Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

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jackstar7

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Pens1566 said:
Seemed to be rage tweeting based on what I read. Can't see how someone would think it's funny if a years worth of their work was essentially just flushed down the shitter.
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You gotta see the context then. Deadspin made him look the fool for no good reason, too. Implied a lot of emotion that wasn't there.
 
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SMOGZINN said:
I agree with what you said. Just the fact that the President tried to tell the American people that ethics rules don't apply to him should have been enough for us to be calling for a reform of our ethics laws to make it absolutely clear that they do apply to both the office and the person of the President.

The law’s totally on my side, meaning, the president can’t have a conflict of interest.”
— Donald Trump, interview with the New York Times, Nov. 22, 2016
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What's worse is that at the end of all this, Trump will just pardon everyone in his circle for everything they've ever done wrong up until the point he leaves office. That is why there seems to be little fear in Trump jr.. Well unless NY state AG finds something to charge him with.
 
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emperus said:
Trump has brought me to the conclusion that we don't have strong enough ethical laws. I don't think our laws have ever imagined a President like Trump or these new age Republicans. Generally what wasn't illegal was so politically damaging that people wouldn't do it. Trump has thrown that on its head. Without the fear of political damage our laws are nowhere strong enough to curtail all the unethical behavior and conflicts of interest Trump or any President who has willing party can present. I hate to say this, but Trump has president has made me realize how ethical our previous presidents have tried to be and hos behavior may become the norm.
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Trump is the ultimate sociopath/narcissist, surrounded by enablers and other ass kissers that are drawn to his bullying/ brash personality. He is an asshole on an epic scale and much like codependents that are attracted to bullies, his enablers and base will ultimately be his biggest victims when the dust settles.

I agree with your sentiment but within the context of this media created monster I don't think the problem will continue past his reign... He's an anomaly, a perfect shitstorm that somehow conned enough people to jump onboard his trainwreck. Remember, the right only cares about their endgame and will do ANYTHING to "win".. Lie, cheat and steal their way in to implementing their archaic vision of society.
 
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@Bumrush99, I wish I shared you optimism. But IMO this started when Ford pardoned Nixon; that basically changed Nixon's "When the President does it, it's not illegal" to "The President doesn't give a shit if it's legal or not, the old boy network will protect him."

Our institutions died on 8 September 1974 with declaration 4311. I wasn't alive for that--at least not in this body--but the history is there for all to see.
 
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Azuma Hazuki said:
@Bumrush99, I wish I shared you optimism. But IMO this started when Ford pardoned Nixon; that basically changed Nixon's "When the President does it, it's not illegal" to "The President doesn't give a shit if it's legal or not, the old boy network will protect him."

Our institutions died on 8 September 1974 with declaration 4311. I wasn't alive for that--at least not in this body--but the history is there for all to see.
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And since then our politics have generally been in a downward spiral. Politicians of all stripes have gradually been getting more and more blatant in their corruption, more divisive in our partisan politics, and with that they are becoming confidant that their constituents will forgive them nearly anything as long as it keeps the other party out of office. We have allowed winning to become more important than ethics or morality.
 
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pmv said:
if someone back in the '80s had told me that one day the Russians would be seriously accused by much of the US establishment of interfering with their elections, and getting their favoured candidate into the Presidency, I really don't think this is what I would have envisaged.
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It's actually not too surprising given there were accusations from both sides of the deal where Reagon got into office by striking a deal with the iranians to screw Carter over the hostages. Not suspicious at all they were released literally right after he took office and went on to work out numerous favorable deals for them. Degenerates acting largely in their selfish interest, like committing treason, is just par for course.

Fanatical Meat said:
2013 video shows Trump with the fat guy who reached out to Don Jr

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/politics/video-trump-relationships-russian-associates/index.html
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There's also a pic of Trump with the russian lawyer from 2013. Small world, huh?
 
