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Trump acts against Syria- 49 Tomahawk Missiles strike air force base.

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I think Assad is a rabid dog that Putin can't control. But they can't be seen as weak, so they attack US in the public, but behind the scenes they're not that concerned.

Now they know that US are willing to get engaged in Syria, and the first real test of the Trump governments security policy.

I think Trump has made a good decision in this case, and have surrounded himself with some good advisors.

But I don't think this changes anything major in Syria. So lots of people are still going to die before the war is over.
 
biostud said:
I think Assad is a rabid dog that Putin can't control. But they can't be seen as weak, so they attack US in the public, but behind the scenes they're not that concerned.

Now they know that US are willing to get engaged in Syria, and the first real test of the Trump governments security policy.

I think Trump has made a good decision in this case, and have surrounded himself with some good advisors.

But I don't think this changes anything major in Syria. So lots of people are still going to die before the war is over.
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Yea.

Much of war is a mindset. If you can instil fear in your enemies you have a great advantage. This was Obama's huge weakness. He was very weak when it came to threats. A very excellent speaker. He reminded me of a college professor. Obama is very articulate, well spoken and carries himself very well. But, there are times you need to have the warrior mentality. You do this and we're going to f*ck up your day!

BTW, the "Art of War" is an excellent book.
 
I fucking knew it.. Goddamnit it. I was leaning towards NK though but I guess this was too good a chance to miss out on. Goddamnit.
You cant have that man wage war? Wtf generals.. Ivanka? Jared? You were supposed to make sure this shit didnt happen!
Part of me is hoping that Russia have 'given' the orange man this 'target' via backchannels.
Or we may get to see the peepee tapes? We will then send a copy to Syria, I am sure they will understand why it was worth it.
Or it may escelate to US vs. Russia levels.. Maybe the ruskies really havent grasped, unlike the rest of us, who the eff they helped put in power. -
Russia Intelligence Headquarters: Mr Putin, we can control this simpleton with these pee pee tapes and fake stories on breibart and fox news.
Putin : Do it.
Rest of the world : Noooooo.

There it was, the sleight of hand we all knew was coming.. Lock him up!
 
Gee lets see here....
Trump in co-operation with Putin have masterminded then instigated the gassing and death of innocent children just so Trump could now take military action with the full blessing of Putin to make it appear that Trump can stand up against the Soviets, and all the while this scheme was cooked up by Putin and the Soviet KGB, handed to Trump on a silver platter, only to fool the American people.
Believe me.... things ARE NOT as they appear.

Trump is in bed with the Soviet high echelon. They handed Trump the presidency, their murderous system of deceit and corruption made Trump a billionaire, funds the Trump empire, and Americans had begun to figure all of this out.
Lets just say It was getting a little bit too hot in the Trump kitchen for this unholy alliance between the communist leader Putin and his most successful KGB agent of all time, American president Donald Trump.

So once again and working together they have dreamed up this little Alice in the looking glass reality TV show scheme only to fool the foolish star stricken American public as well as the American media.
Who, by the way, fall for this Trump stunt every time....

The worrisom part of all this is this now places the idea of gassing ones own citizenry for personal profit and political gain into the mind of none other than our glorious Putin enabled leader, Donald Trump.
Voter suppression? That's old school.
Gass them democrats instead.
Then, blame Islamic terrorism.
 
sportage said:
Gee lets see here....
Trump in co-operation with Putin have masterminded then instigated the gassing and death of innocent children just so Trump could now take military action with the full blessing of Putin to make it appear that Trump can stand up against the Soviets, and all the while this scheme was cooked up by Putin and the Soviet KGB, handed to Trump on a silver platter, only to fool the American people.
Believe me.... things ARE NOT as they appear.

Trump is in bed with the Soviet high echelon. They handed Trump the presidency, their murderous system of deceit and corruption made Trump a billionaire, funds the Trump empire, and Americans had begun to figure all of this out.
Lets just say It was getting a little bit too hot in the Trump kitchen for this unholy alliance between the communist leader Putin and his most successful KGB agent of all time, American president Donald Trump.

So once again and working together they have dreamed up this little Alice in the looking glass reality TV show scheme only to fool the foolish star stricken American public as well as the American media.
Who, by the way, fall for this Trump stunt every time....

