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They weren't necessarily bad, final or frankly even interpretable by 90% of the turds occupying Congress. It's dense legalese.

Quite frankly it is obvious you are lacking brain function or are lying out of your ass and lacking in any soul. The draftings were put up on Wikileaks are were shown to have been full of shit just like you.
 

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Just did, turd.

where?

all i see is your opinion.

Much of the business case focuses on concerns that failing to join the TPP will leave Canada out of a major trading block. Yet the reality is that Canada already has free trade agreements with nearly half of the TPP countries, including the U.S., Mexico, Chile, Peru, and South Korea. Moreover, Canada has engaged in free trade agreement negotiations with Japan and Singapore.

then why the hell should canada join?

because it is not about trade dimwit.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/06/why-canadians-have-good-reason-to-be-wary-of-the-tpp/

but what would Michael Geist know.
 
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Quite frankly it is obvious you are lacking brain function or are lying out of your ass and lacking in any soul. The draftings were put up on Wikileaks are were shown to have been full of shit just like you.

Thanks for this worthless drivel, I laughed.
 

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where?

all i see is your opinion.

No, it's documented fact that these ISDS cases are not historically successful. There are more of them recently, as obviously we trade a lot more now than 30 years ago, but their success rate is almost nil.

then why the hell should canada join?

because it is not about trade dimwit.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/06/why-canadians-have-good-reason-to-be-wary-of-the-tpp/

but what would Michael Geist know.

Yikes, you don't even know what you're linking to.
 

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No, it's documented fact that these ISDS cases are not historically successful. There are more of them recently, as obviously we trade a lot more now than 30 years ago, but their success rate is almost nil.



Yikes, you don't even know what you're linking to.


wow troll...wow.
 

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Yikes, you don't even know what you're linking to.

Keep trolling you douchebag who is nothing but full of shit.

Michael Allen Geist (born 11 July 1968) is a Canadian academic, and the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-Commerce Law at the University of Ottawa. Geist was educated at the University of Western Ontario where he received his Bachelors of Laws before going on to get his Masters of Laws at both Osgoode Hall Law School and Cambridge University. After that, he attended Columbia Law School where he got his Doctorate in Law.

His weekly columns on new technology and its legal ramifications appear in the Vancouver Sun, Toronto Star and the Ottawa Citizen. He served on Canada's National Task Force on Spam and is the founder of the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. Geist is active on many boards, including the CANARIE Board of Directors, the CanLII Board of Directors, the Privacy Commissioner of Canada's Expert Advisory Board, the Electronic Frontier Foundation Advisory Board, and on the Information Program Sub-Board of the Open Society Institute. He was also a board member of the Canadian Internet Registration Authority, which manages the dot.ca domain, for six years.

Geist was named one of Canada’s Top 40 Under 40 in 2002. In 2010, he was listed globally as one of the top fifty influential people in regards to intellectual property by Managing Intellectual Property.
 

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so i ask again.

why would canada join a trade agreement with countries we have trade agreements with already?

I don't know, I don't claim to be a trade expert, nor do I blindly take the word of those not involved in the negotiations.

And it's well known trade deals aren't just about traditional trade items like tariffs; that's the whole reason ISDS has existed since the 60's.
 

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Over the past 25 years, under the 50 agreements the U.S. has which include ISDS, the United States has faced only 17 ISDS cases, 13 of which were brought to conclusion. During that same time period, the United States government was sued in U.S. courts hundreds of thousands of times – more than 1,000 of those for alleged “takings”.

Though the U.S. government regularly loses cases in domestic court, we have never once lost an ISDS case and, in a number of instances, panels have awarded the United States attorneys’ fees after the United States successfully defended frivolous or otherwise non-meritorious claims. The U.S. federal government defends challenges to U.S. state or local government measures in ISDS disputes.

So please, just stop the derping long enough to see what's actually in the bill.
 

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I don't know, I don't claim to be a trade expert, nor do I blindly take the word of those not involved in the negotiations.

So you are here doing nothing but telling us we are wrong on everything but then you do not even know anything about what you are talking about yet speaking with such authority?

