Troopergate Released

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
It's no wonder Sarah and Todd were on the phone (using state resources heaven forbid!) every other day. I darn sure would be if some idiot brother-in-law tasered my nephew and the police were doing nothing about a legitimate complaint.

And if she (god forbid) actually became President and she used an IRS audit to intimidate that brother-in-law?

There is NO scenario that allows her to abuse the trust the public placed in her...
That trust specifically says that she will seperate completely her office and her personal life. It's not an easy thing to do, but it's what the job calls for...and she has obviously failed at the performance of her duty.

 

[quest55720]

The good news about troopergate is maybe McCain will figure out the election is over. He needs to go out there in that last debate and go after the democratic party. He should ignore Obama and hammer those who blocked fannie and freddie regulation for kick backs. I want McCain to name those who are responsible for this mess. Maybe he can force Obama into a pledge for a complete investigation of this mess including congress. Frank Dodd and their cronnies should be taking the witness stand. He can maybe help the republicans keep 41 seats to prevent Pelosi from having complete control of this country.

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Hugh H
The main thing I hope sticks in people's mind after this is that you can't go around questioning others' integrity when you have integrity issues of your own. This findings reveal how hypocrite she has been.

or at the very least, don't attack your opponent's integrity when they've got the media in their pockets and the only coverage of attacks on them is in regards to how the attacks negatively reflect on the attackers.

ALthough McCAin's campaign manager said the negative campaign was to divert the issue from the economy

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Hugh H
The main thing I hope sticks in people's mind after this is that you can't go around questioning others' integrity when you have integrity issues of your own. This findings reveal how hypocrite she has been.

or at the very least, don't attack your opponent's integrity when they've got the media in their pockets and the only coverage of attacks on them is in regards to how the attacks negatively reflect on the attackers.

ALthough McCAin's campaign manager said the negative campaign was to divert the issue from the economy

facts are for terrorists

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: aphex
What's the expression, don't walk around naked in glass houses? lol, I can't remember it.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

lol, THATS IT! Thanks! :beer:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: quest55720
The good news about troopergate is maybe McCain will figure out the election is over. He needs to go out there in that last debate and go after the democratic party. He should ignore Obama and hammer those who blocked fannie and freddie regulation for kick backs. I want McCain to name those who are responsible for this mess. Maybe he can force Obama into a pledge for a complete investigation of this mess including congress. Frank Dodd and their cronnies should be taking the witness stand. He can maybe help the republicans keep 41 seats to prevent Pelosi from having complete control of this country.

Are you talking about McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis?

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: quest55720
The good news about troopergate is maybe McCain will figure out the election is over. He needs to go out there in that last debate and go after the democratic party. He should ignore Obama and hammer those who blocked fannie and freddie regulation for kick backs. I want McCain to name those who are responsible for this mess. Maybe he can force Obama into a pledge for a complete investigation of this mess including congress. Frank Dodd and their cronnies should be taking the witness stand. He can maybe help the republicans keep 41 seats to prevent Pelosi from having complete control of this country.

Are you talking about McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis?

Sure if he had any hand in getting regulation blocked via kick backs. I would also like to see James A Johnson the guy who headed up Obama's VP search commitee up there. Since he made close to a 100 million from cooking the books. We all know that if Obama is elected he will sweep all this under the rug to protect his party.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: crisscross
So what happens now? is there a chance that she pulls out of the race?

In this FU#$ED up country? Shit, she will probably get even MORE votes.

I swear some people just love this stuff and it makes em go out and vote for them, the more worse the better. Look at bush! He's got to be the WORST person on the planet for a president and he got in TWICE!!!! Figure that one out!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: quest55720
The good news about troopergate is maybe McCain will figure out the election is over. He needs to go out there in that last debate and go after the democratic party. He should ignore Obama and hammer those who blocked fannie and freddie regulation for kick backs. I want McCain to name those who are responsible for this mess. Maybe he can force Obama into a pledge for a complete investigation of this mess including congress. Frank Dodd and their cronnies should be taking the witness stand. He can maybe help the republicans keep 41 seats to prevent Pelosi from having complete control of this country.

Are you talking about McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis?

Sure if he had any hand in getting regulation blocked via kick backs. I would also like to see James A Johnson the guy who headed up Obama's VP search commitee up there. Since he made close to a 100 million from cooking the books. We all know that if Obama is elected he will sweep all this under the rug to protect his party.

Wow... this is just a sad example of partisan hackery when confronted with the facts.

 

[Thump553]

What I get out of this "scandal":

1) The investigation was a bipartisan effort-in fact it was GOP dominated (10 GOP 4 Dems). Those GOP members were probably under intense pressure from the national GOP to kill this.

2) Timing couldn't be worse for McCain and yet again illustrates his nature of implusive judgment either without adequate investigation or in spite of the investigation results.

3) At its heart, this "scandal" has about as much substance as the infamous travelgate-but that led directly to Bill Clinton's impeachment, so who knows how far this will go.

4) Possible consequence-if this really, really gains traction Palin could withdraw for good of party, Romney steps in. Instant business credibility for McCain, shot at Michigan and the type of hail mary crap shoot that McCain loves to do. Highly unlikely, but a possibility, especially in this wild race.

