain's aid, because when the Republican/Democrat power is challenged they unite to protect that power. Trump isn't the politician, he knows the game and says as much. He bribes these whores, whichever side...shakes their hands and call them his friends. He seems to be tired of this. Trump and his billions have earned him nothing but boredom these days.

Nader's last hope for this country was for some billionaire to descend into the field of play to shake up the power structure. Trump may look like a orangutan, but fits the bill...

As for McCain I suppose he is a legitimate war hero. But I think he has enjoyed that privilege long enough. He is not the veteran's king and lord. He is an old, warmongering twat that should have been scalped by someone like Trump long ago. Simple right wing chimp politics, beat the other guy bloody, chop his head off and unite the party behind a strong leader. Simple ape shit. I can appreciate what Trump is doing and I think the country does to.

If Trump can get McCain's scalp he is the next POTUS.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I could have swore I also heard him say...

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

But what the hell do I know....I'm so outraged I can't see straight!

 

[Indus]

Is he calling McCain a dummy for not kamikazeing his plane and killing himself so America wouldn't have to worry about POW's?

 

[irishScott]

I could have swore I also heard him say...

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

But what the hell do I know....I'm so outraged I can't see straight!

Apparently you are, that or you didn't do the slightest bit of research.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317.html

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

If you in any way interpret that as praise, you must have failed English as a 3rd grader.

 

[Conroe]

If Trump can get McCain's scalp he is the next POTUS.

McCain shot himself in the foot calling his constituents that went to Trump's rally "crazies." He said he thought it was a term of endearment.

 

[fskimospy]

I could have swore I also heard him say...

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

But what the hell do I know....I'm so outraged I can't see straight!

Don't forget the full quote, while we're looking at things that you know:

“He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

You're right that he later tried to lie about it and say that he considers him a war hero though. If his non-apology attempt to pretend he never said that is enough for you, by all means have at it. Nobody else is fooled though.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Apparently you are, that or you didn't do the slightest bit of research.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317.html



If you in any way interpret that as praise, you must have failed English as a 3rd grader.

Trump IMMEDIATELY modified his initial statement by saying FOUR times that McCain is a war hero. This is what I quoted and it is commonly overlooked by the "intellectuals" among us. Did you happen to overlook these quotes in your extensive research? Also, given the CONTEXT of his comments, there was obviously no intent to praise McCain....quite the opposite. Did you overlook the context of his comments in your exhaustive research as well? And lastly, I was pointing to facts that go beyond a sensationalized sound bite and can't believe that a reasonably intelligent human being would presume that I was interpreting Trump's comments as praise. But I will grant you one thing...you do seem to know quite a bit about the limited mental capacity of 3rd graders. :biggrin:

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Don't forget the full quote, while we're looking at things that you know:



You're right that he later tried to lie about it and say that he considers him a war hero though. If his non-apology attempt to pretend he never said that is enough for you, by all means have at it. Nobody else is fooled though.

That was the first quote...you neglected the rest of what he actually said immediately thereafter which clarifies his intent.

 

[OutHouse]

McCain is a dirtbag, and a traitor as far as I'm concerned. He's sold this country out during his political career on multiple occasions, and has frequently signed bills that are destroying this country.

What I suggest you do - Outhouse (quite a fitting name, because it represents your post history.) is pull your head out of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck's crotch and lay off the Faux News. Neocons like you are in no position to insult anyone's intelligence.

If there is one thing that annoys me more than Liberals its these neocon reactionaries who are so stupid, they're inadvertently supporting policies, and candidates that are ripping this country apart. The difference between them and Liberals, is the Liberals know EXACTLY what they're doing.

TL;DR - neocons are troglodytes.

wow you sure told me off, that was so brutal i may need therapy.
😀😀😀😀

 

[fskimospy]

That was the first quote...you neglected the rest of what he actually said immediately thereafter which clarifies his intent.

Might want to call Politifact about that one and correct them too as those "intellectuals" over there seem very confused as well and seem to agree with me.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump/trump-i-called-mccain-hero-four-times/

In short, Trump’s self-defense is flimsy at best. As for his accusation of critics cherry-picking his comments, experts say the pot is calling the kettle black.

"He’s taking his own words out of context. That’s the offense he’s charging the media with," Kendall said.

We reached out to the Trump campaign for a response but didn’t hear back.

...

We rate his claim Mostly False.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Might want to call Politifact about that one and correct them too as those "intellectuals" over there seem very confused as well and seem to agree with me.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump/trump-i-called-mccain-hero-four-times/

Just horseshit 'gotcha' politics in my opinion...I expect more entertainment to follow from those who are so easily outraged by such things.

 

[fskimospy]

Just horseshit 'gotcha' politics in my opinion...I expect more entertainment to follow from those who are so easily outraged by such things.

Or maybe the context DID matter and when you include it all he basically said what he's accused of.

Looks like those "intellectuals" were on to something after all, eh?

 

[HTFOff]

Kudos to bad hair day for not backing down. The debates are going to be hilariously awesome. I foresee the candidates going after trump like they did with rp, Look at him like he has 8 heads, act all coy and shit when he challenges one of them and giving the most cheesy scripted answers that make you want to gauge your eyes out.

 

[Moonbeam]

Might want to call Politifact about that one and correct them too as those "intellectuals" over there seem very confused as well and seem to agree with me.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump/trump-i-called-mccain-hero-four-times/

It's obvious to me as an English speaker that what Trump was trying to say is don't bring the war hero shit up because it has nothing at all to dc with the fact that he called my audience crazies.

Clearly Trump is a Republican revolutionary hero because he was defending his party supporters against charges they are crazy and have no right to invade and take over the aliens who are trying to ruin America while hiding behind the term 'war heroes'. And even worse now, he will not surrender now and apologize to these North American Traitors even though they are trying to imprison and torture him.

The CBD is all about group loyalty. You don't call your own party members crazies and expect not to get eaten alive.

The Republican primaries are all about which shark gets to say who eats whom.