Seems the only one who is weak is you.
 

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there is no debate.

there are exactly ZERO pros to the tpp and many many cons.

please though provide us with some more trolling.

it's quite humorous.

Huh? How is opening up trade and reducing tariffs with more large countries not a pro for free trade? Streamlining IP and copyright? Are you mentally deranged? Put the cup of rage down, son.
 

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you said it yourself isds doesn't work most of the time.

but with the tpp in place it gives it more teeth and can undermine state and federal governments.

thereby making a corporation, as i said a sovereign nation.
 

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So you are here doing nothing but telling us we are wrong on everything but then you do not even know anything about what you are talking about yet speaking with such authority?

Seems the only one who is weak is you.

You're confused; I'm telling you your assumptions without evidence are wrong. I'm linking you facts straight from the patent USTR. The reality that these are inconvenient to your way of thinking is your problem, though definitely entertaining watching you turds squirm.
 

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Huh? How is opening up trade and reducing tariffs with more large countries not a pro for free trade? Streamlining IP and copyright? Are you mentally deranged? Put the cup of rage down, son.


free trade with other countries in canada is already open.

what is it you are not getting?

streamlining ip and copyright worked SOOO well in the states.

do you remember the protect mickey act?
 

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you said it yourself isds doesn't work most of the time.

but with the tpp in place it gives it more teeth and can undermine state and federal governments.

thereby making a corporation, as i said a sovereign nation.

No, that is your layman interpretation, it is not a fact that ISDS will get enough additional teeth in TPP to "undermine state and federal gov'ts". Like I said, there's no proof in the language since it hasn't been released (nope, not Wikileaks, stupid) and you'd also have to be dumb as shit to think modern day conservatives in the House would pass a bill undermining US sovereignty.
 

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free trade with other countries in canada is already open.

what is it you are not getting?

streamlining ip and copyright worked SOOO well in the states.

do you remember the protect mickey act?

Do you not speak English natively? You're replying to my posts but you're not actually addressing what you're quoting. FYI.
 

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and you'd also have to be dumb as shit to think modern day conservatives in the House would pass a bill undermining US sovereignty.

Bullshit. Everyone knows Republicans and Democrats would never give a fuck.
 

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No, that is your layman interpretation, it is not a fact that ISDS will get enough additional teeth in TPP to "undermine state and federal gov'ts". Like I said, there's no proof in the language since it hasn't been released (nope, not Wikileaks, stupid) and you'd also have to be dumb as shit to think modern day conservatives in the House would pass a bill undermining US sovereignty.

do i think politicians are stupid?

fuck yeah i do.

do i think dressing something up will help it go down better?

fuck yeah i do.

and this is where we started.

the tpp is NOT about trade.

it is pretending to be a trade deal when in fact is is not even close.
 

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do i think politicians are stupid?

fuck yeah i do.

do i think dressing something up will help it go down better?

fuck yeah i do.

and this is where we started.

the tpp is NOT about trade.

it is pretending to be a trade deal when in fact is is not even close.

Trade deals aren't 100% about tariffs and traditional "trade", as your layman worldview would have you believe. They're also about complex financial laws, IP, etc. Welcome to 50 years ago. This surprises no one well informed. The fact that it scares you is your problem.
 

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do i think politicians are stupid?

fuck yeah i do.

do i think dressing something up will help it go down better?

fuck yeah i do.

and this is where we started.

the tpp is NOT about trade.

it is pretending to be a trade deal when in fact is is not even close.

Btw, don't wimp out of addressing the overwhelming failure of ISDS to undermine state/federal gov't sovereignty. Oh TPP is going to make this happen? Link and quote the exact language then, turd. Don't pussy out.
 

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Trade deals aren't 100% about tariffs and traditional "trade", as your layman worldview would have you believe. They're also about complex financial laws, IP, etc. Welcome to 50 years ago. This surprises no one well informed. The fact that it scares you is your problem.

And complex financial laws are what we already knew that they were going to be about in the FTA.