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Man, I can't wait to see the photos of Trump and his tiny dick peeing on those Russian prostitutes. It will likely go down as the greatest political image in US history. If only Gilbert Stuart were still around to immortalize the event on oil and canvas. :(
 
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zinfamous said:
Man, I can't wait to see the photos of Trump and his tiny dick peeing on those Russian prostitutes. It will likely go down as the greatest political image in US history. If only Gilbert Stuart were still around to immortalize the event on oil and canvas. :(
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And here i thought it was the prostitutes peeing on him the whole time... :(
 
Fanatical Meat

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zinfamous said:
Man, I can't wait to see the photos of Trump and his tiny dick peeing on those Russian prostitutes. It will likely go down as the greatest political image in US history. If only Gilbert Stuart were still around to immortalize the event on oil and canvas. :(
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Serious question if it exists and if it were released as a pay to view internet thing, what would you be willing to pay?
 
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zinfamous said:
Man, I can't wait to see the photos of Trump and his tiny dick peeing on those Russian prostitutes. It will likely go down as the greatest political image in US history. If only Gilbert Stuart were still around to immortalize the event on oil and canvas. :(
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I am thinking an Andy Warhol. With trump on a can of pees... Err Peas...
 
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Azuma Hazuki said:
@Bumrush99, I wish I shared you optimism. But IMO this started when Ford pardoned Nixon; that basically changed Nixon's "When the President does it, it's not illegal" to "The President doesn't give a shit if it's legal or not, the old boy network will protect him."

Our institutions died on 8 September 1974 with declaration 4311. I wasn't alive for that--at least not in this body--but the history is there for all to see.
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Our institutions have only ever been strong enough as the will to protect them. The Civil Rights act realignment made them an enemy to a strong faction in the nation, but it's the same cancer as has existed since before the nation.
 
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cytg111 said:
Either way, each time Trump wins, Putin wins and America loses. Each time Trump loses, Putin wins and America loses. There is a pattern here.
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We'll be cutting our losses the day TrumpCo is banished from the halls of Power. It will get worse until that happens.
 
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jackstar7 said:
Twitter and BBC
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/885595315994329090
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i don't recall reading that back in January, but crazy...

"And the former MI6 agent (Steele) is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect. Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".
 
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User over at Reddit had a logical and thought provoking analysis of this news story. So essentially, Don Jr is trying to make this meeting a non-issue and play it off by claiming the Russian lawyer he met with had nothing to offer him and only wasted his time. However, it was Aras Agalarov through his son Emin and Rob Goldstone who set the meeting up. So if you believe Jr's story that nothing significant happened, you essentially have to believe that a Russian billionaire oil tycoon was duped by this lady saying she had "documents and information that would incriminate Hillary," yet in fact only wanted to lobby the Trump campaign? Seems highly incredulous, and ridiculous beyond the point of belief.

He made some other conclusions about the lawyer being a courier to deliver documents from Putin's agents, but those were much more circumstantial. You can read his analysis here if you're interested: https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/co...t_chris_hayes_provides_evidence_that/dk5xerf/
 
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alien42 said:
i don't recall reading that back in January, but crazy...

"And the former MI6 agent (Steele) is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect. Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".
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Where is the state response? Congress? Anyone(beyond talkshow hosts)? There is just silence, is everyone just ducking and hoping it blows over, a nothing burger? Does s* not have consequences anymore? Muller is silent? Are you still a democracy?
 
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cytg111 said:
Where is the state response? Congress? Anyone(beyond talkshow hosts)? There is just silence, is everyone just ducking and hoping it blows over, a nothing burger? Does s* not have consequences anymore? Muller is silent? Are you still a democracy?
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not sure what you mean by "the state response"

Congress currently has two committees investigating Russiagate. most Republicans are still in denial but that seems to be slowly changing.

nearly everyone is talking about it from some viewpoint.

legal consequences take time, Mueller is silent as he should be. i personally believe our democracy will win and Trump will not serve a full term.
 
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