Trick or Don't Tase Me Bro!

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BigJ
It depends on the agreement they have with the department. If the Chief of Police says it's ok, they're typically good to go.

hmm weird. i find it odd that a cop would be able to use his uniform for a side job.

now i can understand if he is doing something for the city. But to be a guard at a business i just can't see that being ok.

but hey I learned something new heh.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: NuroMancer

Originally posted by: Canai

The off-duty officer was working a part-time job, patrolling Trotter's Ridge subdivision near Snellville

NOT on his way home. Using police equipment for his other job. He had no right to arrest her, other than to hold her until an on-duty officer arrived at the scene.

edit: at least as far as I know. I don't think off-duty officers can arrest you, can they?

Yes they can,

and it sounds like paid duty to me, in which cause he has full permission to use his "police equipment" and arrest/ticket you.

Then wouldn't they refer to him as an 'on-duty' officer?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BigJ
Most off-duty police officers that do security work will be in uniform.

in the police uniform? i find that odd.

If they're working in somewhere like a neighborhood they'll be in uniform so that they'll be easily recognizable and just their presence can have an effect on keeping the nuttiness down. If they're working bar security or something similar, they'll be in civies.

yeah thats what i figured.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.


Say you're walking down the street, and a guy tells you to stop (doing whatever). You, of course, refuse. He proceeds to grab you, and cuff you. He doesn't have a badge, uniform, or radio. WTF are you going to do? Just let some random guy do whatever he wants with you?

The story doesn't give details about whether or not he flashed a badge or what he was wearing so this is all speculation.

In any case, what would you rather have the cop do? He has a duty to preserve the peace and sees this girl clearly disrupting it. So he took action. Fine, he grabbed her arm. We don't know how or why exactly. This story doesn't tell us. It does tell us this:

The officer warned her to stop or he would use a Taser to subdue her, but the girl kept struggling and punching the back of the patrol car with her fists, Spellman said.

"The officer stated she was extremely combative and he was unable to get her into the patrol car," Spellman said. "After several attempts to urge the girl to comply verbally, the officer tased her."

Basically, it took more than just a punch to the face to bring out the taser. She had her chance to stop screwing around. Come on....where do you draw the line here?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BigJ
Most off-duty police officers that do security work will be in uniform.

in the police uniform? i find that odd.

If they're working in somewhere like a neighborhood they'll be in uniform so that they'll be easily recognizable and just their presence can have an effect on keeping the nuttiness down. If they're working bar security or something similar, they'll be in civies.

Again, it depends completely on the agreement with the police and what the state mandates. Depending on permits, laws, agreements, etc. police officers may be allowed to work security at bars/clubs in full uniform.

 

[NuroMancer]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: NuroMancer

Originally posted by: Canai

The off-duty officer was working a part-time job, patrolling Trotter's Ridge subdivision near Snellville

NOT on his way home. Using police equipment for his other job. He had no right to arrest her, other than to hold her until an on-duty officer arrived at the scene.

edit: at least as far as I know. I don't think off-duty officers can arrest you, can they?

Yes they can,

and it sounds like paid duty to me, in which cause he has full permission to use his "police equipment" and arrest/ticket you.

Then wouldn't they refer to him as an 'on-duty' officer?

No beacuse it gets them around the 40 hour work week / union bullshit.

They are used in Bar's, Construction sites, etc.

They have their handcuffs, cars, shotguns, computers, tazer, etc.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: NuroMancer

Originally posted by: Canai

The off-duty officer was working a part-time job, patrolling Trotter's Ridge subdivision near Snellville

NOT on his way home. Using police equipment for his other job. He had no right to arrest her, other than to hold her until an on-duty officer arrived at the scene.

edit: at least as far as I know. I don't think off-duty officers can arrest you, can they?

Yes they can,

and it sounds like paid duty to me, in which cause he has full permission to use his "police equipment" and arrest/ticket you.

Then wouldn't they refer to him as an 'on-duty' officer?

Not if its a sensationalist reporter. And he is technically "off-duty" from his regular job, just working a side job. Its that gray area of on and off, but the same powers apply. Like I said before...I think its more the wording of a sensationalist reporter than anything else.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: brxndxn
She was walking away from the cop.. The cop originally yelled at her to stop cursing..