The worrisom part of all this is this now places the idea of gassing ones own citizenry for personal profit and political gain into the mind of none other than our glorious Putin enabled leader, Donald Trump.
Voter suppression? That's old school.
Gass them democrats instead.
Then, blame Islamic terrorism.
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Did you take something before posting? Because that's the most insane thing I've seen in a while. BTW, Putin and Russia have already said out was not a chemical weapons attack, which completely trashes your whole tinfoil hat conspiracy. Got anything based in fact?
 
Ajay said:
If NBC has it right - it wasn't the airstrips, but surrounding buildings. Didn't hear anything about aircraft yet.
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That would be really, really stupid. If you take out the actual airstrips then Assad can no longer, presumably, launch attacks by air, which means no more chemical attacks from the air. Of course I'm sure Assad has other air bases which makes this action more of a nuisance than anything (especially if they were given a heads up about the attack).
 
sportage said:
Gee lets see here....
Trump in co-operation with Putin have masterminded then instigated the gassing and death of innocent children just so Trump could now take military action with the full blessing of Putin to make it appear that Trump can stand up against the Soviets, and all the while this scheme was cooked up by Putin and the Soviet KGB, handed to Trump on a silver platter, only to fool the American people.
Believe me.... things ARE NOT as they appear.

Trump is in bed with the Soviet high echelon. They handed Trump the presidency, their murderous system of deceit and corruption made Trump a billionaire, funds the Trump empire, and Americans had begun to figure all of this out.
Lets just say It was getting a little bit too hot in the Trump kitchen for this unholy alliance between the communist leader Putin and his most successful KGB agent of all time, American president Donald Trump.

So once again and working together they have dreamed up this little Alice in the looking glass reality TV show scheme only to fool the foolish star stricken American public as well as the American media.
Who, by the way, fall for this Trump stunt every time....

The worrisom part of all this is this now places the idea of gassing ones own citizenry for personal profit and political gain into the mind of none other than our glorious Putin enabled leader, Donald Trump.
Voter suppression? That's old school.
Gass them democrats instead.
Then, blame Islamic terrorism.
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WTF?! Proof at least that it's not just the Alt-right with their crazy arse conspiracy theories anyway!
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
This is also Hillary's plan. I assume you think the same of her, and of all the military options I can come up with this is action has the lowest risk of most all. You don't understand this has nothing to do with money, at all. This is a language being spoken by three parties involved in the conversation.
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It's a terrible decision if it's made after saying repeatedly that we should stay out of the situation.
This way we have ended up with a pile of dead kids and getting sucked into Syria.

Randomly lashing out after saying that it's none of our business and we should stay out of it comes across more like a drunk in a bar than a statesman.
 
This was a really expensive attack. Tomahawks cost around a million apiece, and a destroyer or cruiser only has around 90 total missile cells, many of which are used for other types of missile: air defense, antisubmarine, anti-ship. (Attack submarines have a dozen missile tubes.) So we're possibly talking about 2 or 3 ships firing off their entire load of land-attack missiles. It would have been cheaper to send in stealth bombers dropping smart bombs.

I'm not saying I completely oppose Trump's actions. The use of chemical weapons is a serious act and bombing a military base could be an appropriate response.

But if feels like there hasn't been a lot of deliberation here. Has there been a new policy put into effect? Are we planning on following through with further military attacks against the Assad regime? What actions by them will trigger further attacks? Will we bomb other countries that use chemical weapons?

What authority did Trump use to launch this attack? Rand Paul is saying Congress didn't authorize it. The President is the Commander-in-Chief but he can't order a military attack against any country he wants to.

I'm more worried about the bump he will probably see in his poll numbers. If so he may start finding someone to bomb every week to keep those numbers up.
 
OutHouse said:
so its ok? nothing to care about? is that what you are saying? you do know what a war crime is dont you?
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The use of cluster bombs is also a war crime, yet that is done all the time, and noone seems to give a shit.

Personally I care a lot more about the number of people killed, than the way in which they were killed.
 
OutHouse said:
so its ok? nothing to care about? is that what you are saying? you do know what a war crime is dont you?
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According to Humans Rights Watch, it is what American leadership under Bush did in its war on terror. When your country runs around torturing citizens of other countries and is not held responsible, it seems a bit hypocritical for it to hold other countries responsible for their war crimes.

