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Trump Attacks McCain for POW History

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cabri said:
that is the problem with partisan politics.

Pork riders get attached that are usually unrelated to the primary bill. Many are on purpose because the rider can not stand on its own; it needs to be buried where it may be easier to swallow.

So if the bill gets shot down; is becomes a political coup due to the riders/amendments are then ignored by the flag wavers.
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And then the political hacks on both sides scream bloody murder in their myopic, righteous indignation. God help us.
 
Ban Bot said:
Trump is unfit and unworthy to be the Commander-in-Chief. End of story. He should not make a spectacle of the presidential nomination and election process. It is already bad enough without the media giving him a platform for knee jerk gags and laughs and shifting the debate in senseless directions and diverting the already meager and meandering attention of the public.

Our nation continues to face significant economic, diplomatic, and social challenges domestically and internationally. The US will need a respected Commander-in-Chief, someone who can be respected at the bargaining table with friend and foe alike, and have an even temper to handle the pressures of international diplomacy (see: Ukraine; see: Iran.) I can only imagine the national harm Trump could cause based on his immature outbursts.

But Trump is about Trump. He is happy to make a circus of the Republican nomination process even though he know he won't win.

Btw, I have no problem with Trump calling out someone. The problem is how he framed it about honoring winners not losers. It wasn't a specific criticism of McCain's service record (does he deserve to be a hero?) or McCain's politics (which I don't like personally) but the fact he clearly was slamming POWs -- as if every war hero is going to be, "American Sniper." What an idiot. Getting shot down and captured has as much to do with luck (where were you? What sortie? How many shot down? Was your capture important to cover for others or even to save others?) McCain put his life on the line. Unless someone can show he failed to do his duty or failed to attempt to execute his orders what happened to him (success or failure) the bottom line is he deserves our respect for his sacrifice of service.
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Well said.

Doc Savage Fan said:
And then the political hacks on both sides scream bloody murder in their myopic, righteous indignation. God help us.
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Yep. Almost nothing in life is black or white, good or evil. Almost everything in politics is treated as black or white, good or evil. This is our problem in a nut shell.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
GOP doesn't care about Vets? GarfieldtheCat...you're an idiot. Please stop posting here.
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Oh look, the usual 100% content free ad hom attack from one of our trolls.

Care to dispute what I said? Please explain Jeb's outrage over Trump attacking McCain, while he was 100% OK with switftboating a (democratic) Vietnam Vet. Hmmmm.

And lets not forget Jeb was totally OK with invading Iraq, even after knowing what we know now. I'd say that he doesn't care about the vets.

But troll on DSF, it's apparently the only thing you do here.
 
werepossum said:
Well said.


Yep. Almost nothing in life is black or white, good or evil. Almost everything in politics is treated as black or white, good or evil. This is our problem in a nut shell.
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So, would that apply more to wishy-washy liberals or to conservatives' strict "values" & "principles"?
 
Gawd. The mock piety from Righties about veterans is flabbergasting.

Where were their concerns when we invaded Iraq & botched Afghan reconstruction?

Was the Bush Admin busily making the VA better in anticipation of the thousands of shot up, tore up, crippled, blinded & traumatized vets they were creating?

Why are they so eager to create more of the same?
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
Oh look, the usual 100% content free ad hom attack from one of our trolls.

Care to dispute what I said? Please explain Jeb's outrage over Trump attacking McCain, while he was 100% OK with switftboating a (democratic) Vietnam Vet. Hmmmm.

And lets not forget Jeb was totally OK with invading Iraq, even after knowing what we know now. I'd say that he doesn't care about the vets.

But troll on DSF, it's apparently the only thing you do here.
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OMG...Jeb did what!!!
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
Oh look, the usual 100% content free ad hom attack from one of our trolls.

Care to dispute what I said? Please explain Jeb's outrage over Trump attacking McCain, while he was 100% OK with switftboating a (democratic) Vietnam Vet. Hmmmm.

And lets not forget Jeb was totally OK with invading Iraq, even after knowing what we know now. I'd say that he doesn't care about the vets.

But troll on DSF, it's apparently the only thing you do here.
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Kerry earned what he got by testifying and giving press conferences calling our troops rapists and murderers. To get respect you must also be able to give it, and he very publicly disrespected his fellow servicemen.

Jhhnn said:
So, would that apply more to wishy-washy liberals or to conservatives' strict "values" & "principles"?
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I literally could not have predicted someone demanding that I make binary a complaint about things being artificially classified as binary. Words escape me.
 
werepossum said:
Kerry earned what he got by testifying and giving press conferences calling our troops rapists and murderers. To get respect you must also be able to give it, and he very publicly disrespected his fellow servicemen.