WTF.. It's a free country. Fucking curse if you want to. Cops don't get to stop you. There's no law that says you have to be nice around kids.

Now.. I don't think that cursing around kids is a good idea.. And, I think maybe the cop had good intentions. But, it is her goddamn fucking right to curse all goddamn day if she pleases.

She did not need to be tased. I'm sick of cops that believe they are the law.

And.. 'disorderly conduct' WTF is that? It's your right to be disorderly just as long as you are not infringing on other peoples' rights.

There's no 'right to not hear curse words.' Otherwise, I want my 'right to not hear Spanish.'

I don't think hearing a different language is comparable to hearing cussing.

From Georgia's Disorderly Conduct law:

(2) Without provocation, uses obscene and vulgar or
1-30 profane language in the presence of or by telephone to a
1-31 person under the age of 14 years which threatens an
1-32 immediate breach of the peace;

Seems to me what she was doing could be considered a misdemeanor.

hmm, good to know. that changes things, but not too much. for me at least.

The cop yelled at her for cursing, but he cuffed and tased her for trying to PUNCH him. In other words, for being an absolute and total moron. Seriously, you have to be brain-damaged to take a swing at a cop who's about to give you at most a lecture, and expect to get away with it. Stupidity like that should be punished, it's a law of nature. You don't poke a grizzly with a stick and expect it not to rip your face off.

Cops yell at people for all sorts of trivial offenses. Leaning against a car. Cursing. Jaywalking. Even if it's meaningless, the obvious course of action is to say "sorry sir", let them go away, and then finish crossing the street if you absolutely insist on it. Of course, that's only obvious if you're NOT A RETARD.

Originally posted by: Canai
Am I the only one who found it strange that an off-duty cop had a patrol car, handcuffs, and a taser on him?

Probably driving home after his shift. Happens all the time.

Also, most emergency personnel going off-duty will respond as they see fit to a situation that they come upon. Off-duty EMTs don't drive by accidents, and off-duty firefighters don't ignore fires.

first bold:
she stopped, and turned to leave. he stopped her. even tho she didnt say sorry, she did attempt to leave and be done with it. of course, nothing was said about whether she continued swearing as she walked away...

second bold:
he was "working a part-time job, patrolling Trotter's Ridge subdivision near Snellville", not on his way home. he was making some side cash. lots of cops do this regularly. not too odd to me

for the record, i dont really have any issues about her being punished for her choices to both swing a fist at the officer or her throwing a tantrum and getting tased. my whole issue is with how this cop approached and turned this into the situation it is now. he handled it very poorly, and even tho he didnt really use excessive force, he could have easily (as easily as the girl) kept this to a dull roar and not happening at all.

to the guy who said 14 yr olds can be dangerous even without weapons... my 14 yr old nephew i 6'2" and 180 lbs. he has a history of violence and has been both brought home by the po-po or fighting in public as well as being suspended from school for it (yes, he is a troublemaker... working on it already, but hes not my kid...). knowing he is capable of fighting multiple foes that are older and sometimes bigger than him, i still dont fear for my life at all. we still spar and stuff, he has yet to even take me down. i can still take him down to a fetal position in a few seconds, its become a game to see if he can take me. i cant kick cops asses, so im sure they have little fear of me, let alone a 14 yr old unarmed girl

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.


Say you're walking down the street, and a guy tells you to stop (doing whatever). You, of course, refuse. He proceeds to grab you, and cuff you. He doesn't have a badge, uniform, or radio. WTF are you going to do? Just let some random guy do whatever he wants with you?

The story doesn't give details about whether or not he flashed a badge or what he was wearing so this is all speculation.

In any case, what would you rather have the cop do? He has a duty to preserve the peace and sees this girl clearly disrupting it. So he took action. Fine, he grabbed her arm. We don't know how or why exactly. This story doesn't tell us. It does tell us this:

The officer warned her to stop or he would use a Taser to subdue her, but the girl kept struggling and punching the back of the patrol car with her fists, Spellman said.

"The officer stated she was extremely combative and he was unable to get her into the patrol car," Spellman said. "After several attempts to urge the girl to comply verbally, the officer tased her."