Human Rights Watch claimed in 2005 that the principle of "command responsibility" could make high-ranking officials within the Bush administration guilty of the numerous war crimes committed during the War on Terror, either with their knowledge or by persons under their control.
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Shortly before the end of President Bush's second term, newsmedia in countries other than the U.S. began publishing the views of those who believe that under the United Nations Convention Against Torture, the U.S. is obligated to hold those responsible for prisoner abuse to account under criminal law.[73]One proponent of this view was the United Nations Special Rapporteur on torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment (Professor Manfred Nowak) who, on January 20, 2009, remarked on German television that former president George W. Bush had lost his head of state immunity and under international law the U.S. would now be mandated to start criminal proceedings against all those involved in these violations of the UN Convention Against Torture.
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bshole said:
According to Humans Rights Watch, it is what American leadership under Bush did in its war on terror. When your country runs around torturing citizens of other countries and is not held responsible, it seems a bit hypocritical for it to hold other countries responsible for their war crimes.
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OMG, a "but Bush" post....
 
That took less time than I expected. Three months in and he's bombing. How long until he goes for a full on invasion ?

Maybe this will do a better job of distracting from Russia than conspiracy theories on Twitter.
 
VRAMdemon said:
This was a really expensive attack. Tomahawks cost around a million apiece, and a destroyer or cruiser only has around 90 total missile cells, many of which are used for other types of missile: air defense, antisubmarine, anti-ship. (Attack submarines have a dozen missile tubes.) So we're possibly talking about 2 or 3 ships firing off their entire load of land-attack missiles. It would have been cheaper to send in stealth bombers dropping smart bombs.

I'm not saying I completely oppose Trump's actions. The use of chemical weapons is a serious act and bombing a military base could be an appropriate response.

But if feels like there hasn't been a lot of deliberation here. Has there been a new policy put into effect? Are we planning on following through with further military attacks against the Assad regime? What actions by them will trigger further attacks? Will we bomb other countries that use chemical weapons?

What authority did Trump use to launch this attack? Rand Paul is saying Congress didn't authorize it. The President is the Commander-in-Chief but he can't order a military attack against any country he wants to.

I'm more worried about the bump he will probably see in his poll numbers. If so he may start finding someone to bomb every week to keep those numbers up.
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To assume there is a change in policy, or any policy whatsoever, assumes facts not in evidence. Tillerson just said a few days ago that Assad's future was in the hands of the Syrian people, which has been viewed as a tacit admission that we would not oppose his rule or intervene in the civil war. Now we're bombing an airfield and threaten further action. There is no coherent strategy here and becoming further embroiled in a multifaceted civil war featuring the Russians and Iranians while lacking a plan seems just a touch risky.

I'm of the opinion that Trump needs an AUMF from Congress. Military action against a sovereign nation should require the assent of the legislature under our laws even if it's after the fact of what could be the first of more strikes. Most people in congress seem to approve of this action, they should cast their votes.

I'm not entirely sure what kind of poll bump Trump will see here. There probably will be one but it seems a lot of his super hardcore right wing supporters are not fans this act and are turning on him.
 
VRAMdemon said:
What authority did Trump use to launch this attack? Rand Paul is saying Congress didn't authorize it. The President is the Commander-in-Chief but he can't order a military attack against any country he wants to.

I'm more worried about the bump he will probably see in his poll numbers. If so he may start finding someone to bomb every week to keep those numbers up.
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We do have some troops in Syria. They are using chem weapons that are endangering our troops. No outside authorization needed.
 
Capt Caveman said:
Yeah, especially since Trump has repeatedly said America first and that Syria wasn't our business and we wouldn't get involved.
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GOod thing we didn't get that Hillary Hawk that was going to attack Syria and start wars everywhere, right? right? That's what the pubs said they hated, right?

...also cool to see that while the black man needed permission from Congress before he could act (which he didn't get, because "boy" was out of his place!), no such thing is required of fatman Turnip.
 
master_shake_ said:
trump could cure cancer achieve world peace and grant everyone 3 wishes and some people would still bitch about only getting 3.

jesus.
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Trump couldn't possibly do any of those things. Examples like that only work when they are couched in some sort of reality. You see, the reason that Trump is legitimately despised by humanity isn't so much because he is technically incapable of those things, but because he is personally opposed to such things, because he thinks other, poor people with low T get cancer, Peace is for pussies, and only bitches need wishes. etc.

I and every other human assure you that a mythical version of Trump doing such things would be far more than acceptable to the rest of us. But none of that is Trump.
 
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