5) I'm delighting in tuning into Fox News to see how they spin this, it's great. They mention the negative findings briefly in passing (if that), point out as the report's main conclusion that Palin acted within her scope of authority, and that the liberal media is trying to twist her husband's noble actions to protect the family as something wrong.

 

[trenchfoot]

Getting kicked and punched into a corner in disgrace is a hard thing to take, especially when that bunch of folks who had the run of the country for six straight years turned the nation into a spectacular heap of burning wreckage and carnage, are vehemently disavowing anything to do with it and want eight more years to "fix" things reeeeaaaal good.

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Barack Obama

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Hugh H
The main thing I hope sticks in people's mind after this is that you can't go around questioning others' integrity when you have integrity issues of your own. This findings reveal how hypocrite she has been.

or at the very least, don't attack your opponent's integrity when they've got the media in their pockets and the only coverage of attacks on them is in regards to how the attacks negatively reflect on the attackers.

ALthough McCAin's campaign manager said the negative campaign was to divert the issue from the economy

facts are for terrorists

shhh...

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Are you rooting for an immediate impeachment if Obama is elected, like you were with Kerry? That made me livid four years ago . . .

That would be funny if it did happen but no, I just will hope that he lives up to my expectation of sucking.

So you want him to suck? Really?

You don't want him to prove you wrong if it means that it might serve the country for the better?

I'm supporting Obama but if MCain wins, I'd want nothing more than for him to turn this country around.

 

[Red Dawn]

I bet the real culprit in this whole thing is that asshole husband of hers.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: KevinH
So you want him to suck? Really?

You don't want him to prove you wrong if it means that it might serve the country for the better?

I'm supporting Obama but if MCain wins, I'd want nothing more than for him to turn this country around.

You know at this point whatever, I just don't want to see massachusetts replicated on a national level, especially not their health plan as personally I don't think it is good, not that it effects me but should I ever become a contractor again then it would.

However I typically always root for the underdog and find myself feeling nothing can ever be that good, which is why I would in a sinister way chuckle if Obama wasn't the next best thing to sliced bread as so many are making him out to be.

 

[Bird222]

So much for her fighting corruption. The 'new wave' republican party's hypocrisy knows no bounds. I hope McCain is stupid enough to KEEP her on the ticket.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: bozack
No biggie for me, still doesn't move me to vote for hussein O.

The real question is if this report will make a difference to anyone who is undecided.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: quest55720
The good news about troopergate is maybe McCain will figure out the election is over. He needs to go out there in that last debate and go after the democratic party. He should ignore Obama and hammer those who blocked fannie and freddie regulation for kick backs. I want McCain to name those who are responsible for this mess. Maybe he can force Obama into a pledge for a complete investigation of this mess including congress. Frank Dodd and their cronnies should be taking the witness stand. He can maybe help the republicans keep 41 seats to prevent Pelosi from having complete control of this country.

Forget it, it's too late. He lacks the will or the capabilities to force Obama to pledge anything except to win November 4. He has nothing, there is nothing left. McCain's campaign is DONE. He's going through the motions for four more weeks. He just wants this to be over now. Watching him try to mother the people at a rally he was at, from the woman who said Obama is an Arab to the young guy who is "scared" of Obama, it was just I actually felt a bit sorry for him.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: Perknose
At the end of the day, this report's conclusion is damning evidence that Sarah Palin in simply not fit to hold to hold any office.

Fixed.

To put it in terms rabid Republicans might understand, imagine if Obama became president. Now imagine if his baby mama started sitting in the Oval Office and making calls to get Shaniqua's man fired from his job emptying the trash at the Pentagon? And if Barack were totally down with it and even started having cabinet meetings with the Secretary of Defense to imply this firing needed to be done? And if Michelle were sitting in on those and other cabinet meetings?

The problem comes from Palin allowing her husband to exercise undue influence from the Governor's office and not stopping it from happening. I wouldn't be surprised if after failing to win the VP seat, Palin returns to Alaska and finds the Republican legislature there has reverted to its normal state of unfriendliness. I can even see them voting to censure the Governor in some way, either for her actions that this probe addressed or for telling people to ignore subpoenas.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Thump553
What I get out of this "scandal":

1) The investigation was a bipartisan effort-in fact it was GOP dominated (10 GOP 4 Dems). Those GOP members were probably under intense pressure from the national GOP to kill this.

2) Timing couldn't be worse for McCain and yet again illustrates his nature of implusive judgment either without adequate investigation or in spite of the investigation results.

3) At its heart, this "scandal" has about as much substance as the infamous travelgate-but that led directly to Bill Clinton's impeachment, so who knows how far this will go.

4) Possible consequence-if this really, really gains traction Palin could withdraw for good of party, Romney steps in. Instant business credibility for McCain, shot at Michigan and the type of hail mary crap shoot that McCain loves to do. Highly unlikely, but a possibility, especially in this wild race.