Basically, it took more than just a punch to the face to bring out the taser. She had her chance to stop screwing around. Come on....where do you draw the line here?

Eh, back when I was that age, a cop wouldn't just verbally ask and then taser if you didn't comply. He'd grab you and toss your ass in teh back of the car.

So from verbal warnings straight to tasing. Sounds fair to me :roll:

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist
first bold:
she stopped, and turned to leave. he stopped her. even tho she didnt say sorry, she did attempt to leave and be done with it. of course, nothing was said about whether she continued swearing as she walked away...

second bold:
he was "working a part-time job, patrolling Trotter's Ridge subdivision near Snellville", not on his way home. he was making some side cash. lots of cops do this regularly. not too odd to me

for the record, i dont really have any issues about her being punished for her choices to both swing a fist at the officer or her throwing a tantrum and getting tased. my whole issue is with how this cop approached and turned this into the situation it is now. he handled it very poorly, and even tho he didnt really use excessive force, he could have easily (as easily as the girl) kept this to a dull roar and not happening at all.

to the guy who said 14 yr olds can be dangerous even without weapons... my 14 yr old nephew i 6'2" and 180 lbs. he has a history of violence and has been both brought home by the po-po or fighting in public as well as being suspended from school for it (yes, he is a troublemaker... working on it already, but hes not my kid...). knowing he is capable of fighting multiple foes that are older and sometimes bigger than him, i still dont fear for my life at all. we still spar and stuff, he has yet to even take me down. i can still take him down to a fetal position in a few seconds, its become a game to see if he can take me. i cant kick cops asses, so im sure they have little fear of me, let alone a 14 yr old unarmed girl

i agree the cop is mainly to blame for blowing this out of perportion. it seems silly over some curse words.


just because you know one 14 yr old that is big and you can take on. does not mean you can all.

i know a few 14 yr olds that most cops are going to have trouble with and they are a Lot smaller then the kid you listed.

i have seen some 14 yr old kids that are small that can take down a officer. many of my friends growing up could come close i would bet.

But we started wrestling at 6 and martial arts not soon after (i wrestled from 6-25).

while not the norm i admit. a officer should not have to take the chance.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: manowar821
Wow, another idiot cop.

Because the cop used physical force to subdue her because she was going to punch the cop in the face? She was still fighting in handcuffs, and after being told if she didn't knock it the fuck off, she would be tasered. She didn't, so the officer tased her. And the cop is an idiot? What are you smoking?

You'd have to be pretty stupid to think that a 14 year old would require a tazering, short of her actually having a weapon on her. She presented no danger to the cop, hell, a 14 year old wouldn't present a danger to ME.

The cop is a god damn pussy. Here's what you do to a little girl. Pick her up, PUT HER IN THE BACK SEAT OF THE SQUAD CAR, AND LET HER KICK ALL THE RAGE OUT OF HER SYSTEM IF SHE WANTS.

Jesus christ, it's like a game for you people, isn't it? It's so f-ing funny to see people get tazed for no reason, isn't it? "Don't taze me, bro! Don't taze me, bro! LAWL" (shit, that guy wasn't even kicking, he was just talking) What is wrong with you? Would you also like to see your 7 year old kid get tazed for being unruly? Uh oh, the 7 year old is kicking and screaming, better taze it.

wow you are a fucking idiot. by "kick the rage out of her system" you mean kick the cop in the face? if the kid somehow kicks the cop square in the fucking nose and breaks it what then? what if during the course of trying to "put her in the back seat of the squad car" the kid breaks her fucking arm, would yell at the cop for trying to forcefully put her in the back of the squad car as well?

fuck that shit, if that kid is being a bitch and resisting arrest, taze her ass. if my kid was being a disrespectful punk ass bitch and trying to assault cops, i'd want the cops to taze my kid too. maybe the kid won't be such a retarded mf'er next time.

I think he was referring to how a lot of uncooperative suspects tend to kick the inside of the car after they had been put in it. I think you need to take a chill pill and not freak out so easily

ah yes, but he seems to y'know, be disregarding the act of getting an unruly and obviously aggressive 14 year old kid into the back of a squad car.

but i see your point.

lol ive seen tempe police toss unruly people that looked like ASU footballers in the back of their car without tasing them. sure, it took a couple to do it but this guy had a back up officer present also. what kind of pussy was this cop?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.