I literally could not have predicted someone demanding that I make binary a complaint about things being artificially classified as binary. Words escape me.
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You do know many of our troops have raped and murdered people in Vietnam and even the middle east right?

So he got what was coming to him for telling the truth? :hmm:
 
Jimzz said:
You do know many of our troops have raped and murdered people in Vietnam and even the middle east right?

So he got what was coming to him for telling the truth? :hmm:
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I think that more Democrats need to embrace this "truth"...especially those running for office. 😉
 
Jimzz said:
You do know many of our troops have raped and murdered people in Vietnam and even the middle east right?

So he got what was coming to him for telling the truth? :hmm:
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For both locations
Please provide numbers as to how many raped.
Please provide numbers as to how many murdered.

Also, include deployment numbers so we have a percentage to compare.

Also for shits/grins; how about the same percentages compared to the US population as a whole?
 
cabri said:
For both locations
Please provide numbers as to how many raped.
Please provide numbers as to how many murdered.

Also, include deployment numbers so we have a percentage to compare.

Also for shits/grins; how about the same percentages compared to the US population as a whole?
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You are the one claiming Kerry was lying the onus is on you. I'd be careful comparing national stats to military stats, at best you'd have a high number lower than the national average and at worst you'll have a number that is higher but what it's likely to show you is that there is a problem and it's one where people aren't open about it nor are there accurate stats about it, no matter where you try to measure it (federal, state, curry, college, or even at home).
 
Jimzz said:
You do know many of our troops have raped and murdered people in Vietnam and even the middle east right?

So he got what was coming to him for telling the truth? :hmm:
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If you believe that "many of our troops have raped and murdered people in Vietnam and even the middle east", then at least you don't have to think about which party to vote for. Or about much of anything. But at least have the self-awareness to not be surprised when people you call rapists and murderers aren't in favor of you gaining political power.
 
werepossum said:
I literally could not have predicted someone demanding that I make binary a complaint about things being artificially classified as binary. Words escape me.
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I allowed for shades of grey. "More" & "less" aren't black & white propositions at all.

You merely dodge the question.
 
cabri said:
For both locations
Please provide numbers as to how many raped.
Please provide numbers as to how many murdered.

Also, include deployment numbers so we have a percentage to compare.

Also for shits/grins; how about the same percentages compared to the US population as a whole?
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Even if "our troops" merely raped and murdered as much as civilians, should they not be held to a higher standard? In any case, much more than rare serial killers, "our troops" are certainly keen collectors of human trophies.

http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2012/04/18/sadly-human-trophies-are-as-old-as-war-itself/
 
Jhhnn said:
I allowed for shades of grey. "More" & "less" aren't black & white propositions at all.

You merely dodge the question.
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Fine. My personal scale from most tolerant to least tolerant would be:

Libertarians > Liberals > Independent Moderates > Conservatives > Progressives.

There are none so tolerant as a libertarian, and none so intolerant as a progressive. As an example, let's use a wedding cake for a gay marriage:

Libertarian: Government has no right to tell a businessman whether or not he makes the cake.

Liberal: The baker has a right to his opinion, but he has to serve the public fairly.

Independent Moderate: Wait - let me see which way the wind is blowing.

Conservative: No one should be forced to participate in a gay marriage in any fashion if they have religious objections.

Progressive: This hate-filled bigoted baker should be ruined, his business shut down, and massive fines levied against him personally as a warning to others.

/Thread derailment.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
ROFL...you sir are a piece of work!
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So you once again fail to comment on the facts I posted, let alone try to refute them..gotcha. AT least you are consistent with always refusing to post anything of substance and just posting insults.

Troll on then since you clearly don't care about saying anything factual
 
werepossum said:
Kerry earned what he got by testifying and giving press conferences calling our troops rapists and murderers. To get respect you must also be able to give it, and he very publicly disrespected his fellow servicemen.
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It is my understanding that rape and murder were the norm over there and it was ignored almost entirely by history. I could be wrong but I believe Kerry was actually right.

Was he wrong? Has anybody done a full inventory of American war atrocities in Vietnam? I have hard time believing that only American soldiers are immune to the rape/murder tendecies of invading armies.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/rape-wartime-vietnam
 
bshole said:
It is my understanding that rape and murder were the norm over there and it was ignored almost entirely by history. I could be wrong but I believe Kerry was actually right.

Was he wrong? Has anybody done a full inventory of American war atrocities in Vietnam? I have hard time believing that only American soldiers are immune to the rape/murder tendecies of invading armies.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/rape-wartime-vietnam
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Instead of using troops...all the more reason to bomb the shit out of them a la Libya!
 
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