5) I'm delighting in tuning into Fox News to see how they spin this, it's great. They mention the negative findings briefly in passing (if that), point out as the report's main conclusion that Palin acted within her scope of authority, and that the liberal media is trying to twist her husband's noble actions to protect the family as something wrong.

Slate has linked a Global Dashboard piece that echoes your idea above. They expand it somewhat, with a view to the Republicans exploiting Saint Sarah's victimization by the Liberal Press as she is tragically hounded from the race.

 

[Thump553]

CallMeJoe: Thanks for the link. Very interesting, especially as they wrote that piece before the Troopergate report came out. I think their two alternatives to Romney are a no go, though. Bloomberg was a democrat who switched parties and ran as a republican in the NYC race because that was the most opportune way. Greenspan? Bless his soul, but (a) he's ancient and (b) have you ever heard his speeches? Think of your worst professor in college with the jargon, vagueness and boredom exponentially greater.

The more I think about it I expect Troopergate to burn out pretty quickly. The report is fairly mild. For most people reading it, it will seem like she's getting hung on a technicality (using her power for personal purpose, when the personal purpose is to protect her father and other family members from a very likely source of violence, and due to her refusal to testify, all they have is what the "First Dude" did-so she is getting punished for essentially not reining in her husband in an intense family battle.) The McCain's campaign best strategy is to let it fade away.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: L00PY
I wouldn't be surprised if after failing to win the VP seat, Palin returns to Alaska and finds the Republican legislature there has reverted to its normal state of unfriendliness. I can even see them voting to censure the Governor in some way, either for her actions that this probe addressed or for telling people to ignore subpoenas.

Yes, I think this VP run may end up doing a bad thing for her career overall. She is the greatest problem in McCain's campaign and one of the many reasons--but the most important one--why he will lose. That plus now abuse of office, it's very possible she'll end up the laughing stock as embittered republicans project their pain at defeat upon her.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Thump553
What I get out of this "scandal":

1) The investigation was a bipartisan effort-in fact it was GOP dominated (10 GOP 4 Dems). Those GOP members were probably under intense pressure from the national GOP to kill this.

2) Timing couldn't be worse for McCain and yet again illustrates his nature of implusive judgment either without adequate investigation or in spite of the investigation results.

3) At its heart, this "scandal" has about as much substance as the infamous travelgate-but that led directly to Bill Clinton's impeachment, so who knows how far this will go.

4) Possible consequence-if this really, really gains traction Palin could withdraw for good of party, Romney steps in. Instant business credibility for McCain, shot at Michigan and the type of hail mary crap shoot that McCain loves to do. Highly unlikely, but a possibility, especially in this wild race.

5) I'm delighting in tuning into Fox News to see how they spin this, it's great. They mention the negative findings briefly in passing (if that), point out as the report's main conclusion that Palin acted within her scope of authority, and that the liberal media is trying to twist her husband's noble actions to protect the family as something wrong.

Uh, if Palin resigned it would just convince people of McCains poor judgement.
And, at this point, Michigan is a lost cause for the Republicans.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Thump553
What I get out of this "scandal":

1) The investigation was a bipartisan effort-in fact it was GOP dominated (10 GOP 4 Dems). Those GOP members were probably under intense pressure from the national GOP to kill this.

2) Timing couldn't be worse for McCain and yet again illustrates his nature of implusive judgment either without adequate investigation or in spite of the investigation results.

3) At its heart, this "scandal" has about as much substance as the infamous travelgate-but that led directly to Bill Clinton's impeachment, so who knows how far this will go.

4) Possible consequence-if this really, really gains traction Palin could withdraw for good of party, Romney steps in. Instant business credibility for McCain, shot at Michigan and the type of hail mary crap shoot that McCain loves to do. Highly unlikely, but a possibility, especially in this wild race.

5) I'm delighting in tuning into Fox News to see how they spin this, it's great. They mention the negative findings briefly in passing (if that), point out as the report's main conclusion that Palin acted within her scope of authority, and that the liberal media is trying to twist her husband's noble actions to protect the family as something wrong.

Slate has linked a Global Dashboard piece that echoes your idea above. They expand it somewhat, with a view to the Republicans exploiting Saint Sarah's victimization by the Liberal Press as she is tragically hounded from the race.

Too erratic. (And I believe McCain more so than anyone sees Romney for what he truly is: A flip-flopping pandering douche.)

The best thing for Obama to do is stay steady - maybe throw in a few, ""If you honor me to be your President I will need John McCain's help in the Senate as we steer our way through these difficult times ... ""

I haven't bothered to read the excuses for Palin from the NeanderCons in this thread. Just more Failure to take responsibility for their behavior.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
That's a wonderful sentiment. Well the guy I wanted didn't win so I hope the other guy runs this country irrevocably to the ground. That'll show 'em!

You guys are really great, thinking that the Pres really has that much control....one can't hope that the country will do fine regardless of how their possible president does or appears? sorry but I am not one that thinks the Pres has that much of an impact, and I certainly think the country can do fine with him having a shitty run if he got in...the two don't have to be tied

And yet you think Obama has "that much control" over tax cuts and health care reform, so much so that's it's a decider for you in the general election. Hmmm.