Say you're walking down the street, and a guy tells you to stop (doing whatever). You, of course, refuse. He proceeds to grab you, and cuff you. He doesn't have a badge, uniform, or radio. WTF are you going to do? Just let some random guy do whatever he wants with you?

The story doesn't give details about whether or not he flashed a badge or what he was wearing so this is all speculation.

In any case, what would you rather have the cop do? He has a duty to preserve the peace and sees this girl clearly disrupting it. So he took action. Fine, he grabbed her arm. We don't know how or why exactly. This story doesn't tell us. It does tell us this:

The officer warned her to stop or he would use a Taser to subdue her, but the girl kept struggling and punching the back of the patrol car with her fists, Spellman said.

"The officer stated she was extremely combative and he was unable to get her into the patrol car," Spellman said. "After several attempts to urge the girl to comply verbally, the officer tased her."

Basically, it took more than just a punch to the face to bring out the taser. She had her chance to stop screwing around. Come on....where do you draw the line here?

Eh, back when I was that age, a cop wouldn't just verbally ask and then taser if you didn't comply. He'd grab you and toss your ass in teh back of the car.

So from verbal warnings straight to tasing. Sounds fair to me :roll:

it did not go from verbal warning to tazer. it went verbal warning her assaulting him then him tazering her.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.


Say you're walking down the street, and a guy tells you to stop (doing whatever). You, of course, refuse. He proceeds to grab you, and cuff you. He doesn't have a badge, uniform, or radio. WTF are you going to do? Just let some random guy do whatever he wants with you?

The story doesn't give details about whether or not he flashed a badge or what he was wearing so this is all speculation.

In any case, what would you rather have the cop do? He has a duty to preserve the peace and sees this girl clearly disrupting it. So he took action. Fine, he grabbed her arm. We don't know how or why exactly. This story doesn't tell us. It does tell us this:

The officer warned her to stop or he would use a Taser to subdue her, but the girl kept struggling and punching the back of the patrol car with her fists, Spellman said.

"The officer stated she was extremely combative and he was unable to get her into the patrol car," Spellman said. "After several attempts to urge the girl to comply verbally, the officer tased her."

Basically, it took more than just a punch to the face to bring out the taser. She had her chance to stop screwing around. Come on....where do you draw the line here?

Eh, back when I was that age, a cop wouldn't just verbally ask and then taser if you didn't comply. He'd grab you and toss your ass in teh back of the car.

So from verbal warnings straight to tasing. Sounds fair to me :roll:

That isn't what happened. Read it again. It did not go straight from verbal communication to the taser.

He told her to stop.
She yelled at him.
He touched her arm.
She punched him in the face.
He tried to restrain her and put her in the patrol car.
She resisted with everything she had including beating the crap out of his cruiser.
He warned her that if she didn't stop then she would get the taser.
She didn't stop.
ZAP!

Come on...

 

[Canai]

I was under the impression she was cuffed and he was trying to get her into the car. At any rate, fuck the police, shoot all the disruptive kids, and ban everything!

I'm going to go play TF2. Join me!

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.


Say you're walking down the street, and a guy tells you to stop (doing whatever). You, of course, refuse. He proceeds to grab you, and cuff you. He doesn't have a badge, uniform, or radio. WTF are you going to do? Just let some random guy do whatever he wants with you?

The story doesn't give details about whether or not he flashed a badge or what he was wearing so this is all speculation.

In any case, what would you rather have the cop do? He has a duty to preserve the peace and sees this girl clearly disrupting it. So he took action. Fine, he grabbed her arm. We don't know how or why exactly. This story doesn't tell us. It does tell us this:

The officer warned her to stop or he would use a Taser to subdue her, but the girl kept struggling and punching the back of the patrol car with her fists, Spellman said.

"The officer stated she was extremely combative and he was unable to get her into the patrol car," Spellman said. "After several attempts to urge the girl to comply verbally, the officer tased her."

Basically, it took more than just a punch to the face to bring out the taser. She had her chance to stop screwing around. Come on....where do you draw the line here?

right about when i tell her to stop and go away, and she turns to leave. oh wait, he stopped her from leaving. the article says she swung at him, not hit him. i think. been too long now that ive read the OP lol.

 

[Xavier434]

I wish I had TF2

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist
right about when i tell her to stop and go away, and she turns to leave. oh wait, he stopped her from leaving. the article says she swung at him, not hit him. i think. been too long now that ive read the OP lol.

It describes it as if she got the hit in on his face. It also describes the whole "stopping her from leaving" as "touching her arm". It's a bit vague. I don't know how exactly it went down, but my best guess is that she did not intend to just walk away and stop being a bitch considering how she reacted from A-Z in this story.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Canai

So just because he was running and had a small artery he died? No. He died because he was tased. Sure, those other bits could have (and probably did) attributed to his death, but if he hadn't been tased, he would still be alive.

So how many people have some sort of physical anomaly that would lead to their death if tased?

Fewer than those who have some sort of physical anomaly that would lead to their death if shot.

No, tasers aren't "perfectly" safe. Which is why cops don't tase people as a matter of course...they only do it when they are running or resisting arrest. If a cop pulls someone over who has a heart condition, and they proceed to jump out of the car and start running, provoking a heart attack, the cop is NOT liable. Even if they would still be alive but for the traffic stop.

It really is astonishingly simple to understand. If you don't want the cops to resort to increasingly painful and risky means to subdue you, DON'T RESIST. Resisting is NEVER smart. Even if the cop is totally abusing his or her authority, your best bet is to comply, then ream them in court. If you resisted, that's a big strike against you in court, even if the officer went above and beyond reasonable force.

Worse, if you resist and have other issues, you could end up dead. It doesn't matter how justified or unjustified your resisting was, once you are dead.

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.

Lots of cops "look like" cops even when they're in civvies. It's just the way they carry themselves.

 

[invidia]

This is way different from that UF guy. This girl's being a little bitch and probably deserved more than a tasing. If my kids had to hear this, I would of backhanded her in the jaw several times with my ring hand.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Wow

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: invidia
This is way different from that UF guy. This girl's being a little bitch and probably deserved more than a tasing. If my kids had to hear this, I would of backhanded her in the jaw several times with my ring hand.

Big man!

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Canai

So just because he was running and had a small artery he died? No. He died because he was tased. Sure, those other bits could have (and probably did) attributed to his death, but if he hadn't been tased, he would still be alive.

So how many people have some sort of physical anomaly that would lead to their death if tased?

Fewer than those who have some sort of physical anomaly that would lead to their death if shot.

No, tasers aren't "perfectly" safe. Which is why cops don't tase people as a matter of course...they only do it when they are running or resisting arrest. If a cop pulls someone over who has a heart condition, and they proceed to jump out of the car and start running, provoking a heart attack, the cop is NOT liable. Even if they would still be alive but for the traffic stop.

It really is astonishingly simple to understand. If you don't want the cops to resort to increasingly painful and risky means to subdue you, DON'T RESIST. Resisting is NEVER smart. Even if the cop is totally abusing his or her authority, your best bet is to comply, then ream them in court. If you resisted, that's a big strike against you in court, even if the officer went above and beyond reasonable force.

Worse, if you resist and have other issues, you could end up dead. It doesn't matter how justified or unjustified your resisting was, once you are dead.

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.

Lots of cops "look like" cops even when they're in civvies. It's just the way they carry themselves.

They seem to be using them more and more as a matter of course. A cuffed 14 year-old girl not getting in the car? sure, let's tase her ass! Some college student at a rally? tase him! Another college student in a computer lab, lets tase him too!

They are doing it more and more. This looks to me like the officer gave the girl a choice, either get in the car, or get tased. Is this an appropriate scenario to use a taser? fuck no! That's what the club officers carry is for!

I'd never advocate resisting arrest, unless the officer in question is plainclothes and won't show their badge or other identification. I think we need more info on this story to continue...

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Canai

So just because he was running and had a small artery he died? No. He died because he was tased. Sure, those other bits could have (and probably did) attributed to his death, but if he hadn't been tased, he would still be alive.

So how many people have some sort of physical anomaly that would lead to their death if tased?

Fewer than those who have some sort of physical anomaly that would lead to their death if shot.

No, tasers aren't "perfectly" safe. Which is why cops don't tase people as a matter of course...they only do it when they are running or resisting arrest. If a cop pulls someone over who has a heart condition, and they proceed to jump out of the car and start running, provoking a heart attack, the cop is NOT liable. Even if they would still be alive but for the traffic stop.

It really is astonishingly simple to understand. If you don't want the cops to resort to increasingly painful and risky means to subdue you, DON'T RESIST. Resisting is NEVER smart. Even if the cop is totally abusing his or her authority, your best bet is to comply, then ream them in court. If you resisted, that's a big strike against you in court, even if the officer went above and beyond reasonable force.

Worse, if you resist and have other issues, you could end up dead. It doesn't matter how justified or unjustified your resisting was, once you are dead.

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.

Lots of cops "look like" cops even when they're in civvies. It's just the way they carry themselves.

They seem to be using them more and more as a matter of course. A cuffed 14 year-old girl not getting in the car? sure, let's tase her ass! Some college student at a rally? tase him! Another college student in a computer lab, lets tase him too!

They are doing it more and more. This looks to me like the officer gave the girl a choice, either get in the car, or get tased. Is this an appropriate scenario to use a taser? fuck no! That's what the club officers carry is for!

are you a fucking idiot?

you would rather them use the club then a tazer? wow.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Canai

So just because he was running and had a small artery he died? No. He died because he was tased. Sure, those other bits could have (and probably did) attributed to his death, but if he hadn't been tased, he would still be alive.

So how many people have some sort of physical anomaly that would lead to their death if tased?

Fewer than those who have some sort of physical anomaly that would lead to their death if shot.

No, tasers aren't "perfectly" safe. Which is why cops don't tase people as a matter of course...they only do it when they are running or resisting arrest. If a cop pulls someone over who has a heart condition, and they proceed to jump out of the car and start running, provoking a heart attack, the cop is NOT liable. Even if they would still be alive but for the traffic stop.

It really is astonishingly simple to understand. If you don't want the cops to resort to increasingly painful and risky means to subdue you, DON'T RESIST. Resisting is NEVER smart. Even if the cop is totally abusing his or her authority, your best bet is to comply, then ream them in court. If you resisted, that's a big strike against you in court, even if the officer went above and beyond reasonable force.

Worse, if you resist and have other issues, you could end up dead. It doesn't matter how justified or unjustified your resisting was, once you are dead.

Originally posted by: Canai
I think everyone keeps missing the point that he was off duty, and hopefully out of uniform (being as how he was off-duty). I'm guessing he didn't look like a cop.

Lots of cops "look like" cops even when they're in civvies. It's just the way they carry themselves.

They seem to be using them more and more as a matter of course. A cuffed 14 year-old girl not getting in the car? sure, let's tase her ass! Some college student at a rally? tase him! Another college student in a computer lab, lets tase him too!

They are doing it more and more. This looks to me like the officer gave the girl a choice, either get in the car, or get tased. Is this an appropriate scenario to use a taser? fuck no! That's what the club officers carry is for!

are you a fucking idiot?

you would rather them use the club then a tazer? wow.

In the scenario of the 14 year-old girl standing outside the patrol car handcuffed, refusing verbal instructions to get into the vehicle, then yes. I would say the next step after verbal instructions would be use of either the hands of the cop, or maybe a few helpful prods of his club.

And yes, for the record, I am a fucking idiot

 

[Dessert Tears]

The article doesn't specify whether the Taser was used in projectile or "Drive Stun" (stun gun) mode.

I think it is likely that the Taser was used in "Drive Stun" mode.

• No mention of ambulance, EMT, or ER. If the Taser is fired, the barbed probes must be removed from the subject.
• No use of the verbs "shot" or "fire".
• Use of verb "stunning", which is more frequently associated with "Drive Stun".
• The relative acceptance of the foster mother.

"Drive Stun" does not disrupt neuromuscular function and has not been linked to any deaths.